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Congratulations on admitting/providing the evidence to harassing another PC in game via MPKing them. I haven't thoroughly read through this thread, and you may have provided enough proof that they WERE botting, but I can't be bothered. All I see is someone violating the ToS by MPKing.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

defensive? no, but people always cry "bot" without any real proof other than "this person ignores me" or "this person follows me" or "this person is ALWAYS here." I was reported for fish botting in 11 AT LEAST twice a day. Now if you think about it, a lot of the 11 crowd is now on 14...do the math. We have A LOT of little boys who like to cry wolf.

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There's not just craft botting. There's also grinding on certain mobs. I've been in an area where one guy has spawn killed the majority of the mobs by me. Botters also like to go in caves and enclosed areas where they aren't so noticed. Not crying wolf but we would like some justice.

To the other people, there is a pack of 8 lalas on Lindblum that sit there and do nothing. All with

Sfdsfjl Jokjfs and Ljfasljkf Ljfjjfj as their names.... it's annoying. Play the ****ing game the right way, damn people....

To deny the existence of hordes of bots in this game is delusional at least, and actively ignorant at worst.
I recently had the pleasure of watching the promotional video of a pretty sophisticated bot program on youtube.
I guess they are promoting just for fun, despite there being no demand?

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Originally Posted by AngryNixon

That's not a bot. Sore Miun is a well respected Doblyn conservationist monitoring your activities damaging their natural habitat and slaughtering them without provocation. The real problem here is people like you sir. Have you no shame.

Doblyns are people too. Support your local Doblyn welfare agencies.

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lmao ..

Gleb vs Bot
4 : 0
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Originally Posted by ErnieKeebler

Congratulations on admitting/providing the evidence to harassing another PC in game via MPKing them. I haven't thoroughly read through this thread, and you may have provided enough proof that they WERE botting, but I can't be bothered. All I see is someone violating the ToS by MPKing.

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You do realize how he "MPK"'d them right? The bot was targeted and locked on him and followed him. It's not an MPK when the player actions are automated. I watched members of my LS do this in early release too and I fully support it.

Now, to play devil's advocate here a bit; If an actual player sitting at their PC locks onto you and follows you into a group of aggro mobs, it's still their own fault.

Admitting that you can't be bothered to read doesn't help your position either. Have some knowledge of the discussion before commenting on it - otherwise open wide and learn to enjoy the taste of your own shoe.

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Originally Posted by Gardemarine

Gleb vs Bot
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I don't know what's more amusing, the dead bot or the last line of your chat log. :D

Either way, good work. I'm expecting more good deeds like these.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

The Desperado made that same excuse, apperently he had a 6 year old who could craft for him for 50+ hours straight at a time, and thats why no one responded cuz he wasnt allowed to


anyone who uses that "my kids craft for me" is a 99% chance that they are botting and trying to use the excuse

start reporting them on a regular basis and watch how fast they get banned like desperado did

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Wait, they've finally started banning bots? Proof or it didn't happen.

Getting a 6 year old to concentrate on anything that's not on TV for more than 2 hours is a miracle.

To help with crafting botting I think they should just put in a validation, similar to what websites do to make sure there is a person at the keyboard.

Instead of selecting finnish at the end of a synth, bring up a combination of 4 random characters you have to type in to actually get the synth completed.

Up down up down X O Start!

Give you a 10 second time limit to put it in.

you fail, you lose the synth, I know this does not stop other forms of botting, but every element helps.

my 4 Year old will Game for an entire day If we let him(which we don't) He gets so zoned into it we have to peel him away kicking and screeming when his time is up.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

Wait, they've finally started banning bots? Proof or it didn't happen.

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that happened months ago
months and months ago

and kinda hard to prove a bot is banned cept for the fact they dont log in, at all anymore(he was also in my shell, so it was easy to notice when he was gone)

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Originally Posted by Tempestmoon

To help with crafting botting I think they should just put in a validation, similar to what websites do to make sure there is a person at the keyboard.

Instead of selecting finnish at the end of a synth, bring up a combination of 4 random characters you have to type in to actually get the synth completed.

Up down up down X O Start!

Give you a 10 second time limit to put it in.

you fail, you lose the synth, I know this does not stop other forms of botting, but every element helps.

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So make crafting more painful for legitimate people? Take a moment and think about how frustrating it would be for someone to have to type 4 random characters every synth for almost 300 synths (what it takes for 49-50 roughtly). What about people that use a keyboard only?

Crafting is tedious enough now as it is. Don't hurt legitimate players to combat botters.

That is the excuse everyone gives. But something needs to be done. It's the legitimate players that want things fixed, but you're not willing to accept anything that would mean an increase in keystrokes? Compared to XI, crafting is already pretty tedious to Legitimate players. It's involving. So stream line the current process, remove unnecessary confirmations and implement this idea, it would be even fast for crafters, not more tedious.

current process,

pick synth from the main menu,
click Recipes,
select recipe
click main hand,
click select
go through crafting process
click Finnish

possible process

Click synth from menu
click recipe /w main hand or off hand (small two option pop up)
go through synth process
type in 4 random char's provided

edit: (can be only directional and generic keys like up,down,left,right, selection key, or, have a setting in game that identifies who is using keyboard or controler to expand keys/buttons according.)


looks easier for "Legitimate players" to me, Sure you won't be able to watch movies while crafting, but why are you even playing a game you are not paying attention to anyway?

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Originally Posted by Tempestmoon

That is the excuse everyone gives. But something needs to be done. It's the legitimate players that want things fixed, but you're not willing to accept anything that would mean an increase in keystrokes? Compared to XI, crafting is already pretty tedious to Legitimate players. It's involving. So stream line the current process, remove unnecessary confirmations and implement this idea, it would be even fast for crafters, not more tedious.

current process,

pick synth from the main menu,
click Recipes,
select recipe
click main hand,
click select
go through crafting process
click Finnish

possible process

Click synth from menu
click recipe /w main hand or off hand (small two option pop up)
go through synth process
type in 4 random char's provided


looks easier for "Legitimate players" to me, Sure you won't be able to watch movies while crafting, but why are you even playing a game you are not paying attention to anyway?

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You have only 1 crafting job at above R20, the rest aren't even close to R20 and you haven't even touched 3 of them. You have yet to experience the hellgrind that is 40-50.

Come back to this thread after you've done that and then tell me how great of an idea this is. The problem with your idea is that you speak from theory and not experience.

Does not matter if I had 1 synth or a million synths and all the crafting classes at 50 It's the same process. Just repeated. My idea is faster per synth, regardless of what level, or rank you are.

Why does everyone revert to attacking experience and Rank when they don't like someones idea?

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Originally Posted by Tempestmoon

Does not matter if I had 1 synth or a million synths and all the crafting classes at 50 It's the same process. Just repeated. My idea is faster per synth, regardless of what level, or rank you are.

Why does everyone revert to attacking experience and Rank when they don't like someones idea?

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Because you don't know what you're talking about, basically. You're proposing an idea that actually makes it more of a grind to obtain ranks, when you haven't even gone through from 1-50 on a craft and experienced that grind in the first place.

Let's leave it at this - go post a thread and propose this idea with a poll. I'd be very interested to see how many people who actually craft like this idea.

Well maybe i will, and hopefully the rest of the community is not as close minded as you.

I think Tempestmoon's idea has merit, personally. I don't feel this would really impact me personally and I pretty much craft all the time.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

I think Tempestmoon's idea has merit, personally. I don't feel this would really impact me personally and I pretty much craft all the time.

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You don't think adding an unnecessary set of actions to an already tedious, drawn-out process would impact you at all?

I'd say Tempest should make a thread, so you guys can see how many people disagree with this idea. It does not need to happpen.

If anything, having to do the Konami code on a keyboard ruins my immersion!

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Originally Posted by ErnieKeebler

You don't think adding an unnecessary set of actions to an already tedious, drawn-out process would impact you at all?

I'd say Tempest should make a thread, so you guys can see how many people disagree with this idea. It does not need to happpen.

If anything, having to do the Konami code on a keyboard ruins my immersion!

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It wouldn't impact me because I wouldn't mind it. I'm hardly speaking for everyone, just my own opinions on it. I think it is something that should be discussed and brainstormed on. Perhaps the community can come up with something that serves the intended purpose but doesn't put off the players. It is worth looking into if only to help control the botting situation.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

that happened months ago
months and months ago

and kinda hard to prove a bot is banned cept for the fact they dont log in, at all anymore(he was also in my shell, so it was easy to notice when he was gone)

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Certainly seems odd that they're banning the bots no one knows about but ignoring the blatant ones then. All of the well known botters on my server are still shitting up the game.

I think you're just confusing a guy who decided to quit with a banned bot.

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Originally Posted by DoubleEcho

You have only 1 crafting job at above R20, the rest aren't even close to R20 and you haven't even touched 3 of them. You have yet to experience the hellgrind that is 40-50.

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What hell grind? I've took my BSM from 39.5 to 5k from 44 in the past two weeks doing nothing but leves, and that's with only taking 40+ BSM leves and using the rest on ARM. Took my ARM 36 to 38 since then too. Grinding crafts is a thing of the past.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

Certainly seems odd that they're banning the bots no one knows about but ignoring the blatant ones then. All of the well known botters on my server are still shitting up the game.

I think you're just confusing a guy who decided to quit with a banned bot.

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he wasnt an unknown bot on my server at the time, so i wouldnt say "the bots noone knows about"

this guy literaly got a few 50 crafts overnight, and then all his combat was being botted up while he gathered mats, it was pretty bad

and those of us in his LS saw him doing it, reported him, and got him banned


ALOT of the people not getting banned are cuz no ones reporting them, or cuz you people dont know how to report, telling the task force "hes a bot get him" doesnt say anything, people need to actualy detail out what they are doing so they know what they are looking at too

Gleb vs Bot
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bot +1 point for modification. Now he ceases to pursue the mob if he has HP <100%. I had to push him to the maximum distance Doblin. In this case, 10 minutes, he is replaced after with the location (42, 43) => location (43, 44) [Thanalan]. >.<

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Originally Posted by Xenor

What hell grind? I've took my BSM from 39.5 to 5k from 44 in the past two weeks doing nothing but leves, and that's with only taking 40+ BSM leves and using the rest on ARM. Took my ARM 36 to 38 since then too. Grinding crafts is a thing of the past.

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40-50 is just a little more than what it takes to get to 1-39 combined. 48-49 and 49-50 is (depending on the class as some get better recipes) about 300 completed synths each rank. It's certainly not something that's fun, but adding some kind of captcha type requirement after each completed synth wouldn't make it any better.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

And this is why we need a /tell chime like we had in XI. I do the same thing.

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I read and craft. If I don't respond it's because I'm getting to the Good Part~ :D

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Originally Posted by Tempestmoon

To help with crafting botting I think they should just put in a validation, similar to what websites do to make sure there is a person at the keyboard.

Instead of selecting finnish at the end of a synth, bring up a combination of 4 random characters you have to type in to actually get the synth completed.

Up down up down X O Start!

Give you a 10 second time limit to put it in.

you fail, you lose the synth, I know this does not stop other forms of botting, but every element helps.

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I think this is a great idea! Propose it on the forums itself if you haven't already. It would definately make the botting experience that much harder.

Don't listen to the other guy. I synth is a synth, just like grinding on mobs. The button combination shouldn't be long but like as you finish the synthesis, to complete it you have to type in the letter to finish. One or the other would be perfect. It's not that bad plus I think it's a great trade.

I don't think it matters how many different validations or challenges you put in for crafting, the developers of these bot utlities WILL find a way of adapting their software. It's just the nature of things.
It's the same as hacking, companies will get all this great security which looks wonderful on paper, but a determined hacker will eventually break it.

I hope SE realises this and doesn't put in extra steps to crafting, as it will make crafting take even longer to do for those who do play legitimately and put most people off crafting altogether (unless they bot).

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Originally Posted by TonyMontana

I like the(in the first screen shot) person in your LS saying they dont respond to their LS buddies while crafting because they have their kids crafting and they turn off all communications. Maybe I should do this i have 2 kids also!

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Hah, Ophelia's one of my best friends in-game and I can confirm this to be true, at least in her case (as you can see in the screenshot, I'm the one talking to her). I can't speak for these other people mentioned in this thread who say they have kids playing for them, though...

I hope you took my advice and reported it to the Special Task Force as well, Gleb!

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

if it really is a kid crafting for them for that many hours, there are bigger issues then botting

can we say child endangerment/abuse?

or is this one of those rmt sweat shops we are talking about here....maybe thats the case

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Yeah lol that can't be healthy for anyone.

I predict this thread will go on to be one more place for white knights to declare how this game doesn't have RMT and people with common sense come to rip their hair off because common sense doesn't reach them.

Economy is such a big problem in this game I'd almost rather have just NPC-sold stuff and no transactions between the players at all like in Monster Hunter3.

MW zealots (all three of them) want their MW that was already turned into a broken AH and AH wouldn't take away the hugely rampant RMT. The MW system and other gameplay hindrances SE implemented harm the players but they also get to play with a massive RMT population. There's just no way to win this fight.

XI with an AH has much less RMT or it might be because there's a lot more real players than bots in XI in relation to XIV it just seems like the problem isn't that obvious.

Also I'm horrified of the idea that somebody would buy XIV gil. Honestly how lazy can you be to stoop to such lows? You barely have to lift a finger to get the "needed" gear in this game.

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Originally Posted by Chrees

Hah, Ophelia's one of my best friends in-game and I can confirm this to be true, at least in her case (as you can see in the screenshot, I'm the one talking to her). I can't speak for these other people mentioned in this thread who say they have kids playing for them, though...

I hope you took my advice and reported it to the Special Task Force as well, Gleb!

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No, not written. I don't believe in "justice from above". Mentality. I created a topic for everything fun. I thank everyone who supported me on the forum and in the game. But I have no right hold a court. Bot has a very "clever." How he defines a mob's HP? This is not just a macro autoclicker. Intercept "packets"? I can write in support. I can describe in detail each bot's step and explained to "why". In russian language.xD

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Originally Posted by Gardemarine

No, not written. I don't believe in "justice from above". Mentality. I created a topic for everything fun. I thank everyone who supported me on the forum and in the game. But I have no right hold a court. Bot has a very "clever." How he defines a mob's HP? This is not just a macro autoclicker. Intercept "packets"? I can write in support. I can describe in detail each bot's step and explained to "why". In russian language.xD

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I don't know whats more sad and pathetic a Botter. Or the simple fact that you have been following a Computer for 4 days tracking every movement, taking screenshot's just for the fun of it? congratulations on stalking a computer pixel. For the sake of your own health and the health of others I suggest getting help fast.

In any case you see someone botting and have proof of it Report to task force and move on with your life.

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Originally Posted by Gardemarine

No, not written. I don't believe in "justice from above". Mentality. I created a topic for everything fun. I thank everyone who supported me on the forum and in the game. But I have no right hold a court. Bot has a very "clever." How he defines a mob's HP? This is not just a macro autoclicker. Intercept "packets"? I can write in support. I can describe in detail each bot's step and explained to "why". In russian language.xD

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instead of acting like a 10 year old and wasting your time..... report the person and move on, stop MPKing and stalking them...... There are ways to handle a situation, and yours is completely wrong.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

To the other people, there is a pack of 8 lalas on Lindblum that sit there and do nothing. All with

Sfdsfjl Jokjfs and Ljfasljkf Ljfjjfj as their names.... it's annoying. Play the ****ing game the right way, damn people....

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your getting bots confused with gold farmers

bots are creations that work on a set path , if you watch it run in the exact same circle 10 times in a row without it moving away to go get that other mob farther away then yes its a bot but if they follow you ? i think they just wanted to bother ya


or constantly do the same craft for 10+hrs straight cause you know what no sane person shoul dbe doing that get up and do some push ups or go for a jog then get back to your boring life of grinding a craft^^

I enjoyed the pics, and as far as 10 years olds go, I guess your only as old as some of the trolls that post on this forum. But Fair doesn't always mean equal......right?

Whats the score now?

lol

4 days to sit in the game, I could not at all desire, I'm working.
I'm not doing MPKing, I assigned the obnoxious bot toward that it does not bother me. And the topic at I did for fun. I admit - I have done multi bot killing. A bot can write upon me a complaint in support.

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Originally Posted by Gardemarine

4 days to sit in the game, I could not at all desire, I'm working.
I'm not doing MPKing, I assigned the obnoxious bot toward that it does not bother me. And the topic at I did for fun. I admit - I have done multi bot killing. A bot can write upon me a complaint in support.

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report them and move on

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Originally Posted by Adol

I don't think it matters how many different validations or challenges you put in for crafting, the developers of these bot utlities WILL find a way of adapting their software. It's just the nature of things.
It's the same as hacking, companies will get all this great security which looks wonderful on paper, but a determined hacker will eventually break it.

I hope SE realises this and doesn't put in extra steps to crafting, as it will make crafting take even longer to do for those who do play legitimately and put most people off crafting altogether (unless they bot).

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I don't think software can ready what's on screen right? Isn't that what they do on all those other sites?