Rowena

More like this?
http://oi48.tinypic.com/2a821k8.jpg

Or more like this?
http://archiv.ffxiv.sevengamer.de/im.../09/Rowena.png

I'm for option 1

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Originally Posted by Darki

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"In my latest video, I discuss Final Fantasy 14. I have played for a whopping 10 minutes so I consider myself a professional on the matter. In this game, players are encouraged to kill and defile females, such as the characters, Melusine, Siren, and Garuda. You kill some male characters too but those aren't female so I ignore that. There is a cavalcade of outfits that expose women's breasts, therefore players are encouraged to reveal their breasts because logic gaps."

Check your cis, white, male, monster-normative privilege.

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Originally Posted by ExponentialDecay

rowena is a fictitious character and as such lacks the ability to choose her dress

slutty is a derogatory term used to police the way women dress

telling someone to stay "in the middle east" as a way to insinuate conservative aesthetics is, in fact, racist

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Because burqas are endemic to America, Europe, Japan, and Russia.

*nods sagely*

Gonna toss in on the outrage train and object to "conservative" being used in place of "modest".

Also, re: Rowena - bow-chicka-wow-wow. Ain't nothin' quite so foxy as a take-charge businesswoman.

That is all o.0

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Originally Posted by ExponentialDecay

telling someone to stay "in the middle east" as a way to insinuate conservative aesthetics is, in fact, racist

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Oh spare me your false outrage. I spoke of a geographic region where the GOVERNMENTS have decided that showing skin is a crime that is punishable in some cases all the way up to death. That's not racist. I said nothing of race anywhere. I said nothing of any type of people. I said something about a geographic area where a certain standard of dress is endemic to that area as opposed to almost any other area of the world. It's not racist, it's fact. I am so sick of you people screaming racist as a way to silence opposing thoughts because of the highly negative stigma associated with that accusation. Ironically (if I'm using that correctly) enough, it is the very use of that accusation for that reason that is watering it down to the point where it carries about as much of a negative stigma as calling someone a poopyhead.

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Originally Posted by Darki

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Are you some of those gamersgate idiots?

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You're not being a feminist by defending the sexualized way women are represented in games. Please also note that feminism defend that women should dress the way they want and not being called slut for that.

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Originally Posted by Bucy

Rowena runs an oppressive ruthless monopoly. She eliminates competition, silences criticism, and controls both supply and demand. Beware of her, she is like the offspring of J.P. Morgan and Vladimir Putin. No one should care how she dresses, the only concern for us should be what ridiculous price she will demand for her exclusive wears...

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Clearly this thread is a misdirection facilitated by Pro-wena agitators. They would have us argue social issues like dress and modesty while the rich get richer off the blood of hapless adventurers. Before we know it, she'll have consolidated the wealth and power of a nation in her Fortress of Wonders.

How did this suddenly became a rowena is a slut thread o.O

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Originally Posted by myahele

How did this suddenly became a rowena is a slut thread o.O

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Well, she did rise to fame pretty fast in Revenant's Toll, reminds me of this.

what if rowena was male and decided to wear shorts and no shirt; would that be considered "slutty?"

That's right, she is way too slutty, thus she should be replaced by a large Rogadyn man wearing only a SUBLIGAR!

And he must constantly be doing a disturbingly provocative dance, as a motionless Lalafell stands nearby in shock, unable to blink in fear at the monstrosity before him.

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Originally Posted by Darus

That's right, she is way too slutty, thus she should be replaced by a large Rogadyn man wearing only a SUBLIGAR!

And he must constantly be doing a disturbingly provocative dance, as a motionless Lalafell stands nearby in shock, unable to blink in fear at the monstrosity before him.

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May I suggest the dance done by the mamool-ja dancer that Gegeruju has you fetch. Failing that, wiggling. Lots of wiggling.

Also, i want that dance emote. And the wiggle one.

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Originally Posted by Amenian

I spoke of a geographic region where the GOVERNMENTS have decided that showing skin is a crime that is punishable in some cases all the way up to death. That's not racist. I said nothing of race anywhere. I said nothing of any type of people. I said something about a geographic area where a certain standard of dress is endemic to that area as opposed to almost any other area of the world.

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I was born and grew up in the Middle East and that statement is not really true.

There are a number of Middle Eastern countries where that is not the case, such as Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Lebanon, Dubai and Baharain to name some. While in some countries certain ways of dressing may be considered inappropriate in many settings, often times it is not against the law.

Also, enforced ways of dress for women, and men, is not isolated to the Middle East. You can find it amongst many cultural groups in many different countries such as India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, many ex-Soviet Union countries, many countries in Africa, and even amongst certain groups withing the US, just head down to Williamsburg in Brooklyn and see what the predominantly Hestetic Jewish community is wearing.

Point being, making blanket statements about any group of people, whether you define them by race, religion or geographic region, is something that should be avoided as it often leads to misinformation and stereotyping.

P.S. I am not defending all Middle Eastern countries or groups as I will be the first to admit that there are definitely people and places there that are utterly bassackwards, but then again that rings true for a lot of the world.

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Originally Posted by Almalexia

Clearly this thread is a misdirection facilitated by Pro-wena agitators. They would have us argue social issues like dress and modesty while the rich get richer off the blood of hapless adventurers. Before we know it, she'll have consolidated the wealth and power of a nation in her Fortress of Wonders.

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Someone gets me! ;u;

Pretty soon, without government representation, we adventurers will need to unionize. We've rised in the ranks of grand companies, eliminated grave threats to every nation state, but still no institution is willing to take a stand and confront the economic menace Rowena represents!

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Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

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I'm not claiming what I said wasn't stereotyping. It absolutely was, you're right. My point could have been made without that tidbit and I probably should have left it off. However, saying something is endemic to an area does not mean that it is the case always in that area, nor does it mean that it doesn't exist in other areas. Regardless of whether everyone there oppresses women and their dress or not, you are more likely to find it on a grander scale in that area of the world than in others.

However, it was not racist which is what I was being accused of and what I'm defending

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Originally Posted by Bucy

Someone gets me! ;u;

Pretty soon, without government representation, we adventurers will need to unionize. We've rised in the ranks of grand companies, eliminated grave threats to every nation state, but still no institution is willing to take a stand and confront the economic menace Rowena represents!

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Rowena caused the Hunts! She offered the mythology gear to the grand companies at a discount and then orchestrated the release of dangerous monsters in every part of Eorzea so we'd chase them down. All so she could eliminate her backstock of old armor! She knows she's getting the new models in and she wanted to unload her old wares!

DEVIOUS!

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

Rowena caused the Hunts! She offered the mythology gear to the grand companies at a discount and then orchestrated the release of dangerous monsters in every part of Eorzea so we'd chase them down. All so she could eliminate her backstock of old armor! She knows she's getting the new models in and she wanted to unload her old wares!

DEVIOUS!

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Her crimes are numerous and she operates such activities openly! SHE IS THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX! Down with Rowena!

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Originally Posted by Theresa

Are you some of those gamersgate idiots?

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You're not being a feminist by defending the sexualized way women are represented in games. Please also note that feminism defend that women should dress the way they want and not being called slut for that.

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Lmao! I posted the pictures to poke fun over the obsession over how women dress. I remember Anita from a while back so I just wanted to be flip. I agree with you that women should dress how they want to without the hyper critique.

By the way, what is "gamergate?"

Is He-Man a slut? His outfit is very revealing.

Yes he can be.

The problem is not the word slut but that we as an American society view women expressing themselves sexually as "dirty".

Sorry scantly clad men are just as slutty. Do you not wonder why the modeling industry has men with six packs and revealing clothing now-a-days? It even "turns on men" (creates a sexual atmosphere).

Anyway, I digress. Carry on.

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Originally Posted by Avisaia

I hope that she starts to slowly dress more ornate. I picture her as becoming the future leader of Revenant's Toll as it turns into a proper city. The coolest thing to me has been the build up each patch, the changes and the increase in the number of people (npcs) in the area. The addition of landscaping, and cool places to afk/hide in are really adding some great depth. I hope she'll keep progressing as her city is, and well... look spiffy.

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I can see her turning more into a "Godfather" type figure XD.

Honestly, Rowena evolved with XIV. Going from unspoken Ul'dahn townie to in-demand quest giver. Now she's a business leader in Toll. Her attire has reflected these changes. I don't see her getting skimpier at all, that's a look for an NPC that demands attention and she's got NPCs for that.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

I can see her turning more into a "Godfather" type figure XD.

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Immediately thought of Fish Moony when you said that lol.

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Originally Posted by Darki

By the way, what is "gamergate?"

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A "movement" that has no idea what it is angry about, but really hates women basically. So anyone who dislikes a woman is automatically called a GamerGate follower, while anyone who defends a woman is immediately a crazy feminist who has no idea what she is talking about, and only the people caught in the middle actually suffer.

It sucks.

But on topic. I'm not really sure what Rowena has worn in the past. I like designs that look "flowy" though (for lack of a better word). So maybe something loose or baggy? Skirts, dresses, and the like, some robes, OH and the shirts the pirates in Limsa Lominsa wear. Things like that.

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Originally Posted by Corfish

A "movement" that has no idea what it is angry about, but really hates women basically. So anyone who dislikes a woman is automatically called a GamerGate follower, while anyone who defends a woman is immediately a crazy feminist who has no idea what she is talking about, and only the people caught in the middle actually suffer.

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*yawn*

Naturally, anyone who doesn't bow to each and every criticism levied by any aggrieved party walking down the street "hates".

Tripe like that is why the backlash was as bad as it was, and will continue to invite withering scorn and summary dismissal.

Was not particularly aware it was a movement, either; rather, it seems to be something of an admission that everyone in the media has an angle, and there are precious few, if indeed there are any, unbiased media sources.

So yeah, that's hate, I guess. Laughable.

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Originally Posted by Eagleheart

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I didn't want to reply because I didn't want to start crap. But I'm tired of letting people excuse terrible behavior.

Yes, it is based on hate, with the idea that the media has an angle as an excuse. I have no love for Zoe Quinn or Anita, but you cannot deny that at this point the driving force behind GamerGate is hatred. Doxxing, death threats, and actively only targeting women and men who support women? That's hate.

No one disagrees that the media has an angle or agenda. Of course it does, everything does, so why does there need to be some movement behind it? Because a bunch of angry people want an excuse to be horrible people.

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Originally Posted by Eagleheart

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i find it ironic that this thread evolved from an argument about the word slutty to mentioning gamergate.

which is also ironic because there was an NPR interview at around 8-9 EST about gamergate. found it very interesting.

Though i find their goal quite admirable (i for one would like to see more unbiased game journalism), its kinda sad what its devolved into. death threats and pulling the terrorism card is not going to work out too well.

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Originally Posted by Corfish

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you have to remember that gamergate is just as subjected to the whims of the internet as we are. they have just as many trolls and terrible people as us, the difference being that they have a spotlight. because they have the spotlight, more radical elements are brought to light as well.

the death threats that were sent to Utah state and sarkeesian were definitely "related" to gamergate, but it should in no way reflect the goals and ideals of the entirety of gamergate.

Rowena in patch 5.0
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Wow...sorry I asked lol.

On topic, I would love Rowena to turn into some kind of super influential privateer of some kind that has "connections" that you can take advantage of or something.

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Originally Posted by Darki

Wow...sorry I asked lol.

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Just do what I did and stay out of it. The more attention you give "it" the more of a mess it becomes.
Instead let's talk about scantily clad future god-empresses of hyurkind.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

Just do what I did and stay out of it. The more attention you give "it" the more of a mess it becomes.
Instead let's talk about scantily clad future god-empresses of hyurkind.

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Indeed. Ohhh! What if she becomes like the empress of Rev's Toll when it becomes big enough to be called a city?

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Originally Posted by Darki

Indeed. Ohhh! What if she becomes like the empress of Rev's Toll when it becomes big enough to be called a city?

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the world shall burn

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Originally Posted by KhalidTheGreat

well then I guess we agree to disagree :D

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You agree to being wrong then.

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Originally Posted by Ahmbor

"Showing more skin" != slutty

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I'm talking about really showing skin. Not some skin here and there. Also panty shots like the mini skirts that female hyurs and miqote play with. It's actually hard not seeing their panties from behind. That kind of thing. Oh and the girl in the logo that decides to stick her underwear out for all to see for some odd reason.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

This is the 6th time I seen you use "slutty" and you use it incorrectly. Once again, do you call people who go to the beach and wear swimsuits "slutty"? Or when someone hops into the shower and have to get naked, is that considered "slutty"? In 1.0 she actually dressed down in every patch which I found kind of funny.

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Nope, but I call female characters wearing bikinis in raids slutty. Oh and shiva's outfit.

Ooooh and that girl in the Halloween event who sticks her butt out with a thong of of all pervertedly stupid things, lol. I mean really SE?

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

To answer the OP's question - Rowena should dress however she'd like, though I wouldn't be opposed to more skin.

Rowena, if you choose to wear nothing at all, I want you to know that there's nothing wrong or shameful about your body, being proud of it or using it for its' intended purpose. My only request is that you please keep plenty of hand sanitizer at your counter.

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Guess the devs felt the same way, or Rowena herself liked your post. She's showing lots more skin XD

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Originally Posted by Amenian

That's revealing, not slutty. Those are not mutually exclusive. And my remark wasn't racist. I didn't make any statements about any race. I made a statement about a geographical region well known for oppressing females and viewing even the slightest bit of skin as not just "slutty", but a crime. I suggest you go find a dictionary before you water down the term racist any more than it already is.

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I wish I could throw you 1 Million likes. I can't comprehend how many times people confuse religion, culture and race - and lump them all together to mean ONE thing.

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Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

I was born and grew up in the Middle East and that statement is not really true.

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Apologies for going off-topic, but what I read from his post was how people convolute race and culture to mean one thing/define one type of people. It's to say all Mexicans are Catholic (not true) and all Middle Eastern people are Muslims (not true, there are Christians as well). That was his point. People clump religion, culture, race, nationality, etc. to mean ONE THING - which it isn't and shouldn't be classified to that degree as such.

Anyways...carry on...

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Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan

wait... are you denying this?

Perhaps slutty isn't the best word to describe it but they are certainly provocative, sexualized, and/or scantily clad. You can't possibly deny that.

I have no problem with it and give no sh*ts about it, but you can't deny that female NPCs do dress (some) in a revealing fashion.

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Ooh la la~~

http://i.imgur.com/ePL81qc.jpg

A slut is a girl/woman who has many sexual partners (obvious I know, but it seems some people don't know what the word means). How does Rowena wearing slightly revealing clothes make her a slut?