Question: why theres a blacklist cap..?

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

PS3 is also the reason why we can't have a TP bar in the party list or have more graphical options for the PC version or have actual add ons instead of relying on 3rd party stuff.

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TP bar in the party list is coming with 3.0 (switching between TP bar and MP bar), so it is more a 2.0 limitation.
And graphical options on the PC is limited because the PS3? The PC have much more graphical config options than the PS3.

Also to make space in the blacklist: delete the older names.
Simple and easy

All what the blacklist need is an option to put the names into groups like we have with the friendlist.

I find it kind of amusing that it's only been about a year since the PS4 was released, and we're already considering it's predecessor a dinosaur. It's still a powerful console, and it runs FFXIV smoothly in its own right. The 'features' that everyone complain we can't have are often only minor anyway, so why has PS3 support become such a complaint?

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

I find it kind of amusing that it's only been about a year since the PS4 was released, and we're already considering it's predecessor a dinosaur. It's still a powerful console, and it runs FFXIV smoothly in its own right. The 'features' that everyone complain we can't have are often only minor anyway, so why has PS3 support become such a complaint?

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Because PS3 is weak enough to hold back the game long-term. FFXI was limited by the PS2, and prevented the game from advancing and gaining new players. Long-term FFXIV will suffer because of it. Subs don't matter when the game is being held back. At the moment it's nothing huge, but it will be if support continues. If people like the game, they'll buy it for PC or PS4 anyway. First mistake was releasing it on PS3.

And no, the PS3 is not a powerful console, hasn't been for years.

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Originally Posted by Imoye

Because PS3 is weak enough to hold back the game long-term. FFXI was limited by the PS2, and prevented the game from advancing and gaining new players. Long-term FFXIV will suffer because of it. Subs don't matter when the game is being held back. At the moment it's nothing huge, but it will be if support continues. If people like the game, they'll buy it for PC or PS4 anyway. First mistake was releasing it on PS3.

And no, the PS3 is not a powerful console, hasn't been for years.

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They did a pretty good job on optimizing the game for such an ancient console as you say. =p Yeah I do agree eventually it should be phased out... but on PS4, it'll take way too long before it becomes a problem, if at all.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

I find it kind of amusing that it's only been about a year since the PS4 was released, and we're already considering it's predecessor a dinosaur. It's still a powerful console, and it runs FFXIV smoothly in its own right. The 'features' that everyone complain we can't have are often only minor anyway, so why has PS3 support become such a complaint?

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PS3 was a dinosaur even before PS4 came out...

PS3 came out late 2006/early 2007... So we are talking about an 8 year old machine, that wasn't even that powerful when it came out. I love consoles too, so it's not that, but consoles becomes dinosaurs after such a long time.

I bought my current PC in 2007, and while it was much more expensive and powerful than the PS3, it's total crap right now... Can't run the game smoothly without setting everything to the lowest possible, and even then it sucks.

PS3 is more optimized, so it works, but just barely... and they can never add more client side features as long as PS3 is supported. Unless they have it working differently for PC/PS4 and PS3, but don't know if that will work. I'm not talking about the black list.

On the topic, they should just add a "delete all" option for the black list, and deleted characters should be removed automatically or with a mouse click.

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Originally Posted by Elmeron

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You say MMOs shouldn't be on consoles. FFXI and Phantasy Star Online disagree. Those lasted for years (only now is FFXI being shut down for PS2, but then again it's being halted on development anyway.) As to the RMT issue, that's a problem with every single game that has trade-able currency. Not as easy to combat as most people think. SE could do some more about it, like account wide ignores that don't tie to the blacklist, much like WoW has done.

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Originally Posted by DragonFlyy

You say MMOs shouldn't be on consoles. FFXI and Phantasy Star Online disagree.

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He's actually kind of right, and neither of those two games have been relevant for a long time. I'm sorry to say. I loved FFXI when it was fresh but that was a decade ago. The biggest problem is that consoles are generally out of date and fall behind PCs around 6 months after launch. As a result, and because developers want to spread their product across as many platforms as possible to maximize profits, the level at which games are developed are held back. The PS4 I think is capable of being in a position where it doesn't hold this advancement back too much, but in the long run it still will. The biggest reason is because with a PC if you start lagging behind you can replace a part here replace a part there and get back up to speed. With a console you can't do that. You can't just add more ram or update the graphics processor so it causes issues, especially with games that are connected cross platform.

Simple truth is FFXIV should have never been developed for the PS3, it was an aged console that is in the final stretch of it's lifespan and everyone knew PS4 was just around the corner. They should have waited for PS4 but their wallets got bigger than their brains so here we are.

Eitherway I'm not so sure the blacklist thing is an issue of limitation on the PS3. Who you have listed in your blacklist could just as easily be stored server-side as client-side and very well could be for all we know, unless someone from SE has come out and specifically stated that it is stored on the client.

The only real limitation I could see in that case is the PS3's ability to process a very large list of names that it needs to display when the blacklist UI is brought up, but even then that can be dealt with.

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Originally Posted by DragonFlyy

You say MMOs shouldn't be on consoles. FFXI and Phantasy Star Online disagree. Those lasted for years (only now is FFXI being shut down for PS2, but then again it's being halted on development anyway.) As to the RMT issue, that's a problem with every single game that has trade-able currency. Not as easy to combat as most people think. SE could do some more about it, like account wide ignores that don't tie to the blacklist, much like WoW has done.

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You missed the "current gen" part apparently. Also, Phantasy Star Online is an instanced dungeon lobby based game, and as such, not really even an MMORPG (at least nothing like FFXIV).

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Originally Posted by DragonFlyy

You say MMOs shouldn't be on consoles. FFXI and Phantasy Star Online disagree.

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Honestly, the console thing is pretty much a Japan exclusive issue. They don't want to replace dated equipment. I don't think supporting that kind of gaming community works for an MMO in the great scheme of things. MMOs depends on constant updates and improvements, usually increasing the system requirements with time. A prime example of this is WoW. Vanilla WoW could probably run on a PS2, no way earth today's WoW could though. They couldn't have done all the improvements to the game engine for example, when a console is already being squeezed out out of every bit of power. People will quit for this very reason, and new players will be turned off once they realize that they game is being held back. So the increase in subs will eventually turn into a great loss.

SE needs to let the PS3 version die already. FFXI is THE prime example of a game being held back by a console. I mean, heck, just google it and see all the complaints.

PC master race bigotry aside, the development of FFXIV for PS3 benefits all FFXIV players through a broader base of players, more players, graphics optimization for PS3 that resulted in much lower hardware requirements for PC users as well, allowing even more PC players to join. Until such time as a developer of FFXIV posts to this forum confirming beyond doubt that the BL is limited to 200 solely because of the limited system memory, the point is moot. Prejudiced comments about console gamers, console systems or similarhave no place in this or any discussion and simply reveal the limitations of the mentality of those making the comments.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Prejudiced comments about console gamers, console systems or similar have no place in this or any discussion and simply reveal the limitations of the mentality of those making the comments.

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No one said any prejudiced comments about console gamers. It's a fact that the PC is better when it comes to what it can do compared to a console. If you take that as some insult, than you might possibly find other facts prejudicial as well: The grass is green. The sky is blue. Farts are smelly (well, maybe there is someone whose farts smell like roses, but I've yet to discover this person).

I feel for PS3 players, I do, but sorry, it is holding the game back. That's not even something that can be argued.

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Originally Posted by Elmeron

No one said any prejudiced comments about console gamers.

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Then you skipped some posts.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Then you skipped some posts.

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The one comment about Japanese not wanting to replace outdated technology with newer and better technology, you mean? That comment? Because not seeing any other posts that could be considered offensive to console gamers.

Also, that comment is partially true. Japan has largely ignored the PC in place of consoles for a very long time, and are just starting to pay attention to the PC. I'm a fan of JRPGs so I pay attention to that kind of thing as I always found it a bit annoying how I could never really find many JRPGs (and even the few you can find are either really old ports or just plain terrible JRPGs) for the PC.