Answers About the Archons

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

I especially wouldn't take that piece of art seriously though, as it was just a big April Fools Joke by the development team back during the Beta Test (when the forums were constantly going on about wanting a new race in the game (this was before the au ra had even been thought of), and because players were constantly requesting the Ivalice games' bangaa and viera races to be added, the development team jokingly fused them to create the vianga race, which that pic was supposedly 'super confidential concept art' of. Except it was a giant piece of humbug on the development team's part. ;)

No doubt the Scions' 'eye' symbol appearing on it was just a means to further the joke in ways only Yoshi and the rest of the development team knows. ;)

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personally i would have preferred if they brought the padjal race (the race of the seedseer's and the leader of the conjurer's guild) rather than the au ra...

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Originally Posted by dragoelete

personally i would have preferred if they brought the padjal race (the race of the seedseer's and the leader of the conjurer's guild) rather than the au ra...

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Thing is Padjal isnt a race. The Elementals personally choose a select few to be Padjals and they are always uncredibly few in number becauae od that. So it wouldnt make sense lore was for them to be a playable race.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

Thing is Padjal isnt a race. The Elementals personally choose a select few to be Padjals and they are always uncredibly few in number becauae od that. So it wouldnt make sense lore was for them to be a playable race.

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then whatever the race is that looks like an elezen/hyur with horns...

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

I have a good question regarding that eye symbol: Why does it look so much like the Yevon symbol fused with a vague outline of Zodiark (the esper)?

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Because Zodiark is the embodiment of our sins, and though we may earn respite through the noble and selfless sacrifice of an Archon who completes the pilgrimage, so long as we continue to sin he can never truly be defeated.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

Because Zodiark is the embodiment of our sins, and though we may earn respite through the noble and selfless sacrifice of an Archon who completes the pilgrimage, so long as we continue to sin he can never truly be defeated.

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we don't know that yet ... for all we know he could rlly be a primal created by the ascians... (would explain the fanatic zealotry to him)

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Originally Posted by dragoelete

we don't know that yet ... for all we know he could rlly be a primal created by the ascians... (would explain the fanatic zealotry to him)

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Ascians know everything about Primal summoning, they wouldn't worship a false a god and would have no trouble creating a Zodiark primal I'm sure, if anything Zodiark is a Warring Divinity / Eikon / True God.

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Originally Posted by dragoelete

then whatever the race is that looks like an elezen/hyur with horns...

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Padjal are Hyur-born and only chosen from specific bloodlines, the Pesi and Senna family being among those. And as Kaiser said, they will never be playable. Your best bet at replicating a Padjal would be to roll a Hyur and pick up some antlers from the next christmas event.

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Originally Posted by dragoelete

personally i would have preferred if they brought the padjal race

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Problem there is that it's irreconcilable with the world-lore as it presently exists. The Padjal are chosen from specific races among specific Gridanian families by the Elementals to act as their intermediaries with the people of the city-state, and as children at that. A Padjali adventurer, even if they took up conjury and white magic, would still leave the Shroud and spend all their time adventuring and playing the game, meaning that an Elemental would never choose them in the first place. SE would have to both radically change their place in the world as well as create customizable models of children belonging only to certain races. People hoping for playable Padjal can probably wistfully give up on that hope.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Problem there is that it's irreconcilable with the world-lore as it presently exists. The Padjal are chosen from specific races among specific Gridanian families by the Elementals to act as their intermediaries with the people of the city-state, and as children at that. A Padjali adventurer, even if they took up conjury and white magic, would still leave the Shroud and spend all their time adventuring and playing the game, meaning that an Elemental would never choose them in the first place. SE would have to both radically change their place in the world as well as create customizable models of children belonging only to certain races. People hoping for playable Padjal can probably wistfully give up on that hope.

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but whats stopping an elemental from outside Gridania from making someone a padjal? i somewhat doubt that elementals only reside in the gridanian forest...

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Originally Posted by dragoelete

but whats stopping an elemental from outside Gridania from making someone a padjal? i somewhat doubt that elementals only reside in the gridanian forest...

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The elementals that exist out side the shroud are even weaker. Theh wernt as strong as the shroud's to begin with so the calamity may have out right destroyed alot of them. If the Shroud's elementals were dangerously weakened I'd hate to think what happened to the ones out side of the shroud.

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Originally Posted by dragoelete

whats stopping an elemental from outside Gridania from making someone a padjal?

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At the moment, the fairy-like Elementals (the ones who appeared to have cognizance, as opposed to sprites) have only been seen in the Black Shroud since the Calamity, and very, vary rarely. Before the Calamity, however, they were sighted across the realm, at times. As far as we know, the Padjal, however, exist only due to the Pact of Gelmorra, made between the proto-Gridanians and the elemental spirits of the Twelveswood. Those forced to live underground after the Sixth Umbral Era (Water) developed the use of conjury to communicate with the Elementals and beseech their forgiveness and permission to once again dwell above the surface. As part of this accord, the Elementals began to make Padjal to act as their intermediaries and the inheritors of white magic. They can bend that last part and give non-padjali-non-Gridanians white magic, but Padjali chosen by the wood are forbidden to use their powers in conflict, and the Elementals outside the wood aren't part of the accord by which Padjal are made.

You'd need to find an Elemental and find convince it to take you seriously while you say, "You know the Pact of Gelmorra? I want to look like that. I don't want to be forced to stay in one place or be forbidden to take place in combat, and what contact we have and whether I'm your intermediary is kind of negotiable, but I just want to look like that." What's a reason that the Elementals outside the Shroud would agree to make you an imposter of their neighbors chosen?

I'm sure it'd be possible to warp the world that hard, but the chances are, at the moment, kind of slim that SE would acquiesce to that request.

Are you forgetting A-Towa-Cant, the wandering padjal? He left the shroud to talk to elementals in every corner of Eorzea. Doesn't sound that different from adventuring when you think about it.

Even if the weaker Elementals outside the shroud tried to communicate with people, the most that can happen is that person will go crazy.

While not crazy, Sylphie's mother was a skilled healer who opted to use her life force since she feared she was hurting the elementals (voices in her head)

A non-Gridanian might take it a step further. With that says, yes it's theoretically possible, but highly doubtful.

If the Elemental in Gridania of all places hate most people, just imagine how weaker elemental outside of the shroud mist feel. If they could kill everyone, they would.

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Originally Posted by Mholito

Are you forgetting A-Towa-Cant, the wandering padjal?

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Not so much forgetting as giving the game the benefit of the doubt. If Padjal who wandered weren't meant to be exceptions, they wouldn't tack that adjective onto his name every time they brought him up. He was an eccentric; and the elementals seem to have willed that he heal the wounds of the land even afar, even if only by not intervening.

To uproot the Padjal from their limitations to the Twelveswood, to Gridania, to the Hyur (and perhaps the Elezen), to the Pact of Gelmorra, to Conjury and White Magic (aside from noteworthy exceptions that enhance the limitations within their lore) ... what's left? They'd be transformed from what they are into simply being another race, and most of what makes them unique would be diluted - and those who exist would have their very character altered by it. Kan-E-Senna being a Padjal would be no more noteworthy than Nanamo being a Lalafell, or Merlwyb being a Roegadyn.

That's what I mean when I say it's possible but unlikely. It would take a pretty big campaign by a whole lot of people with very little resistance for SE to do it, as far as I can tell. I'm sure that it could be done - the second Azure Dragoon is just as unlikely and also gets thrown in with The Champion of Eorzea on the "pretend it's not the case that everyone you meet has this label" pile. But will it be done? Nothing so far says Please look forwad to it.™