When/Why were you vote kicked?

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Originally Posted by Bfmusashi

Aw, did someone point out it was a dick move and it hurt your wee feelings? Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's right or justified to do it. It not only makes you selfish, but it means you need to look up the definition of selfish.

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So is everyone then obligated to examine the gear of the entire group before starting a dungeon in order to determine loot priorities? No thanks. If a player is in need of an upgrade that the content provides, they should feel compelled to express it rather than assume everyone else will just pass it off to them. Raging about it after the fact doesn't change the fact that the loot system works to prioritize gear needs based on class/job, and that's the only restriction. Otherwise, everyone has an equal right to roll on any loot they choose regardless of their reasons for needing it. That's not selfish, it's how the game is designed and works as intended. Stop being a victim.

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

So is everyone then obligated to examine the gear of the entire group before starting a dungeon in order to determine loot priorities? No thanks. If a player is in need of an upgrade that the content provides, they should feel compelled to express it rather than assume everyone else will just pass it off to them. Raging about it after the fact doesn't change the fact that the loot system works to prioritize gear needs based on class/job, and that's the only restriction. Otherwise, everyone has an equal right to roll on any loot they choose regardless of their reasons for needing it. That's not selfish, it's how the game is designed and works as intended. Stop being a victim.

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You're trying so hard to deflect responsibility and vocabulary while pretending other people are playing the victim. Adotes!

I think it was demonstrably not okay at the time since it resulted in a boot. And, yes, that is a valid reason to role, as it allows you to roll, but that doesn't make it right or justified. Just because a game allows you to play a certain way does not mean it is moral or just to do so. I personally think it's a dick move for the following reasons"
1. Relative Scarcity- getting a drop for a specific class is a pain. Seals are so ubiquitous you literally can not walk out of a sanctuary without a ready opportunity to gain them. Arguing you "need" that drop for seals is disingenuous.
(divided because 1000 characters it the limit)

2. Relative Need- one party does not need the drop to alter their interaction with most of the game's moving parts. Even if we assume the seals are going to manuals that is only an expedient and not something that alters the player's experience beyond shortening the grind. Should the drop be obtained by the party that could treat it as an upgrade their interaction with the game is improved. They are made a little better at the game.* The person using it for seals is not.
3. Opportunity is not Justification- Just because you can doesn't mean it's okay to do it.
4. It's Easily Avoidable- When you go into a duty there are, at most, four other people that can need on drops with you. You can probably tell from a quick glance at their hp who has lower gear. If you want to confirm it's a click away.

Now, if dudes want to be selfish, by all means, go ahead. But it's childish to pretend everyone else is going to be okay with that when they're already sharing time with you. Complaining because one put their needs in front of others and they didn't agree that that was justified is something one's supposed to have grown out of by the age of 7.

*This is not to say player skill is unimportant, but you can't do much with i50 no matter how good you are. You simply will not survive the room wide attacks.

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Originally Posted by Bfmusashi

Now, if dudes want to be selfish, by all means, go ahead.

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And yet the ironic thing here is that you're claiming people who need on things for reasons other than ilevel are selfish. Yet, in the same thread you are insinuating you are more entitled to an item than someone else is just because you feel you need it more than they do. Which, in and of itself, is completely selfish.

I'm sorry, but if I run older dungeons all day long for desynth items (as I did all day this past weekend), I'm just as entitled to roll on them as anyone else in the party. Because in turn, desynthing items improves my character by improving a skill I have which coincides with my crafting classes. Other people may need them for seals because their working on their Zodiac, which again, is to improve their character.

Examining gears is useless. I am a desynthetizer, GSM WVR and LTH. Looking at my gear would give you no indication of that, yet I need them badly.

Unhappy ? Run the dungeon again, dozens of times a day, just like we do.

Back when i110 or i90 was BiS(idr) ran a PF PUG Garuda Ex as OT. Partyleader DRG eats a slipstream from chirada while I'm still mid-process of positioning her at the south end of the board (tornados haven't spawned yet).

DPS check fail causes wipe, we back out,

I'm kicked.

I wish them best of luck. I jumped into an instant DF queue pop (perks of being a tank) clear after to get the taste out of my mouth.

--to the topic above, kicking someone over dungeon loot is silly. drama llama. If it were a loot-and-leave or ninja-lot in a farm party for raids/trials, that's another story. But dungeons.. whaat

Once again I feel the need/greed definitions elude many people. I can't be the only one out there who examines people who use the same gear type to see which pieces they need at the start of a run and if neither of us need for upgrade, greed, unless it is a piece that I am running that dungeon specifically for so I can glamour (took 11 runs of t5 before I got tank helm to glamour). Because seals =/= need and if I get it I get it at that point and if not hopefully someone upgrades their off classes and uses it.

I guess consideration for other people is a trait non existent in MMOs of today.

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Originally Posted by Bfmusashi

Aw, did someone point out it was a dick move and it hurt your wee feelings? Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's right or justified to do it. It not only makes you selfish, but it means you need to look up the definition of selfish.

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I have no problem passing on gear if someone notifies me that they need it. I usually always wait a while to roll anyway, just in case someone says anything.

You're saying that I'm selfish if I don't examine the gear of everyone in an instance prior to rolling. I think that's insane. I am not a selfish person or a selfish player. You can disagree with that all you'd like, but the people that matter to me would never describe me as selfish. So, I'm fine.

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Originally Posted by Gorlioliolio

I guess consideration for other people is a trait non existent in MMOs of today.

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Exactly, that's why i gave up not needing for stuff when i can. Im working on 2 zodiac still and 4 more lucis tools so i need many many seals for cores and moonstones. And hell will freeze over before im going to give it away to a random ill never see again if i don't have to. No, i do not need the gear, but i need what i can get out of it. Easy fix: f you need it, enter the dungeon on that class and need yourself.


/edit: total Topic derail btw

Last week i was kicked because i did not help the dps on the spears on 1st boss in WP HM - i laughed so hard, they couldnt even down one before the next was spawned xD

I'm not going to bother to reply in that sarcastic excuse for a thread, but let's try one more time before giving up here.

I'll take any game where you can sell gear you loot from a dungeon to a vendor as an example.

If someone in your group needed a piece of gear and you did not but could get 3-4g at a vendor to add to the 25000 you already have, would you still need it?

If your answer is yes, you are a hopeless piece of internet trash who doesn't deserve to be playing a multiplayer game because trolling people is your idea of a good time instead of killing mobs, making friends, and having a good time along the way, there is plenty of hatred in here for trolls already so just refer to that as there is no more reason to waste my time on you replying to this stupid topic.

If you answered no, how is that any different than GC seals? The glamour argument I get, and if you are hunting for a certain set of gear for looks that is up to you, it would be nice if you passed it to someone who would wear it but no big deal, but GC seals are so damn easy to come by that all you are doing by needing that piece of gear is screwing someone over to make your life slightly, ever so slightly easier.

On something not gear related! Just today I got kicked for using LB 1 on a mob, despite A.) It being easy to get back to full LB 1 before the final boss since we weren't even at the second boss yet...depending on the dungeon I would have used it on the second boss (not always: Not really enough time to bring it back from Halitali's second boss for example), but it was Copperbell, where LB isn't exactly effective till you get the slimes down to its smallest forms. Mostly just find it funny right now, so if one of you is reading this for some reason, I ain't even mad. :p

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Originally Posted by Gorlioliolio

But GC seals are so damn easy to come by that all you are doing by needing that piece of gear is screwing someone over to make your life slightly, ever so slightly easier.

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Easy to come by? Try again if you are at a stage where you don't have to fate grind for anything because you are done. The most GC i get per day are from Drops i got from dungeons and i need 160.000-196.000 per lucis tool and still have to do 4 completely.

Take off your pink glasses, not everyone plays the same way and i will definitly not put down the speed of my progression behind those of totally random people i dont give a wet fart about. They made due until this point without it, they will make due after it. Im not gonna cry because someone needs on gear for seals so i await the same from others. If you want it, get in with that class, if you want complete fair distribution, go with a group of friends where you can talk who gets what and if people should pass after they got something.

Besides that - i guess im glad to be internet trash then, at least i reached the goals i set for myself before 3.0 hit

It happened, I got kicked.. oh well.

I was in Ifrit NM for my roulette. The tank DCs so we all wait because it happens. He then pulls with Provoke and just stands there, auto-attacking. Doesn't move from the beginning area. Healer just stands there too, getting hit with all attacks.

Needless to say I pull aggro and end up tanking. We didn't clear the nail in time and wipe. I ask him if he knows what to do (nothing else leveled, barely synced, maybe he really didn't know? I've seen it happen) but he just ignores me and is very rude. We kick him.

He comes back obviously, because tank insta-queue. We wait for him to pull because, maybe he's having a bad day. Whatever. He just stands there. After about five minutes, we kick him again because he won't pull. Comes back again, of course.

He then starts a votekick to kick the other DPS, which goes through (????) At this point I guessed the healer and tank were partied together, which just makes me wonder why you would let your friend troll....the healer didn't seem that troll-y. At this point I have party leader status and I ask him if he's going to continue to troll before I start looking for a new player. He doesn't ever give me a direct answer. Fine, I wait a while then look for a new DPS (why didn't I leave? I was hoping to get my daily roulette bonus since I wasn't feeling well enough for a full dungeon. Oh well.)

Whatever, we get another DPS, same run as before. We wipe. I can't kick again because I already did, but of course as soon as we respawn I get the great message saying I've been dismissed from the duty... whatever.

I feel bad for that other DPS that joined. Wonder how the rest of the run went, actually.

I've only been kicked one time. Was just after t13 got put in df. Got a group with a bad composition and no one wanted to even attempt it (tried to convince them to do some pulls for fun while we waited on abandon timer, but no dice; they preferred standing there afk...).

So people got grumpy and stuff and were complaining about the vote abandon timer. I told em the vote kick timer was shorter so we could just kick a person and then all leave. One guy was like "I thought they had the same timer?" I told him the timers were different and after a few seconds he responds "Oh wow you're right!"

So I'm just sitting there stupidly thinking "how could he have tested that?" and to my shame didn't figure it out until I actually received the dismissed from party message. >.<

I have been kicked several times for varying reasons since 2.0 launch:
1. I have asked to be kicked because of a RL reason that requires my attention.
2. I have been kicked by the AFK timer for a RL reason.
3. I have been kicked because I play on PS4 without a keyboard and "say" very little when asked questions.
4. I have been kicked for poor play, while learning new class roles. (as you can see in my sig; I know most of them now).
5. I have been kicked for simply being new to the dungeon / trial / etc...
6. I have been kicked as tank for pulling too much and causing a wipe.
7. I have been kicked as healer for the tank pulling too much and causing a wipe, blaming the healer, When Benny was used, and 5 seconds later he lost another 12K life and I am spamming Cure II with Presence of Mind already burned.
8. I have been kicked as melee DPS because there too many already in the party.

My one and only time I got kicked was in Sastasha (normal mode)

Yep, the first dungeon you come across.
I was the tank, and two DPS-es who were an Arcanist and an Archer decided they would take it upon themselves to make an olympic sprint to the mobs and pull long before I could ever get there.
I complained that they needed to stop pulling. I didn't have a keyboard at the time, so by the time I finished the in-game keyboard message, they were already in the next room dead on the floor.

I complained again that they weren't listening to me, and I got kicked.



But I feel good about it. Since frankly no one searches as a single tank for sastasha normal mode, they probably had to vote abandon and quit the dungeon without their tank.

And with a complete lack of knowledge of who pulls, who heals, and who does damage, it's safe to say they won't finish the game either....

Only time I've ever been vote-kicked was as a Bard in WoD; just as we killed a boss, and another alliance said their tank had to brb, I set myself to follow a teammate as we ran to the next boss and said "brb 30 secs" to throw some food down for my kitty...came back maybe 45secs later, and just as I sat down, they kicked me, lol. I was so sad.

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Originally Posted by cgbspender

Examining gears is useless. I am a desynthetizer, GSM WVR and LTH. Looking at my gear would give you no indication of that, yet I need them badly.

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Or someone could be Needing to use on another class they're leveling. I'm going to Need on the last two pieces of the Infantry set if they drop while I'm running Bray as a DRG because I'm leveling ARC right now and that set will be very useful to me in just a few levels.

Yup, and there are so many other reasons why one could need an item. Glamour gearing, desynth, alt jobs, to spiritbind them, or even just for "fun".
On the other hand, I 'm wearing some i110 HQ pentameld, I could "need" every damn item in WoD and no one would guess I have them all already, in my retainer's inventory.

If you want to lock an item for yourself for whatever reason you like, it's better to ask at the very start of the instance. If you ask politely, there's no reason I will refuse. If I need it too, I'll try to discuss..
" Ok I pass on this, but if this Z item drops next, I'll take it, deal ?"
"Pretty please, need that i120 chest, mine is i45" --> of course I'll pass.

I disapprove votekicking regardless of the situation. The only times I'd votekick is when someone asks for it (for irl emergency), or when someone has been disconnected for at least 5 minutes, or has been extremely insulting toward everybody in the party.

I feel your pain with jp servers (same server).
Had a Toto-rak run once where we missed one of the magitek orb thingys, being the tank I went back to go get it and as we went further back I just got kicked all of a sudden.

I once got kicked out of a Darkhold run leveling ninja for, as far as I can tell, no reason at all. I said hi at the start of the dungeon, they said nothing to me the entire time i was in there and suddenly after the first boss I get booted. Yeah, I don't even know.

I was kicked from tanking an extreme primal fight. We wiped, I was asked if I spoke Japanese, to which I replied no sorry using auto-translate then they kicked me. I guess they wanted to talk tactics but the language barrier makes that too hard? I hadn't done that fight before and could well have caused the wipe, I'm not sure. In retrospect, it would have been wiser of me to do that fight for the first time with guild members to assure English will be understood and I can understand any direction given.

I got a votekick for watching cutscenes in Praeotrium in DF. I told everyone I wanted to watch, followed by groans and mean orders to skip and watch later. I politefully declined and said I wanna watch CS and that I'd be afk from my keyboard while I watch. I guess because they can't proceed past the elevator until I've finished watching, they dismissed me.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

I got a votekick for watching cutscenes in Praeotrium in DF. I told everyone I wanted to watch, followed by groans and mean orders to skip and watch later. I politefully declined and said I wanna watch CS and that I'd be afk from my keyboard while I watch. I guess because they can't proceed past the elevator until I've finished watching, they dismissed me.

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I wouldn't tell people that you are "afk" while cutscenes are playing. It makes it sound as though you are using the cutscene to go afk, meanwhile forcing everyone to wait on you. I'm not saying that was necessarily the case, but it could be perceived that way and result in a vote kick.

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Originally Posted by Gorlioliolio

I'm not going to bother to reply in that sarcastic excuse for a thread, but let's try one more time before giving up here.

I'll take any game where you can sell gear you loot from a dungeon to a vendor as an example.

If someone in your group needed a piece of gear and you did not but could get 3-4g at a vendor to add to the 25000 you already have, would you still need it?

If your answer is yes, you are a hopeless piece of internet trash who doesn't deserve to be playing a multiplayer game because trolling people is your idea of a good time instead of killing mobs, making friends, and having a good time along the way, there is plenty of hatred in here for trolls already so just refer to that as there is no more reason to waste my time on you replying to this stupid topic.

If you answered no, how is that any different than GC seals? The glamour argument I get, and if you are hunting for a certain set of gear for looks that is up to you, it would be nice if you passed it to someone who would wear it but no big deal, but GC seals are so damn easy to come by that all you are doing by needing that piece of gear is screwing someone over to make your life slightly, ever so slightly easier.

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Your logic is pretty flawed. Sure...I'm a decent guy and if somebody says "Hey, I need X" and it's not something I'm actually after for a specific purpose I'll pass. Otherwise, if I can need on it then it's mine. I'm not going to waste my time examining people to try and figure out what they may need from the dungeon. I always have a "need" for the stuff that drops, be it turning in for seals, desynth or selling on my retainer.

At the end of the day I put in my time doing whatever it is that's being accomplished, be it a Primal, a Coil run or just a DF dungeon, I have just as much right to roll on anything that drops in there as anyone else and I'm not going to pitch a fit if somebody rolls need on something for their class or something that is able to be need rolled by anyone in the party.

On topic: I've never been vote kicked.

the only time I think I been kick was in brayflox normal. because I said i was new to the group we did good until the last boss. I really got no clue what to do after of some run i was kick for not knowing the fight.

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Originally Posted by Tyrial

Your logic is pretty flawed.

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Adding on, just because it makes the individual's life easier by needing on an item for GC seals doesn't mean they have to do it. It's just like how practically almost everyone doesn't drop all their spare cash on luxuries they want (and don't need) on every single person in need.

Suck it up and move on. No need to justify and loathe over a something so trivial.

On a side note, I've also have never been vote kicked. I have vote-kicked others though. Each time I've done it was either they were severely under-performing and refused to cooperate and/or they were AFK without notice or reason. I've yet to meet a toxic person, but they would receive a boot from me if I had the chance.

If it makes the OP feel better I've been kicked because I didn't use healer lv3 LB while I was on my summoner.

I kept having to afk sporadically to take care of my daughter during a roulette so the group kicked me. Valid reason but I wish people were more sympathetic.

If you have a daughter who demands alot of your attention, isn't it just right to not play with others? I believe an action affecting others is not considerate.

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Originally Posted by SooChe

If you have a daughter who demands alot of your attention, isn't it just right to not play with others? I believe an action affecting others is not considerate.

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Lucky you for never having to afk for 30 seconds.

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Originally Posted by SooChe

If you have a daughter who demands alot of your attention, isn't it just right to not play with others? I believe an action affecting others is not considerate.

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Lol. Totally a man child who never learned to love anything but their own mother. People have kids and lives, They have families. Sometimes i need to stop to sort a work call to get them to call me back or deal with my kid who fell over and is upset or they had a bad dream etc. Grown ups understand this.

It doesn't happen all the time but when it does it helps to not be in a party with whiny kids and man children who can't think of anything but themselves. A lot of the time I'll stop for a few minutes and end up playing the rest with my kid in my lap because she just wants to be with me for a bit to calm down.

I don't have much to add to this because I've never been vote kicked out of a Dungeon/Raid before in all my time of playing this game since 2.0 launched. I've unfortunately had to kick people though for either trolling, afk'ing, harassment or outright refusing to play the game because they're having a temper tantrum for some reason.

The sad thing is that I've seen a lot of people do these things too. You'd think people would be more mature than that but nope they act like 5 year old children over the dumbest things.

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Originally Posted by SooChe

If you have a daughter who demands alot of your attention, isn't it just right to not play with others? I believe an action affecting others is not considerate.

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You would think that, but when it comes to kids you have to be a master at timing. Take naptime or any magic hour when there's peace..quiet and you've just shoehorned a lego out of your foot, that's your time! You try to get in a run because normally things work out..but every now and then something happens..you hear the pitter patter of feet..silence..the eyes staring at you from behind just to hear a tired voice that says "what are you playing?" which turns into "Can I play?" that goes to "I want to play something else" and..down we go.

Or they can just be in the crib you'll hear the russling about, that will quickly get louder to the point where you know there's a jail break in progress. These are dangerous things! You got to be prepared but sometimes you got to go and take care of things, it might take 30 seconds but normally if most parents are going to take longer they will come back and let us know to either kick or not. People have lives you got to understand that, not everyone has nothing to do.

Or the point where you hear them around the house or nearby then things get quiet..that's when #$%@ gets real..something is being planned and you need to figure it out for everyones safety.

I don't mind waiting for parents with kids, let the dog in, you smell supper getting over cooked..when you have lives that depend on you and you don't eat Bojangles every day sometimes..stuff comes up.

Regardless of reason, whether it be because of children or whatever else, if someone "kept having to afk sporadically" I'm not surprised the party kicked them.
Obviously your child's welfare is going to take priority over some random people on the internet, but remember to them you are also just a random person on the internet.

If I have an afk for a short period, I see it as a challenge to 3 man the dungeon till they get back :) Too long and a kick, but fine when people explain and don't just disappear.

Not my kid not my problem, that's what I say.

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Originally Posted by Disc

Not my kid not my problem, that's what I say.

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I have a horrible story that would set my guarantee my place in the underworld and have that mother from the Baltimore riots travel and beat me senseless, but a lot of people who say that just haven't had the right thing happen yet.

Anywho, a lot of people who afk a lot will be okay with saying replace me if you want. Maybe it's just the patience I have now compared to when I played other games where two minutes made me angry and seemed like 20..but 6 hours just flew by. I think it's a middle ground. You are playing other people so you try to be considerate, but at the same time you should understand there's things going around when the game is turned on. For the most part people are very understanding on both ends, some wait or the ones who need to go say kick if needed and they're okay with that.

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Originally Posted by Carvaka

If I have an afk for a short period, I see it as a challenge to 3 man the dungeon till they get back :) Too long and a kick, but fine when people explain and don't just disappear.

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It's odd, it's usually a tank who afk's or has to for me but I'm a summoner so I can pull out my McNugget pet and try to tank..challenge accepted.