Warriors Viable?

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

I do think both jobs have their merits, and it's really just down to what type of CD management you prefer.

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Pretty much this, I know I've been running WAR a lot lately to practice my CD management.

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Originally Posted by Gillionaire

Well, I don't realy tank high level content so I don't know for sure.. But I think most WARs that are not pure VIT put points into STR where as PLDs put points into DEX? I don't know if that would make that much of a difference though.

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PLD would put into STR if they don't put it into VIT.

I don't think DEX is really viable.

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Originally Posted by Instrumentality

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Warriors have to plan CDs out too...

You must not have tanked T9 as a Warrior when it was hard content. I remember before my static got to the last phase researching exact timing of Claw, and having to figure out an exact rotation of CDs based on their timing. Though lately I have wondered if Claw is one minute apart allowing for easy mode ToB + Con then Vengeance, repeat. The one I used had Foresight + Con as a bridge, which made the fourth claw a nightmare. I had to learn really quick when to use IB just right.

Also, first phase Beak. I had to figure out the third Beak: land SP after dive, ToB (maybe Foresight too, been a while), IB, Infuriate, IB at 5 seconds left on debuff. I died there due to the spike from other damage on critical learning attempts, and I could tell it was discouraging to the idea of me tanking the fight, as we had a PUG telling them Warriors can\\'t solo tank T9.

So that aspect is very similar.

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Originally Posted by Delorean

boss ability queues are generally pretty strict in FFXIV - they are not random at all

i.e, shortly after dropping bombs titan will do a mountain buster. every time. the trick is to know that window. it takes about 20 seconds to generate 5 wrath, but if you use it too soon you will waste it. the window for a mountain buster is probably somewhere around 22-30 seconds. and honestly dont quote me on that because that is a pretty rough estimate but it's meant to illustrate a point

once you spend enough time having your shit kicked in by a boss you will know when the big damage is going to come out

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Random was a horrible word choice.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

I'm not really here to change your mind (I like PLD too), but I will say that planning WAR's CD rotation is actually way more strict than PLD's.

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Yeah, this is where I think we're not actually talking to each other effectively. I dislike Warrior because it is so strict. The answer for Warrior mitigation is not ever going to vary in any noticeable capacity. It's always going to be Inner Beast or Inner Beast plus another CD. The rest of everything I would do as a Warrior tank beyond that is total fluff and nothing I care about which is why Warrior is boring to me.

I really do think Warrior is a fine tank for any content. Just not a class I ever want to play in anything ever.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

bad stuff about wars

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No offense dude but if you're saying that your War sucks a bit. War have equal or even better mitigation tools than pld, the fact is that the pld ones are a shield that works for itself and like 3 buttons, while war has more complex ones. For example war's "shield" is Inner Beast, which you must use in certain moments, and war's damage debuff is Storm's path, which is his 3rd combo, while the pld's one is Rage of halone, which is his only combo(inb4 riot blade too!!! it's not a combo). So in a situation like the adds of t10 the pld needs only to halone both adds and use cds, while the war should use IB in certain moments(using it while adds are casting aoe is useless) and apply SP on both of them. The fact is that many wars prefer to use Steel cyclone for damage/aggro instead of IB, and to use SE/BB instead of SP, so the main mitigation tools of war aren't used in that moment. War is better for single heavy damage moves while pld is better for constant damage, for example in t13 the first Akh Morn(12k of damage) often deals 0 damage to me, because i have 70%(or even more, i don't exactly know how cds+storm's path debuff combine togheter) of mitigation + adlo(with convalescence) and stoneskin.

Why didn't you ask ME Hinata? Lol.. I WAR everything for our FC, I don't recall seeing this conversation ; ;

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Originally Posted by Riyos

Assuming I said bad stuff about wars

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Everyone seems to look at my posts and assume that I'm raging about wars. I'm not. They're fine. I would be reluctant to enter fcob without one. But it's foolish to pretend there's no difference from PLDs in healing. Wars can take bahamut's favor, secondary head, revelation, etc... but these things need to be proactively prepared for -- on both the warrior's AND healer side.

If you talk to most people in game, at least in my experience, they will flat out say warrior cannot solo tank t9 even with the current gear levels and echo buff. I disagree. War can do it. But in that example in one of my earlier posts, I was just showing how it differed from the healer's perspective and took a bit more precision to handle. If you act like you're healing a PLD when you're healing a WAR they will die.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Everyone seems to look at my posts and assume that I'm raging about wars. I'm not.

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Your initial comment generalizes all WARs. WAR have damage mitigation, Inner Beast. It's unfortunate however I have seen some WARs that don't properly know how to use it.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Everyone seems to look at my posts and assume that I\\'m raging about wars. I\\'m not. They\\'re fine. I would be reluctant to enter fcob without one. But it\\'s foolish to pretend there\\'s no difference from PLDs in healing.

If you act like you\\'re healing a PLD when you\\'re healing a WAR they will die.

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I think what you're trying to say here is - it is easier to faceroll heal a bad paladin than a bad warrior.
This is probably a true statement.

If everyone is playing their jobs correctly, that is a false statement.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Why didn't you ask ME Hinata? Lol.. I WAR everything for our FC, I don't recall seeing this conversation ; ;

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Was a different FC before I joined Phire <3 :D

Anyone reading this Thread it was NOT my current FC I had this convo with ^.^ past is past, Thanks for all the info everyone