[dev1134] Guildleve Revisions

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Originally Posted by Seif

I have mixed feelings about this. On the other hand I'm glad that they're removing part of this artificial gameplay restriction but then again I thought they wanted to make this game be about something other than just leves.

Maybe next year when they've done the major revisions to broken gameplay systems the future direction of XIV will be more clear when they can focus on new content and we'll see what kind of content that will be.

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how can improvements be viewed as bad? its sad very sad. You should leave and come back next year...

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

one thing i would have to wonder is say for example is i am wanting to work on miner and i had built up like 20 points would be the way the points add up. for example, could i go run the treespeak leves and run back and grab those same leves over again 10 times and use all 20 points built up on the same leves over and over?

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Yes, I think so

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The Adventurers’ Guild will update its list of leves when you complete (or fail) a levequest, or when an additional allowance is issued.

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Originally Posted by DNO

how can improvements be viewed as bad? its sad very sad. You should leave and come back next year...

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because this specific improvement, is only an improvement in the eyes of the beholder
not everyone will like the loss of 4 leves every 36 hours in order to "stock up" on them

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Originally Posted by DNO

how can improvements be viewed as bad? its sad very sad. You should leave and come back next year...

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because what you consider as an improvement others that are leveling multiple classes can look at it as 4 less chances every 36 hours for additional chances at getting leves or guild marks.

Current:
36 hours = 16 leves (8 locals and 8 battles (+DoL and fractions))
1 hour = 0,44 leves
48 hours = 16 leves


1.19:
12 hours = 4 allowance points (to get a new leve or to reset a failed leve cost 1 point)
1 hour = 0,33 points
48 hours = 16 points

I don't see a problem

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Originally Posted by Felis

Current:
36 hours = 16 leves (8 locals and 8 battles (+DoL and fractions))
1 hour = 0,44 leves
48 hours = 16 leves

1.19:
12 hours = 4 allowance points (to get a new leve or to reset a failed leve cost 1 point)
1 hour = 0,33 points
48 hours = 16 leves

I don't see a problem

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your 48 hour math is off

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Originally Posted by Felis

Current:
36 hours = 16 leves (8 locals and 8 battles (+DoL and fractions))
1 hour = 0,44 leves
48 hours = 16 leves

1.19:
12 hours = 4 allowance points (to get a new leve or to reset a failed leve cost 1 point)
1 hour = 0,33 points
48 hours = 16 leves

I don't see a problem

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lol of course with that failed math you wouldn't.

current:
36 hours = 16 leves

1.19:
36 hours = 12 leves

It depends what you want to focus on though. You are getting 4 less leves overall but are being allowed to focus even more on any specific thing. Don't forget the battle changes that will most likely be making enemy grinding more rewarding and this system is tailored specifically for those with less time on their hands, who benefit immensely. I'm also willing to give up those extra leves to be able to marathon them 2 days a week, personally. I see the point on guild marks but those come easily enough as it is nowadays and I'd easily take this more flexible system anyway.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Current:
36 hours = 16 leves (8 locals and 8 battles (+DoL and fractions))
1 hour = 0,44 leves
48 hours = 16 leves


1.19:
12 hours = 4 allowance points (to get a new leve or to reset a failed leve cost 1 point)
1 hour = 0,33 points
48 hours = 16 points

I don't see a problem

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Well with the current it depends on what 48 hour span you're talking about. If you're talking about two consecutive reset days, that's 32 leves. If you're talking about a reset day and a day with no reset, that's 16 leves.

yeah, I see now what you mean
I have a little logic error in my math /swt

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Originally Posted by Estellios

It depends what you want to focus on though. You are getting 4 less leves overall but are being allowed to focus even more on any specific thing. Don't forget the battle changes that will most likely be making enemy grinding more rewarding and this system is tailored specifically for those with less time on their hands, who benefit immensely. I'm also willing to give up those extra leves to be able to marathon them 2 days a week, personally. I see the point on guild marks but those come easily enough as it is nowadays and I'd easily take this more flexible system anyway.

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oh i agree with you there. i was just showing why the people that aren't happy with it have been stating in the ls chats all morning why they do not like them. for them it's less leves which would mean less chances at guild marks over the same period of time. i have most all abilities and have nowhere near as much need for marks, but i can see the drawbacks others have.

As I've said elsewhere, I really like this system for a number of reasons. However, I do see one problem I would like the devs to keep in mind.

If my math is right, DoL leves are going to give, percentage-wise, far too much SP per leve. Right now you can only get 6 (good) DoL leves per 36 hours, which is a reasonable balance of SP for that timeframe. However, if you can really get 12 DoL leves per 36 hours, ranking up (which is already insanely powerful with DoL leves) is just going to be absurd.

Hopefully there is some balance that can be struck.

Does gathering fatigue affect guildleves? If it does that would be some kind of limiter.

Having them level quickly might influence more people to level them up, though.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

That's pretty bad ass. Leves as they should have been.

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Nah only partly right.. this with keep the leves the way they where orginally and amp the sp accordingly for solo players.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

um currently we have 8+8 every 36hours, next patch we'll have 12 every 36hours. Only lose 4 leves, but in exchange you can get more SP/36hour if you are focused into one class.

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no you wont you will still only be able to do 8 within a 36 hour period, and now you will no longer be able to do 8 local leves on top of that.

though I like the collecting them up to 99 part

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Does gathering fatigue affect guildleves? If it does that would be some kind of limiter.

Having them level quickly might influence more people to level them up, though.

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it doesnt, your fatigue free during leves

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Originally Posted by Krausus

no you wont you will still only be able to do 8 within a 36 hour period, and now you will no longer be able to do 8 local leves on top of that.

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go read it again, you obviously didnt read the update right

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

go read it again, you obviously didnt read the update right

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• Players will receive an allowance of four leves every 12 hours (Earth time), up to maximum of 99.
• The allowance will be shared amongst regional, local, and faction leves.

do the math you cant do more then 8 in a 36 hour period, just because you can pick up four more on the 36th hour doesn't mean you can do them within that 36 hours.

Bullet 2 leads me to believe that all leves will share the 4 max between them

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Originally Posted by Krausus

• Players will receive an allowance of four leves every 12 hours (Earth time), up to maximum of 99.
• The allowance will be shared amongst regional, local, and faction leves.

do the math you cant do more then 8 in a 36 hour period, just because you can pick up four more on the 36th hour doesn't mean you can do them within that 36 hours.

Bullet 2 leads me to believe that all leves will share the 4 max between them

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your math is still off

you should also count hour 0 as the starter and you get 4 at that point

so you basicaly can do 4 within each 12 hour period, not 4 after each 12 hours has passed is a more accurate way of looking at it


cuz obviously, using your way of thinking, you could do 0 per 36 hours under the current way it works

since from hour 0-36 you cant do any leves, but you earn 16 after 36 hours you can do, but the 36 hours are up so they dont count(hence why you have to count hour 0)

doh yeah your right =P my bad

Reading too much into something so simple. The reset timer will probably moved to JP midnight, every JP night you get 4 leves, simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

Reading too much into something so simple. The reset timer will probably moved to JP midnight, every JP night you get 4 leves, simple as that.

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and every jp noon, dont forget about that

What? You don't have to wait 12 hours before getting those first 4 leves.
Hour 0 - 4 leves,
hour 12 - 4 leves,
hour 24 - 4 leves

ETA: Seems that Vedis got there first.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

• Players will receive an allowance of four leves every 12 hours (Earth time), up to maximum of 99.
• The allowance will be shared amongst regional, local, and faction leves.

do the math you cant do more then 8 in a 36 hour period, just because you can pick up four more on the 36th hour doesn't mean you can do them within that 36 hours.

Bullet 2 leads me to believe that all leves will share the 4 max between them

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4 per 12 hours. 36/12 = 3. 3 X 4 = 12

4 leves per reset (12 hours). 3 resets per 36 hours. 12 leves per 36 hours. You can pick up 12 leves every 36 hours, no one's counting the time it takes to do them since they store up to 99.

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Originally Posted by AlexNiculaie

What? You don't have to wait 12 hours before getting those first 4 leves.
Hour 0 - 4 leves,
hour 12 - 4 leves,
hour 24 - 4 leves

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Never stated at patch notes but we'll know when patch hits, we're just speculating.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

4 per 12 hours. 36/12 = 3. 3 X 4 = 12

4 leves per reset (12 hours). 3 resets per 36 hours. 12 leves per 36 hours.

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yes this has been established

They could have given me one leve a day and I would still be happy that I no longer have to battle to keep up with the leve cycle.. It seems like i never get to do anything else because all my time is dedicated to getting my leves done. Don't get me wrong it's still fun, but I'd like to get a grind party or something once and a while.

Very needed change on Leves. having the leve reset timer on the back of your mind just because you dont want to miss it is very tedious. Hopefully they go with the JP midnight and noon timer for allowance, although it doesnt really matter with what time zone they go since they stack up ;p

But coming weekends players wanting to level up DoL classes will have a field day xD

I like that it's being shortened to twelve hours to get a fresh set of leves. Hopefully they add some more variety to the leves so you don't end up with the same ones every time.
Not so thrilled about it being shared between all types of leves, though.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

@Darkstar that's how its going to work, you can run the leves as many times as you want. Basically we're giving up some leve variety for more flexibility in how we can choose to run them. I for one am planning to focus a bit more on crafting and gathering leves since I can set aside a day to do just those without much restraint.

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But what's to stop me taking that one rank 50 crafting leve and doing it repeatedly 50 times? lol. I suppose there's still the risk the leve could respawn as its 40 version...

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Finally, no more (lamely self-applied) pressure to try and do leves every 36h, fearing to lose easy optimal sp. Perfect system for average playtime players and casuals.

Really good decision from Yoshida and his team.

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I always liked to do mine on a 72 hour clock and do 32 at once. I'd collect all leves from one cycle and then after they reset again I'd have two sets of leves to do. It saved a tonne of anima since I could just return and stay in the same region for longer.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

it doesnt, your fatigue free during leves

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You're partially right. The fatigue doesn't affect your leve but your allowance still ticks down. Try doing 16 gathering leves in a row and then seeing how much normal gathering you can do afterwards. This is why you should always do your leves after your day's gathering.

Looking forward to the day I spam 99 rank 40 fishing leves at rank 35. But I figure DoL leves will be nerfed by then. They're already too powerful.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

They could have given me one leve a day and I would still be happy that I no longer have to battle to keep up with the leve cycle.. It seems like i never get to do anything else because all my time is dedicated to getting my leves done. Don't get me wrong it's still fun, but I'd like to get a grind party or something once and a while.

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Eventually you'll just be battling to keep under 100 lol.

this change is pure WIN in my eyes. The reason why is it is such a complete victory for both the hard core grinder, as well as the weekend warrior. The weekend warrior can do all their accumulated leves on the weekend. The hardcore grinder has a more constand income of leves from which to choose. Additionally the whole 8 locals and 8 battle/field leves restriction has been done away with.

Keep in mind two we will have Grand Company leves to do as well. So those who think that our leve production has dropped, don't forget the Company leves

Dev, where are thou? Maybe have to wait till after weekend for a clear up.

The patch notes need serious revisions to ensure people dont get confused, its not good for the typical who just view them, think wrong and say "Meh wait for 1.20".

Examples show deeply how it works (before/after), etc.

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Originally Posted by Bigglesworth

Keep in mind two we will have Grand Company leves to do as well. So those who think that our leve production has dropped, don't forget the Company leves

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I'm hoping these aren't about getting SP. More like factions in that the reward is defeating something big and getting items. Wouldn't surprise me if the Ifrit battle is a leve.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

I'm hoping these aren't about getting SP. More like factions in that the reward is defeating something big and getting items. Wouldn't surprise me if the Ifrit battle is a leve.

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I'm thinking they will be both SP as well as company notes. Everything else quest/leve related has SP rewards attached to it, so I don't think the company leves will be any different.

And yes I hope Ifrit battle is a leve, with a different story for each company.

I hope the completion reward is upped for more solo play because right now its complete trash, 100 xp a mob then 700 for a completion at horizon is horrible.

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Originally Posted by viion

I hope the completion reward is upped for more solo play because right now its complete trash, 100 xp a mob then 700 for a completion at horizon is horrible.

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???? That's strange, I usually get around 2000 sp when I complete a leve at horizon.

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

???? That's strange, I usually get around 2000 sp when I complete a leve at horizon.

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Guardian Aspect has a big effect on completion SP

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Originally Posted by Bigglesworth

Guardian Aspect has a big effect on completion SP

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Ah I see. Thanks.