Possible expansion SCH concern

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

WHM gets holy, stone I and II and aero I and II.

SCH gets ruin I and II, Bio I and II, Miasma I and II, Shadow Flare, Bane and Energy drain.

If you find it harder to solo with SCH than WHM, you are doing it wrong. You don't even have to heal yourself due to Embrace.

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ruin has a potency of 80, same with Ruin II, except it wastes a lot of MP for nothing. you can use 3 bane OR energy drains/min.
Stone II has more than 2x the potency of ruin, and Aero II ticks for half of ruin damage/2sec.
holy has potency of 200.
it takes a bit to stack up dots with sch, and it's not very strong, and mob probably dies before dots expire, so you're wasting lots of time with casting them.
it's not harder, it just takes several times longer; you could 2shot a pack of mobs with whm, while SCH is busy casting *insert dot* that takes 20sec to do its damage.

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Originally Posted by Sighearth

I would like a fairy that can attack, but i dont think we will get it since its not the nature of a fairy ( imagine a little fairy beating the *** out of you) but as soloing SCH does not need anything, we can solo pretty much anything ( just take a while) i think SCH needs some exclusive skills that makes WHM fill their crossclass slots too, SCH needs Swiftcast( as WHMs) but need protect, cleric stance, stoneskin... we need some must-have skills too and with the job's traits make some difference

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i dont think a fairy would fly around with a club, and beat stuff with it...maybe sprinkle fairy dust, that makes stuff melt? :)
yah that's the point...everything takes *a while*

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Originally Posted by XNihili

Except when you need a spike damage to kill the timed bombs that spawn together with the golem in Alexandrite maps, SCH have an easier time to solo stuff thant DPS. Slower but easier.

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which is why it would be nice with an attacking fairy, for SCH :)
if you're working on SCH atma relic, you kinda HAVE TO use SCH, so can't switch to some other DPS, to do it faster.

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Originally Posted by LyrioDC

I agree with this as well, I became a healer to heal...not to dps! :< I do agree that a male defense boosting fairy would be amazing! *^*

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i'm not suggesting to make SCH into a DD -.- but you DO need to deal damage, sometimes. or how did you get through the SCH job quests, or any other solo content?

New Scholar Fairy leaked!

Would be nice if they make the new fairy a damage mitigation pet. It would fit the sch play style pretty nicely.

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Originally Posted by Beyondgrave

Would be nice if they make the new fairy a damage mitigation pet. It would fit the sch play style pretty nicely.

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or they could add defense buff to Eos, since she already has magic resist buff.
they get skills at lv 1, 20, 40, and maybe 60.

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Originally Posted by XNihili

Except when you need a spike damage to kill the timed bombs that spawn together with the golem in Alexandrite maps, SCH have an easier time to solo stuff thant DPS. Slower but easier.

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Shadowflare+Bane+Miasma II kills them all outright except for one, which you can nuke down in a moment. Just drag golem to them for the bane, and the rest is cake.

Looks completely legit.







not.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

Shadowflare+Bane+Miasma II kills them all outright except for one, which you can nuke down in a moment. Just drag golem to them for the bane, and the rest is cake.

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why would you bane shadowflare?? it's already a static dot AOE, so you cant *spread it* and Miasma II is weak.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

why would you bane shadowflare?? it's already a static dot AOE, so you cant *spread it* and Miasma II is weak.

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For Alex maps, I solo'd all for novus on sch and never had a single issue. You put the dots on the golem (or one of the bombs) and then bane those + shadowflare on all + miasma 2. SCH is super easy to solo damn near anything in the open world including some peisteskin maps ... although you are gambling when attempting this. SCH has absolutely no need for dps fairy and would be kind of ridiculous to even consider adding one imo.

That said, I do agree with adding a new fairy if it can be balanced properly. Specifically, not making it so over powered for existing "harder" content. (i.e. doesn't break 2nd coil)

I think a viable option could be a fairy that has tp and mp regen spells? That would be interesting to me. This could open the door for harder dps checks where brd needs to either foe or no song and still provide much needed tp/mp in certain situations.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

why would you bane shadowflare?? it's already a static dot AOE, so you cant *spread it* and Miasma II is weak.

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You Bane because you should already have DoTs running on the golem.

You Shadowflare because it's a 250 potency AoE over 30 seconds and will tick while you do other things.

You Miasma II because it's worth it when you have multiple targets clumped up. The combined potency over 10 seconds is a win.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

You Bane because you should already have DoTs running on the golem.

You Shadowflare because it's a 250 potency AoE over 30 seconds and will tick while you do other things.

You Miasma II because it's worth it when you have multiple targets clumped up. The combined potency over 10 seconds is a win.

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you worded it as if shadowflare and miasma II would instantly kill the bombs.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

you worded it as if shadowflare and miasma II would instantly kill the bombs.

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I think you were the only one confused by the wording. The meaning was pretty obvious.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

I think you were the only one confused by the wording. The meaning was pretty obvious.

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usually what i write, makes perfect sense to me too, but not to others :)
"Shadowflare+Bane+Miasma II kills them all outright" yes pretty obvious.
i saw a SMN spend an entire dungeon run, casting only energy drain, and Miasma 2, and ruin...so i wouldn't know if you thought bane would work on shadowflare -.-

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Originally Posted by Radacci

usually what i write, makes perfect sense to me too, but not to others :)
"Shadowflare+Bane+Miasma II kills them all outright" yes pretty obvious.
i saw a SMN spend an entire dungeon run, casting only energy drain, and Miasma 2, and ruin...so i wouldn't know if you thought bane would work on shadowflare -.-

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Most people on forums seem to know at least basic class mechanics, so I didn't bother to stipulate the obvious (that your golem should have DoTs applied before you Bane).

Yes, some players really are that bad, but I try to give benefit of the doubt :P

I don't have a problem with them adding new fairies for the SCH but it is not like the summoner where it is built completely around the summons. I'm surprised the SCH even has a pet in this FF. While it would be cool, please dont expect the same level of pets to be released.

Assuming they do add another fairy or atleast another attack then perhaps they can give it something like contagion?carbuncle has a similar technique.

But that might be too op. It may be easier to implement a tank fairy.

to me sch is somewhat of a hybrid like warrior so i wouldn't see the problem with a dps fairy

The last thing a SCH needs is a DPS-fairy. Even as it is, SCH is incredibly powerful and able to contribute a ton of DPS while not neglecting the necessary amount of healing either (in the right micromanaging hands), when it comes to party-content.

Personally? If we were to get Helios, I'd like him to be a support/debuff-fairy of sorts as well. Something like a party-wide crit-aura for higher risk/reward running, some kind of a boss debuff similar to Storm's Eye and so forth. I don't really have any real, solidified ideas about what it could be, but something of that support ilk would be great.

God... some tard mentioned the following:
"WHM get Holy, so i don't see a problem with SCH getting a fairy that can attack..."

While we're at it! <sarcasm level=100%>
Scholars get fairies! Why don't White Mages get pets?!
Scholars have four DoTs and two direct damage spells while White Mages get two dots and two direct damage spells. In fact! Scholars get FIVE DoTs cross-classing Aero! MORE FOR WHITE MAGE PLOX
Scholars get AoE shielding and heals while White Mage AoE heals only heals! AoE stoneskin with it PLOX
Scholars get to shield after healing! Stoneskin combined with Cure II PLOX
Scholars can buff spell speed/skill speed or buff healing. Why can't White Mages do this? PLOXXXXXXXX
Scholar's Aetherflow has a 1 minute cooldown and shroud has two minutes! Also why doesn't Shroud give us 3 stacks?!?! PUUUUULOX

God this list could go on forever. I seriously hope some people realise what's wrong with all this compare X with Y issues.
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Scholars and White Mages both have their pros and cons. Some of you are comparing apples and pears! But when you combined them together they make an awesome smoothie! (or 2 other fruit, if you prefer :P)

It would be nice if we got a new fairy. We could even have a back story as to how we aquire our new friend.


It would be a shame if we where to be left out.

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Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

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the point was that ppl complain SCH shouldn't get any attacks, cause they are healer....well WHM is healer too, and good AOE DD. so saying that sch shouldn't get any attacks *cause healer* it's just silly argument.
your sarcasm is more like lv1: very crude.

Not a big fan, but a dps fairy may work as long as that fairy can't heal. By sacrificing healing/ support abilities SCH can have a dps fairy, but must work a bit hard at healing. In other words, it'll be like healing without a fairy. Do able with trash mobs, but difficult in boss battles

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Originally Posted by Radacci

the point was that ppl complain SCH shouldn't get any attacks, cause they are healer....well WHM is healer too, and good AOE DD. so saying that sch shouldn't get any attacks *cause healer* it's just silly argument.
your sarcasm is more like lv1: very crude.

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Both get their own set of damage dealing spells. White Mage AoE is more bursty, but not sustainable. Scholar AoE is still quite significant up to 4 targets, in fact and is more sustainable. White Mage cannot sustain single target DPS either if they are required to heal every now and then. Scholars are perfectly capable of being permanently in Cleric's Stance in a similar situation and deal sustained single target damage as well.

When done properly, Scholars deal 160 potency every 3 seconds on only DoTs where White Mage only deal 65 potency worth within the same time frame. Ruin (II) does not possess the same potency as Stone II. Energy Drain, however, does. Ruin II weaving with Energy Drain will out-do Stone II easily. A White Mage cannot keep casting Stone II either. Unlike a Scholar, who has a fairy with 300 potency heals every 3 seconds, 420 even with Rouse up and can toss out a lustrate when necessary.
In AoE situations, scholars can deal 170 potency every 3 seconds on just DoTs up to four targets and while spamming Blizzard II you'll do 50 potency worth of damage on each target with a mere 2 second casting time. Holy cannot be sustained, as mentioned before, due to the high MP cost. In practice you'll cast holy 4 or 5 times at most. After the 4th holy the stunlock starts being resisted and you have to start healing. A scholar can stay in cleric's stance for an extended period simply due to the fairy and lustrate. With some pulls with just the fairy even.

So that was some low level/low skill content, let's go to the higher level content:
Caster accuracy cap is at 471, meaning when Healers want to deal some damage in this case there's a good chance to miss. Interestingly enough, Bio and Bio II do not miss and neither does Bane when the DoTs are already applied. Stone, Stone II, Aero, Aero II, Fluid Aura and Holy can all miss and are MP inefficient compared to a scholar. White Mages are also more prone to depleting their MP. White Mages only get 1090 MP back every 2 minutes with Shroud while a Scholar can get 20% of their maximum MP back with just Aetherflow every minute. Any stack spend on Energy Drain recovers even more MP. Oh, and Holy in SCoB? That doesn't even get used because AoE is neglectable in turn 6 to 9. Ah but yes, because White Mage get a spell that's useful in more casual content, scholars should get something in the same Category. I mean, it's not like Scholars damage spells are more viable and/or reliable in SCoB than a White Mages... Right?

Stop comparing White Mages with Scholars, it's almost embarrassing to even retort to your whiny posts. Scholars have their obvious advantages with their skill-/spell set and so do White Mages.