As a tank, what should I know/do to make it easier on Healer?

You're simply making excuses again.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

- You can't cast SSII once they pull

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There's more than enough distance from one pack to another to pull off an instant Stoneskin II. If not just use Stoneskin on just the tank. Easya s that

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

- You can't cast SSII if they are chain pulling.

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If by chain pulling you mean pulling one pack shortly before the previous pack dies, stoneskin will hardly matter. It'll just cause needless delay.
If you meant mass pulling, it involves pulling from start to end or midway. Either way, there's time to apply stoneskin between/after the pull.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

- There is no need for the tank to be impatient and take off the second the duty starts after viewing a cutscene.

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There's no need to make the tank - or rather, the entire party - wait for you either.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

- And there is no reason for the Tank to start the boss room without waiting for SSII, The healer doesn't even need to waste SC if the tank will just wait 6 seconds.

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There's no reason to wait for Stoneskin II either before starting the boss room. It's not like they'll instantly die from the first hit with stoneskin.


There's a thing called "helping the healer" and "pampering the healer". Proper uses of CDs and tagging mobs would help the healer. Purposely doing wasteful activities, specifically waiting between each pull, is simply pampering.

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Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

There's a thing called "helping the healer" and "pampering the healer". Proper uses of CDs and tagging mobs would help the healer. Purposely doing wasteful activities, specifically waiting between each pull, is simply pampering.

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Did you read the first post in this thread? Did you read it even after I reposted it? The OP asked how they as a Tank could make the healer's job less stressful. What you are suggesting is just the opposite.

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Originally Posted by Endeleon

So I am pretty new to this game(and it's my first MMO), so I don't know very much about the different limitations of the classes. But that's not what I'm going to ask here.

I just wonder what you, as healer, like to see from tanks that make it easier on you and in your opinion make a run go smoothly? I don't really know what to expect, what to wait for, what things I may be doing unconsciously that make you silently sit in a rage. xD I try at any opportunity to not piss people off so it'd be really cool to know what to avoid or what you like to see from a tank.

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Which is, wait for buffs before doing anything. That should be common sense. Don't be in a rush, that just makes more mistakes.

If waiting an extra 2 seconds at the start of a dungeon is such a huge waste of time for you that you feel the need to go and berate other people on the official forums, then I don't know what to tell you.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Did you read the first post in this thread? Did you read it even after I reposted it? The OP asked how they as a Tank could make the healer's job less stressful. What you are suggesting is just the opposite.

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I did, actually. The OP also mentioned this:

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Originally Posted by Endeleon

I try at any opportunity to not piss people off so it'd be really cool to know what to avoid or what you like to see from a tank.

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Now what would piss people off more? Pampering the healer and stalling between each pull for a good 6 seconds. Or keep the flow and the healer can deal with the situation just as easily? As I mentioned before: There's a difference between being helpful and pampering. I'm simply not recommending to pamper the healer for the reason I mentioned before. Whatever useful advice that's actually helpful for the more competent healers have already been mentioned. It's even on the first page:

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Originally Posted by Tranquil

- Actually use your resources proactively. This might sound stupid to you, but many people just 'get by' and won't rotate their cooldowns as necessary. The same kind of guys never seem to plan ahead and try to minmax in general.

- On the previous note: distribute your cooldowns evenly between bigger pulls instead of stacking them on one pull and having nothing on the next one. You obviously need to use your own judgment here, but if you're doing sets of big pulls, it can be possible you're overkilling it on the first pull and underkilling on the next one. Makes a healer lose a lot DPS in simply having to keep the tank up. (Unless very overgeared).

- Tag NPCs properly with some skill with an enmity modifier. A shield lob/Tomahawk for singular mobs, or then running by and Flashing as you go past them. Again, for bigger pulls, healers sometimes wanna cast once or twice mid-pull whilst headed towards the designated pull-ending-place; simply running past mobs and not generating sufficient hate on them will suck, as mobs will run free if someone does anything to net aggro (buffing themselves, casting E4E, a fairy using Embrace on you, never mind manually casted heals by the healer). Simply running by mobs will put you on top of the enmity list by 1 point, but all and any actual actions will make people surpass this number, hence the mobs can be lost mid-pull and them yoyoing can destroy the whole pull, which is why you need to be considerate of this while pulling big.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Stuff and things.

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This conversation is inane.

You have this habit of making odd or outright incorrect statements and then trying to provide context after being challenged. In this case your statement about Swiftcast not having an effect on movement doesn't make sense no matter how you spin it. Even if given the most generous reading of "Swiftcast doesn't affect the pacing of dungeon runs specifically in regards to when and how you use SS II", it still doesn't work. Again, what stops you from running with the tank as you SC? Even if mobs are still alive, all you really need is to land single-target SS on the tank.

As I was writing earlier about SC and SSII I was picturing when I did that last which was earlier that day, in one of the HM dungeons like Sunken Temple or something, and after each boss or pull, the tank would run off, but there's more than enough time to do both spells while running and hit him, since most of the time the melee DPS have lost it as well. It doesn't always hit everyone but usually by the time you get to the next pull and actually have a need for SC (which is usually fairly rare) it's cooled down by then.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

You have this habit of making odd or outright incorrect statements and then trying to provide context after being challenged.

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Yet you and Lyrica have this obsession with trying to find a fault with me that nobody else does. Nobody else seems to require further context. That just makes you look like a bully.

Quit derailing the thread.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Yet you and Lyrica have this obsession with trying to find a fault with me that nobody else does. Nobody else seems to require further context. That just makes you look like a bully.

Quit derailing the thread.

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This isn't derailment; this is in direct response to a line of discussion you participated in. You said something strange ("Swiftcast doesn't affect movement"), I challenged it, and you responded with a lengthy post that didn't really answer anything at all. Even now you appear to be deflecting attention to comments directed at you as a poster rather than the gameplay issues that were the main topic.

It's also not about finding fault with you but finding fault with some of the things you communicate. You seem to feel picked on, but consider that you also post in many current threads, so one can't help but see your comments. Lyrica and I are far from the only ones to take note and provide, shall we say, alternative opinions when you make statements that are arguably incorrect or misleading. In fact, I'd say that we look downright patient in our responses compared to those you get from certain other posters around here.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

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"Trying to find a fault in you"? "A bully"? I call slander right here.

If you posted information about the way you live, what you eat daily and what friends you seek. Then we could find faults in you - As you are implying. However, you're posting random information that has no proper substance, sources, logic or benefits. This could be considered misinformation and you can expect an appropriate response to it. However, your way of response to said response is hardly appropriate. "You're bullying", "you're trying to find faults", "you're derailing". I recognise this as an attempt to find faults in others and their arguments which you cannot best with whatever claims you are making. If anything, you have initiated the derailing of this topic. I am responding in defense to your slander.

If you want to avoid people questioning your statements, get your facts right and use them to support whatever you want to say. Then no one would question you if the information is actually correct or at least logical on paper.

:( I'm sorry guys but can you stop? I'm sure there are cases where it's necessary to wait and some where it'd be better to keep moving with the flow, just takes a bit of situational understanding to know when. There is no reason to attack each other like this.

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Originally Posted by Endeleon

:( I'm sorry guys but can you stop? I'm sure there are cases where it's necessary to wait and some where it'd be better to keep moving with the flow, just takes a bit of situational understanding to know when. There is no reason to attack each other like this.

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I can't speak for others, but I'm sorry that your question thread had to evolve into an argument/debate. :( /soothe

The best advice I can offer is to just keep your eyes open and be aware of your surroundings. Some newer healers may panic if an ADD jumps on them before you see it/get to it, instead of bringing it to you, etc - so just being aware of surroundings to either intercept that or just being aware that the healer is getting smacked around (really, I somewhat feel melee DPS should OT and grab the monster off the healer and bring to the tank, in some instances - but maybe that's just me... just wearing more defensive gear/skills and all. I usually do when I go on MNK/DRG/BRD and toss some defensive CDs/Bind when I pull hate off the healer).
I've had plenty of instances where tanks seem kind of oblivious - even while I'm practically standing on top of them with stuff chewing on me. :\ Absolute worst for that is in the chaos of the CT series of raids... healers being eaten alive while tanks are busy fighting over MT. x.x

Other advice I have is to try playing a healer a little - you'll pick up on things you see and experience and, having tanking experiences already, put two and two together.... by dealing with other tanks and seeing what they do that you like and don't like while you're healing (and then apply the experiences to your own tanking). Seeing from the perspective of the healer. :D You don't have to go full on 50 if thats not what you want to be doing/don't like it, but a few dungeons will sometimes help. It did for me, when I picked up GLD and later, WAR @_@ (I main WHM, so I tend to be over-protective... and try to be as helpful as possible to healers, when I jump on my WAR alt...)

I'm pretty sure people mentioned those things already, but... x.x Thats my two sense ^^;

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Originally Posted by Endeleon

:( I'm sorry guys but can you stop? I'm sure there are cases where it's necessary to wait and some where it'd be better to keep moving with the flow, just takes a bit of situational understanding to know when. There is no reason to attack each other like this.

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Welcome to the healer forums... unfortunately.

In game as well, you'll meet both good and bad/mean. When you do run into them... Try not to let the latter weigh on you too much. And thanks for taking up tanking when so many don't.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

And thanks for taking up tanking when so many don\\'t.

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This ^ /10char z.z

Best advice I have is:

If you pull a group and lose enmity on a mob or two, do your best to get them back. I've run into a few tanks who don't pay attention to this. The healer or DPS who pulled hate from you should bring it back to you, some won't, and they're really annoying for both the healer and tank (you probably ran into a similar problem before, I really hate when people run away with a mob when I'm tanking haha).

Use your cooldowns wisely. You don't NEED to know the fights as others said ("watch a video first"... bah). Since you're a Paladin you have great damage mitigation skills, try to always keep at least one defensive cooldown available to use, especially if you end up popping most of them early on in a fight. Stagger them out. Even the not so great ones are very helpful to the healer, any mitigation helps immensely.

And if you do know a fight pretty well, having cross class abilities like Stoneskin (lvl 34 CNJ) are immensely helpful. If you're main tanking say Titan HM, you can pop stoneskin on yourself before he hits you with mountain buster. Or if you're off tanking you can cast it on the main tank. It's a great skill to have (not necessary to get it, but recommended by healers :P it helps us a ton).