The Egi Conundrum: Heavensward and Beyond!

SMN really has hundreds of possibilities to focus on pets and less dots

(this list is just few examples)
- give pets a buff for few time after summoning it or (like previous post) make it stronger and stronger over time and give it a finishing move before sumoning another.
- give smn a spell to change pet (with previous buff). this needs instant cast, very short animation, low mana cost, etc.
- give all pets their own CD
- give pet a bonus on each sumon equal to the ruin we are not casting when summoning.
- give them all same DPS but different utilities.
- create a special summoning spells which do something on hit, like a fire AOE which result in sumoning ifrit.
- give 3 aether stacks when summoning. The more stack we have, the stronger is the pet. Then when we have 0 stack left (cause of fester) change pet to get 3 other stack, 60 sec cd.

Another example of switching mecanic :
Open with Ifrit -> use Enkidle (ifrit hit with a dot) -> switch to Garuda -> use Dot Extend time on B,B2,M,M2,Enkidle

I tried this a day, it's possible to do with swift cast but it doesn't extend the Ifrit's dot from Enkidle.
Since Ruin and Summoning Garuda use both a GCD, it's worth because +15 sec from Enkidle dot is better than a Ruin.

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Originally Posted by Koyuki38

SMN really has hundreds of possibilities to focus on pets and less dots

(this list is just few examples)
- give pets a buff for few time after summoning it or (like previous post) make it stronger and stronger over time and give it a finishing move before sumoning another.
- give smn a spell to change pet (with previous buff). this needs instant cast, very short animation, low mana cost, etc.
- give all pets their own CD
- give pet a bonus on each sumon equal to the ruin we are not casting when summoning.
- give them all same DPS but different utilities.
- create a special summoning spells which do something on hit, like a fire AOE which result in sumoning ifrit.
- give 3 aether stacks when summoning. The more stack we have, the stronger is the pet. Then when we have 0 stack left (cause of fester) change pet to get 3 other stack, 60 sec cd.

Another example of switching mecanic :
Open with Ifrit -> use Enkidle (ifrit hit with a dot) -> switch to Garuda -> use Dot Extend time on B,B2,M,M2,Enkidle

I tried this a day, it's possible to do with swift cast but it doesn't extend the Ifrit's dot from Enkidle.
Since Ruin and Summoning Garuda use both a GCD, it's worth because +15 sec from Enkidle dot is better than a Ruin.

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All those ideas sound pretty good also. Though personally I prefer the buff stack idea still, only because it provides something for everyone. So for those who are seeking a specific thing to be changed or added to SMN will be provided that through this idea in some way. Like for me I really want to see a larger focus on Egi and to have larger Egi. This idea provides that in a way that will not deter those who want something different for SMN (which this idea also caters to) So in many ways it's the perfect compromise of the many different ideas that people want for SMN.

I'm sure whatever SE has planned for the future of SMN and the Egi it will be good though. But I was farming Ramuh for light yesterday, and thought the size of the Grey Arbiters would be perfect for the Egi! They are larger but not to a degree where they are blocking other players views. It also seems pretty clear the Grey Arbiters will be the same model used for the Ramuh Egi, just glowing purple instead. Although in the new benchmark for Heavensward, towards the end it looks like Ifrit has had a noticable size increase.

Though honestly, I think one of the reasons we keep asking for a change in SMN/Egi is simply just because we have became so used to it at level 50 and therefore became complacent/bored with the current Egi/abilities. I have faith Heavenward will alleviate this. I know once I unlock the first new Egi I'll have a new sense of vigor about trying it out and unlocking the others! That will be my top priority for Heavensward. I'm really looking forward to the new Austerities trials to unlock the Egi also, though I wonder where each one will take place. I assume the Austerities of Ice for the Shiva Egi will take place in Coerthas, but what about the others?

i just really hope one of our new summons has an AoE obey attack, something that can be spammed (at a low potency of course). also, while i'm at it, wouldn't it be nice if titan had provoke? ;/ could swiftcast him for an emergency off-tank or resummon him if he died.

Garuda Egi can fill the role of AoE spammer pet

I'd like to see the new Egis be brought into play not through Summon IV, V, etc; but with a Transpose like swapping action that'd turn Ifrit into Leviathan, Titan into Shiva, etc.

I'd like to see the job-quest give SMN a signature direct-damage spell. Doesn't need to be OP, just something SCH can't spam as well :)

I think the SMN community has definitely got SE's attention, so very hopeful for the future. I wonder if they intend it to be a rehaul as big as WAR's in 2.0/2.1

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Originally Posted by Dohati

i just really hope one of our new summons has an AoE obey attack, something that can be spammed (at a low potency of course). also, while i'm at it, wouldn't it be nice if titan had provoke? ;/ could swiftcast him for an emergency off-tank or resummon him if he died.

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It would be nice if Titan got a slight rework. A SMN with full ILVL130 gear will have a Titan with way over 12k HP and is capable of tanking certain dungeons/fights (as I have done, it's a challenge but very doable) But with some higher DEF and a provoke move Titan could actually be a decent Tank/OT in general.

Enkidu-egi
Not the egi we need, but the egi we deserve
http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/image...0px-Enkidu.png

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Originally Posted by Xenosan

I'd like to see the new Egis be brought into play not through Summon IV, V, etc; but with a Transpose like swapping action that'd turn Ifrit into Leviathan, Titan into Shiva, etc.

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This is one of the best suggestions I have read

Could make Ramuh a stunner/buffer. Has an aoe stun Shocksquall, an AoE buff - Enthunder which gives everyone a small amount of damage added to their autoattacks, maybe Hastega which would be a 5-10% bonus to autoattack speed. Leviathan can be a healer, Spring Water would be like a Medica II centered on him and also remove some debuffs(only poison blind slow paralyzed heavy). Can give him Tail Whip which would be an AoE damage+20-30% slow for 20sec, Aquaveil an AoE Surecast, long recast though like 180-300s, Tidal Roar would do small damage on single target but reduce their damage by 15%. It's hard to make them all different without making SMN kind of a hybrid RDM type job.

Also if they release shiva leviathan and ramuh, SMN will need a Tridisaster II haha.

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Originally Posted by Xenosan

I'd like to see the new Egis be brought into play not through Summon IV, V, etc; but with a Transpose like swapping action that'd turn Ifrit into Leviathan, Titan into Shiva, etc.

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And Garuda into Ramuh. This is the sort of thing I've really been hoping they do. And the skills themselves leave it open for it. Summon only says "Caster-type Summon," Summon II says "Tank-type," and Summon III says "Attacker-type." I think it'd be great if Leviathan-Egi switched with Ifrit and used piercing damage (to foil Ifrit's slashing), and then Ramuh could have some sort of static mechanic that added stacks that powered up his Enkindle.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Could make Ramuh a stunner/buffer. Has an aoe stun Shocksquall, an AoE buff - Enthunder which gives everyone a small amount of damage added to their autoattacks, maybe Hastega which would be a 5-10% bonus to autoattack speed. Leviathan can be a healer, Spring Water would be like a Medica II centered on him and also remove some debuffs(only poison blind slow paralyzed heavy). Can give him Tail Whip which would be an AoE damage+20-30% slow for 20sec, Aquaveil an AoE Surecast, long recast though like 180-300s, Tidal Roar would do small damage on single target but reduce their damage by 15%. It's hard to make them all different without making SMN kind of a hybrid RDM type job.

Also if they release shiva leviathan and ramuh, SMN will need a Tridisaster II haha.

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if there will be a healing egi, give sch an attacking fairy. :/

I think that it's too late to make any sugestion (I think that SE already know what they will change) but i get hyped with my own ideas and I can't do anything but post them:

Removed spells: Fester (it will be replaced by Enkindle II)
New trait: Aetherdam IV
New spells:
Swiftsummon ((this one is important))
20 sec Recast and it's off-GCD
Let you swap you pet. Your next summon spell is cast immediately and cost no mana. Additional Effect: Give you the Elemental Alignment of your current pet after summon. Additional Effect: Reset Enkindle II recast time after summon
Can be only used if you have already a summon, cannot be used to summon your current pet or the pet of your current Elemental Alignment
The pet will be summoned in the current pet position
Elemental Alignment per pet: Ifrit(fire), Garuda(wind), Titan(earth), Ramuh(lightning), Leviathan(Water), Shiva(Ice), Enkidu(Chicken)
Summon a pet removes Elemental Alignment

Enkindle II
20 sec Recast and it's off-GCD
Commands pet to use a powerful atack, can only be used when under the effect of Aetherflow.
Ifrit: Crimson Cyclone: Delivers a charging attack with a potency of 110 for each effect of Bio, Bio II, Miasma, Water Spout and Thunderspark cast by master or his pets
Garuda: Contagion (the current Contagion is removed): Extends duration of damage over time effects already cast by master or his pets by 10s
Titan: Tumult: Deals earth damage with a potency of 100 to all nearby enemies (5y). Additional Effect: Increased enmity. Additional Effect: Decreases damage suffered by pet and master by 20% for 20s
Ramuh: Thunderspark: Deals lightning damage with a potency of 25 for each effect of Bio, Bio II, Miasma and Water Spout for 15s
Leviathan: Water Spout: Deals water damage with a potency of 200 to all nearby enemies (8y) Additional Effect: Water damage with potency of 10 for 15 seconds.
Shiva: Icicle Impact: Deals ice damage with a potency of 200 to target and all targets nearby it. Additional Effect: Bind for 20s.
Enkidu: Chicken Agility: Shortens recast time of his main ability to 1.75 sec

Reworked spells:
Spur:
60 sec Recast and it's off-GCD
Increases a pet's physical and magical attack power by 20% for 20s. Additional Effect: Imbues your pet with your current Elemental Alignment
Cannot be used if your pet is under Rouse's efect
Fire: Increases damage dealt by pet by 20%.
Wind: Each time the pet's main ability hits the target extends duration of damage over time effects already cast by master or his pets by 1s
Earth: Reduce damage taken by pet and master by 20%
Lightning: Each time the pet's main ability hits the target deals lightning damage with a potency of 10 for each damage over time effects already cast by master
Water: Reduce damage dealt by pet by 30%. Additional Effect: Pet's main ability and autoatacks gains effect radius of 5y
Ice: Each time the pet's main ability hits the target deals ice damage with a potency of 20. Additional Effect: Pet's main ability inflicts Heavy +40% for 10s
Chicken: Shortens recast time of pet's main ability to 2 sec

Tri-disaster
10 sec Recast (after second activation) and it's off-GCD
Absorbs damage over time effects already cast by you and your pets
You can recast within 10 sec to apply those effects in your current target

New summons ability:
Earthen Ward (Titan) and Radiant Shield (Ifrit) are replaced by the Enkindle II spells.

Ramuh: Delivers an attack with a potency of 110. Cast time 2 segs, Range 15y
Leviathan: Delivers an attack with a potency of 50 to main target and 2 neardly enemies.
Shiva: Delivers an attack with a potency of 90. Additional Effect: Heavy +40% for 10s. (melee)
Enkidu: Delivers an attack with a potency of 100. (melee)

Every new pet have a low potency AoE atack and a CC spell

Random Fun ideas:
1-Spur now makes your pet bigger or gives them a more primal look
2- Ruin is replaced by Book Smacking: Delivers an attack with a potency of 100. (melee)
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__.../Maka_Chop.jpg
3- Ruin II is replaced by Book Trow: Delivers an attack with a potency of 90. (25y)
It's like the atack that the twins make in Ultimate Figth Final Fantasy XIV

The idea is that you can't waste all aetherflow charges unless you change your pet (well, you can waste spare charges with Energy Drain, but it isn't ideal)
Elemental Alignment makes that you need rotate between 3 pets at least
Spur/Rouse with 60s CD makes that you can use it in the same pet all the time, unless you delay 30 sec to use it again
You can use Spur/Rouse at the same time, so you will use them in different pets
The idea is that you will make combos between debuffs, pet abilities and Spur

My real wonder is will the new egi's look as terrible as Garuda or like a flying amputee like titan? Egi's just don't feel interactive and honestly people are only going to use whichever has the most DPS or makes their own DPS better. Wish the summons were temp but very high damage or had abilities useful to what they were but had a specialization to where you can summon a strong egi of your choice but the others are weaker.

Omg lol, guys, please educate yourself with the new SMN guide that was posted here. There are a lot of stupid suggestions or opinions people have without understanding the job. Read the guide, read the comments, and just wait til Heavensward to see what SMN gets. 10 good suggestions on this sub forum are killed with 100 bad ones.

The Egi's that we fight are larger and have the same abilities as their primal but when we get them their smaller and have fewer abilities.
Ifrit Egi- summons fire sprites and does volcanic eruption
Titan Egi- does weight of the land
Garuda Egi- summons plumes, Egi Chirada and Suprana.

Pets should be treated like a tool kit with Hard Mode Primal abilities also Egis should have individual cool downs.
Ifrit Egi - single target bursts
Titan Egi - multi-target tank
Garuda Egi - AoE Bursts
Leviathan Egi - sustained single target damage
Ramuh- AoE debuffer
Shiva- AoE crowd control

abilities added and or tweaked to Summoner pets
Ifrit (New Model that isn't flying)
*new skill* Crimson Cyclone - Charges to the Target, Dealing X Potency, and placing Ifrit behind his target. (same animation as Primal Ifrit)
*Changed* Radiant Shield - Creates a shield of fire around Ifrit that lasts 15 seconds, when the shield is destroyed or runs its course it explodes, increasing the skill speed of everyone around it by X%
Flaming Crush removed,
replaced by Searing Ember - all damage dealt by ifrit heals him for 20% of damage dealt.
Burning strike - deals 150 potency if Ifrit is behind its target.

Garuda - Contagion removed and added as a SMN skill that requires 1 Aetherflow
*New skill* - Wicked Winds - Wind's rip at the target, dealing X damage over time. (this skill is counted, in fester.
-Passive added to Garuda - Quickening, Garuda's critical strikes increase the spell speed of everyone around garuda by 5%

Ramuh - While Ramuh is active, Enkindle, has no cooldown.
Ramuh, ignore's sic, * and will only use thunderstrike, unless told otherwise.
Thunderstrike - Ramuh calls down lightning to hit his target.
Chain Lightning - Ramuh shoots lightning that arc's through his enemies (gives Ramuh 2 Static Charge) (8 second cooldown)
Force Field - usable at 8 static charges, Ramuh expends all static charges, creating a small shield around him that lowers all damage taken by those within by 10%
Thunderstorm - Usable at 10 static charges Ramuh summons a thunderstorm around his target, dealing x potency to all around the target by x potency for 20 seconds.
12 static charge - Enkindle can be used Judgement bolt - Ramuh uses Judgement bolt, solving all the worlds problems and granting its master and all of his/her friend's and family bountiful wealth and immortality.