Coul...Could we have a Role-play forum?

nay for role-play

If you don't like the idea of roleplaying, just avoid that part of the forum.
It's as simple as that.


+1 for a roleplaying forum.
I would personally enjoy reading other people's stories.

I do actively use the Lodestone blogs already, but having something on the forums would be a nice addition.

The unfortunate thing about the Lodestone blogs is that not everyone will see it, versus a forum where there will be post that everyone can see.

I'd say inb4 crapstorm, but I'm clearly in after.

I think FFXIV should re-invent itself as a purely role playing game . Like where you had to roleplay to play. That would be epic.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

I think FFXIV should re-invent itself as a purely role playing game . Like where you had to roleplay to play. That would be epic.

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I know that sounds crazy, but FFXIV acutally possibly probably does have a better chance at being some kind of social simulator/ virtual world instead of an "MMO" in the typical sense.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Yes but there not in Beta stage they still fixing and asking players for info on the game. Maybe when the game goes p2p and PS3 release you would see offtopic forums.

I think one of the reason they give was they did not want to have so many GM working on the offtopic forums making sure they following the rules atm when they only trying to focus on the game. They want everyone on the forums to stay on topic about info about game that was the main goal of Forums at least what isee for now.

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technically the forums were specifically given to us because SE was ridiculed by the entire public as well as other game companies for not having them. they didnt even want to add forums for FFXIV at first but people were astounded they were still not going to add them.
i remember reading developers talk about other games lacking basic features such as forums and that they felt they had the upper hand because they were closer to their costumers than "a company or two we all know".

SE has always held the notion that forums should be left up to fansites and to be rest assured their people are watching them.

so i guess my point is that the forums may have a specific purpose but if there are threads about pictures of ourselves and fan art and the likes all of which do nothing for actual game development, then it wouldnt hurt for a role play thread.
just fyi, i do not role play.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

technically the forums were specifically given to us because SE was ridiculed by the entire public as well as other game companies for not having them. they didnt even want to add forums for FFXIV at first but people were astounded they were still not going to add them.
i remember reading developers talk about other games lacking basic features such as forums and that they felt they had the upper hand because they were closer to their costumers than "a company or two we all know".

SE has always held the notion that forums should be left up to fansites and to be rest assured their people are watching them.

so i guess my point is that the forums may have a specific purpose but if there are threads about pictures of ourselves and fan art and the likes all of which do nothing for actual game development, then it wouldnt hurt for a role play thread.
just fyi, i do not role play.

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I can care less if they add it :) more power to the people just saying what i know what SE have post.

True i think the forums was a bad idea getting to much info form the players is bad but not getting anything is bad also :( but for me if feel that most of the game is becoming what players what in some from.

I hope a dev post on monday maybe they can add the forums sometime this week.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

I think FFXIV should re-invent itself as a purely role playing game . Like where you had to roleplay to play. That would be epic.

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lol, I'd be for that. :x

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

I know that sounds crazy, but FFXIV acutally possibly probably does have a better chance at being some kind of social simulator/ virtual world instead of an "MMO" in the typical sense.

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That was kinda Tanaka's idea...the whole sandbox thing.

Actually there is already an 'mmo' out there that's designed more for roleplay purposes and doesn't focus as much on the normal battling/crafting/end-game that other mmo's do (though it does still have them in there)

It's called Mabinogi

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

Actually there is already an 'mmo' out there that's designed more for roleplay purposes and doesn't focus as much on the normal battling/crafting/end-game that other mmo's do (though it does still have them in there)

It's called Mabinogi

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Good point. And a lot of the things Mabinogi did right, I saw in Final Fantasy XIV. .. 'Course they're also the things the new Dev' team are chewing on with abandon (seriously, I've seen high praise given to the same decisions by critics and players alike that simultaneously got called stupid over here, like flexible role definitions and gear having a limited (but still important) influence on stats beside skills. I can only think FF XIV didn't go far enough either way and got stuck in the mediocre middle ground).

Still, Mabi is definitely a wonderful game, with some of the best instance vs open-world balancing I've ever seen. The people who made it obviously cared desperately about the world and characters they were presenting (an entire element of its custom-built Pleione engine is dedicated to making one particularly important character memorable) and enabling people to have characters, rather than 'toons', not to mention they obviously knew a lot about The Mabinogion itself.

Mabinogi however, has two unfortunate drawbacks, neither all that reconcilable:

1. From a roleplay perspective, it suffers a bit from Special Snowflake Syndrome. It justifies game mechanics by having all player characters be Milletians - immortal travelers of the Soul Stream. It makes playing a character a tad awkward having to fit into that frame, and led to Mabi's roleplay community becoming fractured over who is a Milletian or what groups allow characters to be Milletian, or whether it's okay to roleplay a 'normal'... Not to mention the 'what's the point of it all?' issues arise from being outright told your character's never in any real danger.
   
   Not to mention the reincarnation system, while brilliant fun, is a right sod to roleplay around.
   
   
2. Mabinogi's battle system is pretty close to true realtime, relying heavily on timing and not having latency issues - it was built to operate over a landmass the size of Japan and can just about cover a continent at a stretch. While great fun, it's really sensitive to lag. Thus there's an NA version, a European version, Korean, Japanese.. and massive latency problems aside there are regional IP blocks operating and Nexon work unusually hard to block proxies and VPN tunnels. We can't play with our international friends. For us Europeans, it's even worse: it took several years to take it into the EU market, so now it's a 'new old game' with all the playerbase issues that entails.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Don't most other official websites to other mmos have a forum and one of them is usually a Role-play thread?

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You know i kinda like this idea also.. and Yes most game DO have a RP forum.

Most games roleplay forums also game flamed by people who don't like roleplay.

Well at least Mabinogi 2 will be coming out "soon" and probably has better graphics/animations than FFXIV anyway.

it amazes me that there are people who play video games with no emphasis on action. this mobi game sounds absolutely terrible to me. deep lore and amazing action should go hand in hand to me.
then again im also surprised there isnt a scientific study about people who actually enjoy crafting.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

it amazes me that there are people who play video games with no emphasis on action. this mobi game sounds absolutely terrible to me. deep lore and amazing action should go hand in hand to me.
then again im also surprised there isnt a scientific study about people who actually enjoy crafting.

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Please have a second look at the Mabinogi-related posts, Dreadnaught, you've obviously failed to comprehend them. Mabinogi uses a timing-and-response-based battle system, it's more action-based than Final Fantasy XIV. It was just one of the first MMO's to realise that people might have far more fun if MMO-games focused on the journey, not the end, and gave them a means to get more fun out of the battles themselves, and enjoy the parts of the game didn't involve beating things up, like composing and performing music.

Here, combat video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1KMp-bXqAs

Still, anyone that insults people for enjoying a particular concept of any game, be it crafting or composition or roleplay or combat, is just.. that's something amazes me. It's honestly beyond my comprehension and a bit disturbing how anyone can believe that someone who enjoys different things to those that they enjoy is somehow intrinsically wrong.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

it amazes me that there are people who play video games with no emphasis on action. this mobi game sounds absolutely terrible to me. deep lore and amazing action should go hand in hand to me.
then again im also surprised there isnt a scientific study about people who actually enjoy crafting.

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Some of the most popular game genres in Japan at the moment are anime dating simulators. No action, no lewd pictures, just a game with an enormous plotline that you sort of sit through and make choices.

Sounds dumb, but incredibly relaxing, sort of like an audio-visual book with interactive content.

Then there was The Sims, Lemmings, Bejewelled, along with a huge variety of point & click puzzle games.

Games don't need to feature action as a strong-point in order to be good, they just need to be fun.

Sometimes the intensity of a synthesis being reduced to only 5 durability, there's 1% left and an unstable fire elemental. your next attempt at synthesis will determine if you go up a rank or not. You use standard synthesis, your attempt was successfull, completing the item and only losing 4 durability.
Happens more often than you'd think, even crafting can be exciting sometimes to some degree.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

it amazes me that there are people who play video games with no emphasis on action. this mobi game sounds absolutely terrible to me. deep lore and amazing action should go hand in hand to me.
then again im also surprised there isnt a scientific study about people who actually enjoy crafting.

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Mabinogi has better combat than FFXIV, in my opinion. Well, for the starter levels at least.

This is a demonstration of the upcoming Mabinogi 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU2zS6bvCYo

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

Actually there is already an 'mmo' out there that's designed more for roleplay purposes and doesn't focus as much on the normal battling/crafting/end-game that other mmo's do (though it does still have them in there)

It's called Mabinogi

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I guess I roleplay in FFXIV.
I didn't really start out to do so. I just play as "me"... but have come to identify quite closely with my Eorzean self.

What probably pushed me in this direction are the amazing character models, textures, animation, functional design, realistic lighting and other visual effects... and the overall believability of the design of Eorzea. I guess that would be visual "immersion".

Question for more experienced gamers and roleplayers:
Do graphics play a big part in your ability to enjoy the roleplaying side of a game?

Mabinogi is very cartoonish and immediately strikes me as "a game" ... compared with FFXIV which immediately impressed me as a living, breathing "fantasy world".

Just curious. ^^

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

Mabinogi has better combat than FFXIV, in my opinion. Well, for the starter levels at least.

This is a demonstration of the upcoming Mabinogi 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU2zS6bvCYo

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wow, the graphics don't intersect! (I hear it's supposed to have vindictus's gameplay which is a big plus to me)

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Originally Posted by Mikita

Question for more experienced gamers and roleplayers:
Do graphics play a big part in your ability to enjoy the roleplaying side of a game?

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Hmm...

Yes and no.

They certainly don't enable me to roleplay - one of my primary RP haunts is the MU* scene - the old talker systems that MMO's grew from and can't do any better than ASCII art and Pueblo image links. However, I will certainly admit that graphics can injure my ability to roleplay, if they're somehow offensive or incongruous .. and really nice graphics such as Final Fantasy XIV's do help a little.

I've never seen so perfect a rendition of Forra, I was actually a little shocked at how well it captured him .. seeing Forra right there almost exactly as I imagined him really does help, I admit.