Windows 10

Yeah i just updated it I only got those extra updates left and I checked the list and none of them mentions anything with windows 10

There seems to be some confusion here. This what Microsoft Solution Providers are being told today:
1. If you have a registered version of windows 7, 8, 8.1 then you will qualify for a free upgrade/migration to the appropriate windows 10 version for the first year of release. After this period a user will have to buy a retail copy to upgrade. (note: Vista was not listed and we have not received and answer about if it is under the umbrella, XP clearly is NOT.)
2. If you have an unregistered version and you upgrade then you will have a watermark on the desktop until your copy of windows becomes a registered version.
3. Support for the life of the computer: If you have bought your PC from a company like Dell or HP then you have an OEM version of Windows that is tied directly to that computer. This means that if you build a new computer you can NOT take the copy of Windows from the old pre-built computer and use it on your new computer. If you have a self built computer with a registered copy of Windows then you can moved that license to the new computer (you might have to call MS in this case).
4. There will not be any sort of charge for updates to the OS, nor will there be advertising.

Currently I can tell you that on Insider Preview build 10130 is running Final Fantasy on:
Desktop: core i7, 8gb ram and a NVidia 750 video
laptop: HP probook 4730s
Lenovo Yoga 2 Thinkpad

In all three cases the game client has been stable with no crashes save when MS decided to push new build (go figure)

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Originally Posted by Haibel

No point in holding off, it works great, been running it for nearly a nine months. Every little update has added something new and it's shaping up to be great.
when it's releases it will be ready for prime time. I can't wait for it to roll out so I can start deploying it at work to shut up the win 8 complaints.

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Like I said. I just don't trust them right now. I'm going to be very cautious moving forward.

I appreciate that it looks like they're trying to listen to their customers. But after 8, the phone (Which I am still stuck with), and the initial XBONE plans, I'm extremely wary of what they're doing.

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Originally Posted by Lokisama

I haven't gotten the prompt to reserve my windows 10 yet I'm running windows 7 with SP1 and my windows updates are on, I wonder if the European countries get it later (Finland here)

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Being from Finland myself, everyone I know of and I got the prompt this morning. It will just quitely sit next to your clock.

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Originally Posted by Saccharin

Most money from the windows division comes from people buying new PCs (OEMs) and businesses who run the enterprise version which doesn't get the free upgrade. Very little comes from upgrade editions.

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In enterprise deployments like I run, we pay for usage licenses. the version doesn't matter. While it's not free, we already paid for it each year. we can freely change to whatever version we want at anytime.

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Originally Posted by Zplinter

Vista was not listed and we have not received and answer about if it is under the umbrella

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It's not. Only Windows 7 and 8.1 customers are eligble (customers with 8 need to upgrade to the free 8.1 first)

Source: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-faq

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Originally Posted by Zplinter

If you have a self built computer with a registered copy of Windows then you can moved that license to the new computer

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Not necessarily and I personally want to lean more towards probably not. It depends what version of Windows they bought when they built their computer. I obviously can't speak for everyone else, but I personally believe most people building their computers will have actually bought the OEM version of Windows (as they're cheaper than retail!) but it's then tied to that specific hardware, not moveable to something else.

If someone built their computer and bought/used a retail version of Windows on it then yes I agree it can be moved, but if they bought and used the OEM version then it doesn't matter if they built it themselves or not, the licence is tied to that machine.

idk about you guys but have you seen the movie Kingsman... never take free things like this.. it feels like a set up lol

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Originally Posted by worldofneil

It's not. Only Windows 7 and 8.1 customers are eligble (customers with 8 need to upgrade to the free 8.1 first)

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I was typing verbatim from a document sent to the company. Technically since the upgrade path of 8 to 8.1 to 10 is all free the statement the gave us is accurate.
We had a small business that we support ask about Vista (trust me I would love to get them off of Vista) to Windows 10. That is why included that bit.

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Originally Posted by worldofneil

Not necessarily and I personally want to lean more towards probably not. It depends what version of Windows they bought when they built If someone built their computer and bought/used a retail version of Windows on it then yes I agree it can be moved, but if they bought and used the OEM version then it doesn't matter if they built it themselves or not, the licence is tied to that machine.

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You are very correct IF you are using an OEM copy that is not moveable period. I was mostly speaking to the members of our community that have bought pre-built computers, that my not be aware that the OS is tied to the computer. Especially in the vague "life of the computer" term used by MS. I should have been clearer on that for the more technically inclined.

Thank you for catching that.

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Originally Posted by silverhope

idk about you guys but have you seen the movie Kingsman... never take free things like this.. it feels like a set up lol

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The PC market is in decline, while tablets and phones are on the rise. Making money from OS sales is not a viable long term strategy.

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Originally Posted by Delily

Life of the device is from the manufacturer's perspective, not yours. If your PC broke, and you fixed it, clearly you could use the original license you had. If you had to buy a new PC, you'd probably get Windows 10 preloaded and the license fee would be included in the cost. This is more like iOS and iPhone versions. Since iOS8 only works on the 4S and higher, anything 4 and below is end of life.

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Or you build a new machine and reuse the existing license.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Like I said. I just don't trust them right now. I'm going to be very cautious moving forward.

I appreciate that it looks like they're trying to listen to their customers. But after 8, the phone (Which I am still stuck with), and the initial XBONE plans, I'm extremely wary of what they're doing.

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1. I use Win 8. It works fine.
2. The issue with WinPhone is its lack of apps which is caused by its lack of marketshare which is caused by its lack of apps. It's a vicious cycle; it's not really the OS's fault.
3. Xbox and Windows are part of separate teams at Microsoft. That's like blaming Yoshi-P for Final Fantasy XIII.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

Or you build a new machine and reuse the existing license.

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If it is an OEM copy you can not transfer it, OEM versions (cheaper) are tied to the original machine they were installed on.

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Originally Posted by Fortified

1. I use Win 8. It works fine.
2. The issue with WinPhone is its lack of apps which is caused by its lack of marketshare which is caused by its lack of apps. It's a vicious cycle; it's not really the OS's fault.
3. Xbox and Windows are part of separate teams at Microsoft. That's like blaming Yoshi-P for Final Fantasy XIII.

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1. I've had to use Windows 8 at work often. It works fine. But the interface is an ugly nightmare as far as I'm concerned. Requiring more swapping between keyboard and clicking. Pointlessly obscuring basic interface principles. Those garish squares. Not my cup of tea, as it is more of a poison to my already strained patience.
2. I plainly don't care. And judging by the trash that is on the store (emulators, broken apps, charging for ripoffs), neither do they. Not to mention all the constant crashes when I use it.
3. It had to have been approved at one point by the company higherups. Which is why I'm still wary of the company as a whole

I'm waiting. Not decrying. Not denouncing. Waiting.

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Originally Posted by Zplinter

If it is an OEM copy you can not transfer it, OEM versions (cheaper) are tied to the original machine they were installed on.

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If you built your own machine and used OEM on it that's your own fault.

I upgraded to the 10 insider preview yesterday and other than forgetting to back up my gearsets and hotbars (d'oh) XIV has been running great.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

i have a slightly off-topic question...
The heck happened to Windows 9?

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I thought there was originally going to be windows 9 and 10. 9 was going to be free for all users with windows 7 and 8, and 10 was going to have a subscription model for some reason. However, they threw out the subscription idea, eliminated windows 9, and the free offering was changed to be windows 10 for all 7 and 8 users.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

If you built your own machine and used OEM on it that's your own fault.

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You will got no argument from me. Just needed make the point as there are a lot out there that do not "get" why the oem is cheaper.

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Originally Posted by Averax

I thought there was originally going to be windows 9 and 10. 9 was going to be free for all users with windows 7 and 8, and 10 was going to have a subscription model for some reason. However, they threw out the subscription idea, eliminated windows 9, and the free offering was changed to be windows 10 for all 7 and 8 users.

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Probably because of the windows 8 reception. At release it lacked some basic features, and a lot of incompatibilities. Still has quite a few problems.Lol at not being able to shut down the computer without first logging off.
Also the interface is really awkward to use. It should never have been released as a pc version imo.


Considering all that im not surprised people want to wait and see first, with windows 10.