Why does this game run better on a Mac through Wine than on a native windows 7?

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08-15-2011, 06:35 AM
Speeral

@miraa we can't help those less fortunate who feel better about posting negative flame trolls. Yes xiv can be run on a mac and yes the game will run well. But for all intents and purposes macs stille are a touch behind in terms of tuning for performance and upgrading. Hell i love apple products for ease of use and quick use, but if i am trying to really build a solid system bc pc's offer the flexibility my primary comp is a pc.

But i do see the merits of using a mac and the size of the systems is what i like most. They are compact and that's what i like i about them for portable use.

Back on topic in a sense, the people flaming do it bc they have no real valid thing to say so just say anything that is counterpoint.
08-15-2011, 06:48 AM
PeaceWalker

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defmetal

Boot Camp is not virtualization. It's not running Windows inside a Mac, it's partitioning the hard drive and installing it on it's own partition, and it provides a driver CD for the mac hardware... which let's discuss ... what is the mac hardware? A Intel Core i7 Processor, with DDR3 ram, and a AMD graphics card ....

Is Ubuntu virtualized because you install it on a second hard drive on your windows pc?

The point of the thread was that a Mac OS, emulating Windows XP, ran the game better than natively running it through Windows 7, and to discuss what that meant in terms of being able to optimize the game. Such as, coding better communication with DirectX (Square Enix side) or turning Aero off (End-User side).

(Has anyone noticed that all the forum trolls on this board have over 500 posts?)

Have you tried running FFXIV on your iPhone while you smoke a cigar in your F150?
Maybe the speed and the smoke will make your mac work better.
I don't know how mac works, but I think they're based on Steve Jobs' magic farts
08-15-2011, 06:50 AM
PeaceWalker

Seriously, though.
If the game works better on your Mac when you run it through Wine, why do you have to make a thread to complain about it?
Just run it through the OS X or whatever and deal with it.
Isn't the Mac OS your preferred operating system? Sounds like you just REALLY want to have something to complain about.
Besides, everyone knows how shitty windows runs on Bootcamp.
08-15-2011, 07:36 AM
Delsus

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Originally Posted by Arock

I turned off Aero too, and noticed a huge leap in performance. It is wonderful. The only weird thing now is that my screen saver doesn't come on. Hmm?

Also, not to drag out this misplaced mac vs. pc battle, but I'm in school for graphic design and all my teachers are biased toward mac and the department uses primarily macs. I, however, use a pc at home and honestly have had no problems switching between the two. They both really do the same thing. My teachers still give me crap about it though ':/

Admittedly macs are better for graphic design, but not much else which is why your department uses them, oh and if your teacher give you crap, just mention the 1k you saved, that you can use to treat yourself, it will shut em up.

And typical, no one has given me any reasons that macs are worth twice as much as PCs, hmmm, makes you think.
08-15-2011, 08:24 AM
Raze

Ever since Apple IIe the company has gone way downhill. Oregon trail plz.
08-15-2011, 08:29 AM
argwings

a while back somebody asked how to disable desktop composition. simply navigate to where your ffxivgame.exe is, right click it, go to the compatibility tab, and check Disable desktop composition.
08-15-2011, 08:36 AM
Delsus

Quote:

Originally Posted by argwings

a while back somebody asked how to disable desktop composition. simply navigate to where your ffxivgame.exe is, right click it, go to the compatibility tab, and check Disable desktop composition.

You can do it from the desktop shortcut as well and it affects all possible ways of launching the game.
08-15-2011, 08:47 AM
Neptune

Some of the posts in here have been severely lacking in intelligence. This thread is about what is bugged about this game under Windows.. via mention of running it under a different OS. Some of you need to go back to school.
08-15-2011, 09:02 AM
Delsus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neptune

Some of the posts in here have been severely lacking in intelligence. This thread is about what is bugged about this game under Windows.. via mention of running it under a different OS. Some of you need to go back to school.

I didnt wanna start the usual mac Vs windows arguments, but some people were saying how apparently mac is better than windows, so I replied to that.

The problem is not bugs in the windows client because the op is using the windows client, the problem is windows aero which is huge overhead on resources which is no needed, take windows server 2008, it uses the old gray theme, server admins have been complaining since the first GUI based servers that the GUI is uneccecery overhead so they slim server GUIs down as much as possible, even going as far as making a command line version of server 2008 which has no overhead.

If a greyscale GUI is too much of an overhead for powerful servers, normally much more powerful than a normal gaming rig, what do you think windows aero is doing to gaming rigs? You can turn windows aero off, you can even disable desktop composition so aero is only off when you run specific applications so when you arent using them you can still use aero if you want to.

Again the problem is not the client it is the high requirements of windows 7 which need to be run on top of the demanding games.

@op use bootcamp again and turn aero off and you WILL notice a differance most people can double settings and see no lag, the problem isnt the client because it is the exact same client, wine still uses Dx to render graphics or the game would not work because it is programmed to use Dx nothing else. Check the requirements for mac and windows 7 and you will see a huge differance.
08-15-2011, 09:16 AM
Raze

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neptune

Some of the posts in here have been severely lacking in intelligence. This thread is about what is bugged about this game under Windows.. via mention of running it under a different OS. Some of you need to go back to school.

You should start 5 threads complaining about it.
08-15-2011, 09:31 AM
SAMINUS

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Originally Posted by Raze

You should start 5 threads complaining about it.

All Neptune does is complain. never mind the troll.
08-15-2011, 11:07 AM
Ilean

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defmetal

Boot Camp is not virtualization. It's not running Windows inside a Mac, it's partitioning the hard drive and installing it on it's own partition

Finally!

/moarchars
08-15-2011, 12:44 PM
Chocobits

I think the only thing I hate worse than Windows fanbois is Mac fanbois, and Linux fanbois trailing a close third.

Seriously, isn't anyone running the game on trusty old OS/2?
08-15-2011, 12:49 PM
Raze

Works perfectly on Solaris and AmigaOS too. 1000% speedup.
08-15-2011, 01:04 PM
Ilean

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Originally Posted by Raze

Works perfectly on Solaris and AmigaOS too. 1000% speedup.

Please report on C64 status
08-15-2011, 01:07 PM
Kailea_Nagisa

screw all that I am running it on DOS, fastest you will ever get the game ^.^
08-15-2011, 01:15 PM
Ilean

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

screw all that I am running it on DOS, fastest you will ever get the game ^.^

Don't forget to load hymem.sys!
08-15-2011, 01:29 PM
Chocobits

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ilean

Don't forget to load hymem.sys!

Also, this is where people run into trouble:

Quote:

DOS=HIGH, UMB
DEVICE=C:\Windows\EMM386.EXE NOEMS

The NOEMS switch is required for applications that aren't optimized for extended memory.
08-22-2011, 10:26 AM
miqokini

Help! I installed on my Macbook Pro using Wine, but this is what it looks like when I try to play:

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7...10821at233.png

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/588...10821at232.png

Note how in the first pic, the character doesn't show. In the second, it's obvious that the graphics aren't displaying properly.

Know of any fixes?
08-22-2011, 12:42 PM
Ilean

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chocobits

Also, this is where people run into trouble:

The NOEMS switch is required for applications that aren't optimized for extended memory.

Also:

FILESHIGH = 123456789
08-29-2011, 04:24 AM
Giotto

hi
i was trying to set up ffxiv on mac as the thread said
i found 2 problems
1- in step: go to Font settings, hit "Use a Windows Font", i couldnt find that option
2- after i finish download the patches i have to download the updatter but it never download
i have macpro 15"
i7 2.66 GH
ram 4g
GC: NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M
i have windows 7 running ffxiv on same Specifications but lower pros speed
i will be geartful if u can help
thnx
08-29-2011, 05:09 AM
ChiefCurrahee

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defmetal

When I used to work in medical we couldn't get a radio reception because of all the heavy machinery so the iphone was the only way we had tunes, or the ability to listen to Limbaugh during the day.

Simply put, the iphone allows me to drive my f150, listening to my song of choice, talk on the phone, and smoke a cigar, without being a road hazard. Unfortunately the counter argument would be how many people now text while driving as a result of it :(

Extinguish that cigar and turn off Rush, they both pollute the air!
08-29-2011, 06:09 AM
drakobelmont

when you run windows on a MAC of course its not gonna run as smooth as the real windows.

If you got a regular PC and it runs windows, it should be faster and smoother than a MAC.
08-29-2011, 11:13 AM
Ilean

Quote:

Originally Posted by drakobelmont

when you run windows on a MAC of course its not gonna run as smooth as the real windows.

If you got a regular PC and it runs windows, it should be faster and smoother than a MAC.

*rollsEyes*

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