Well Square, you really messed up this patch (PvP-wise)

I garauntee if you put an entire alliance of melee up against one of these blm parties the melee would win hands down if they charged in. Its not squares fault. They can't predict how players choose to play. Try zerging from behind. Try caping op in a small group. There are so many ways to change these fights without blaming se. I think the problem is lack of creativity from the mindless zerg

You only further illustrate the large issue that exists between melee and blm/smn in slaughter. You are essentially saying that melee requires voice coordination to beat ranged casters. And lets be realistic, you can't expect random players (most who don't even listen to simple things) to be able to run a coordinated melee train in slaughter. Furthermore, why doesn't range have to have the same requirements? Why aren't they required to coordinate?

That's right. All they have to do is sit back in a zerg full of players, pick a target and aoe the target and everyone around that target. No coordination required.

What game are you playing? I see blms coordinate LBs on a daily basis and complexly dominate other teams. The only reason you don't see this with melee is simply because people see the high damage at the end o the match and say hey i wanna do that! The root cause o the imbalance is cometeor. Other than that I don't think there is any problem. If people tried going all melee I garaunte it would work.

Also why are you saying these are "requirements" our discussion here is purely based on player behavior not the game mechanics or requirements. Again she can't control player behavior the game itself is perfectly fine except for mage lb.

Playing a caster doesn't require much coordination, if any. If all the enemies are bunched up most of the time, and one of your casters uses their LB. How difficult is it to see the huge blue aoe icon on the floor and then use your LB in the same spot or a close spot? Come on man, lets not be silly here.

I'm being realistic, I'm not pulling a "what if". Because I already know that a vast majority of players in FL do not listen. What you are saying would require listening, aka voice coordination. Especially since the vast majority of melee damage is single target. Everyone including the healer would have to understand what they need to do. Again, not happening.

The good news is that they're adjusting cometeor cast time so people can dodge it more easily and balance shall be restored!

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Originally Posted by DividedSky

The good news is that they're adjusting cometeor cast time so people can dodge it more easily and balance shall be restored!

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Man, I don't even think I can dodge the LB3 caster skill. I get hit regardless of how fast I moved out of it. Interesting enough, I don't have any lag. So I don't know what the deal is.

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Originally Posted by Domira

Man, I don't even think I can dodge the LB3 caster skill. I get hit regardless of how fast I moved out of it. Interesting enough, I don't have any lag. So I don't know what the deal is.

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That's because it's not working as intended right now, which results in it being cast much faster than it should. It'll likely still be a relatively quick cast (maybe 2 sec instead of 0.5-1sec) but it'll hopefully be much easier to dodge, even if you're in the dead center of it, if you react immediately. As is, if it were to cast properly and not at the speed it currently does, it's not that difficult to run out of it. That is, if you're not CC'd at the time lol.

I am not sure how coordinated blms are. Just watch who they are targeting. As a healer I stand a little farther out to the middle and i have been hit by 7 different caster lbs. They only do 2k time your spells and gear and just heal through it. Most melee no not to move that close they will get stunned and eaten alive. Which serves the second purpose of being out a bit.

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Originally Posted by Sergy

Slaughter mode is only good for farming EXP and Wolfs marks since matches don't take that long but the actual gameplay sucks.

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Yea, thats actually what i think about Slaughter in general aswell.

If ppl can dodge endgame aoes but not pvp then you know something is wrong lol

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

If ppl can dodge endgame aoes but not pvp then you know something is wrong lol

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Not really true. It could be a latency issue, but most have trouble dodging it. Its the same for the blm lb3 as well. It doesn't matter if you move out of the circle long before its finished casting. You will still get hit. Earlier today in a pvp match I seen a blm casting cometeor, i was on the edge of the aoe so I had lots of time to move. I moved out the circle and I was still hit by it.

It can't be a connection issue because blm lb3 and cometeor is the only aoe that can't dodge. It doesn't happen in pve or even in pvp with the nodes in slaughter.

Does anyone see a better situation with Cometeor after patch? For me, its seems that they are still way to op. I think it might need another change then just a increase of the cast time.

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Originally Posted by Sanghelios

Does anyone see a better situation with Cometeor after patch? For me, its seems that they are still way to op. I think it might need another change then just a increase of the cast time.

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the only change is that instead of getting 40+kills
they now get 30+ kills

that is it.

The hotfix seems to have allowed people to realisticly react to it.

Tanks/Healers mitigating the damage via Tank LB/Succor/Stoneskins etc.
And Healers being able to heal through the barrages via AOE Healing and Healer LB(Bard LB too).

As a tank/healer I avoid stacking amongst my teammates so I can mitigate/heal through the cometeors and avoid AOE CCs.

Since damage isn't calculated as fast(Longer cast time, meaning seeing AOE longer before it actually goes down), it allows for those clutch moments.

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Originally Posted by Sanghelios

Does anyone see a better situation with Cometeor after patch? For me, its seems that they are still way to op. I think it might need another change then just a increase of the cast time.

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It may be still op, but I have seen about 12 players dodging an LB because they were not CC'd. That wasn't doable before the hotfix.

Slaughter is not balance. It is slop side. Basically which team has more BLM that team wins. Melee can't attack. SMN can't get a kill cause their dots are too slow. Caster LB is too fast. Plus LB is totally slop side it. IF you die, you LB is gone and the other team LB is just getting faster and faster. The moment the loser team got the the middle - they got LB by 3 BLM. UGH - So Annoying.

They need to give more handicap to the losing team so they can catch up. Maybe make the node spawn worth more point and more RNG on the nodes - DOn't let them spawn in the middle but spread out.

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Originally Posted by Sanghelios

1.)PvP-Roulette
...The way the pvp roulette works now is complete bullshit (Sorry for saying that). With tomes as rewards, the amount of pve players who just go into frontlines to get thier non-pvp related rewards (Light,Tomes) will increase and again they dont have to care about who wins and who not. Just go in, annoy the addicted pvp players with wasted limited breaks and overall cluelessness. As of now, the only ppl who suffer from the "pvp roulette" are the pvp players themself.

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So as of now, who of you can agree on this? Since patch 2.5 launched,i barely met a familiar name in my frontlines group or even the whole alliance. Most if not all ppl are pve player wich i have never seen before. Well, its not wrong to have new ppl in there, but the problem is, that these ppl dont give a single fuck about win or loose (Because they dont have to). And this Square Enix, this becomes a major problem right here. You made PvP for PvP players, and not for PvE players. This whole thing totally ruins my own fun while playing fl, because i would much more like to play frontlines only with people who want to win that game, like it was before you added pve rewards to pvp. This pve train wich drives through frontlines does have to be stopped. I mean, on the other hand, what would you think if there are pvp rewards (marks) in normal pve dungeons, but you only have to enter that dungeon and get to the first chest to get your pvp stuff, then leave right afte. What would you think would pve players say about that? I dont think they would be happy about that. So please, Square Enix, remove all the pve rewards from pvp (tomes and light bonus).

For example it already happened to me multiple times, that i loose games, just because a healer decided to go dps last minute in secure, leaving a no-healer party behind. I ask them why are they doing that and i get the answer "I dont care, i need my light". Yeah, thats great to hear.

You really have to change the way how you continue to develop pvp in the future.

I dont even know if i can encourage myself to continue on pvp at all. I mean, wolfs den is dead, secure is dead and slaughter feels like early beta and its full of pve players wich dont care about anything whats is going on during a match.

I dont mind having some pve rewards in pvp (if it is really needed at all), but only give them out for a win. But oh wait, since pvp is gc restricted, some grand companys get a win out of 20 games. Yea Square, i understand your concern that this would might bother a pve player so just stay on your way and dont give a fuck about us.

Edit: And the "Nerf" for Cometeor didnt worked at all. Range DDs still end thier game with 20:1 while the average melee ends with 1:6

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Edit: And the "Nerf" for Cometeor didnt worked at all. Range DDs still end thier game with 20:1 while the average melee ends with 1:6

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That's not even near the averages that I see now.

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Originally Posted by cinequoinon

That's not even near the averages that I see now.

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Of course there are plenty of good melees. What i wanted to say is, that the Cometeor nerf didnt really helped to bring Melee vs. Range more on tie. Ranges are still by far the ones who get the kills and ending with a positive K/D ratio, while melees usually are the ones who deliver the kills and end up with negative.

Edit: For example, today we had a group for 8 ppl in slaughter, me and another healer and 6 melees. They got melted as soon as we reached mid. Me and the other healer were spamming heals all over the place, but as soon as we did heal one melee up, two others got nuked with double flare or what not. These melees werent able to kill anything in the first boss phase but they got killed like 3 times each.

Individual LBs was probably a mistake. Ranged in general aren't that scary. Coordinated ranged are a nightmare.

Mostly just checking in to say that I agree that roulette not giving PvP xp and Wolf Marks is an abomination.

Melee are far from weak in 72 man slaughter. I play dragoon an regularly achieve battle fever or 10+ kills. I often end matches within the top 3 in kills, at least on my data center (primal). Maelstrom btw.

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Originally Posted by crmzon

Melee are far from weak in 72 man slaughter. I play dragoon an regularly achieve battle fever or 10+ kills. I often end matches within the top 3 in kills, at least on my data center (primal). Maelstrom btw.

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Being from Mael (Primal) I can confirm that melees are doing just fine there.

Hm. I dont know, must be a data centre thingy then. Usually my games end like this (my last game for example).

Top of Leaderboard:
http://puu.sh/fASKF/cdb91cbb44.jpg

I think you can imagine how the bottom looks like. So on that part i cant agree that melees doing fine in slaughter.

Edit: Just got this:
Top:
http://puu.sh/fB04b/2962475f5d.jpg

Bottom:
http://puu.sh/fB06N/cf7a6a072e.jpg