Craft Specialization

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Originally Posted by Darium

I think that waiting is equally valid in both situations.

I think they should leave crafting alone and let those who want to level most crafts, do it.

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Not really, if you wait for an alchemist to make an item you won't get the item til later and you can still do whatever it is you were going to do that evening.

If you wait for the paladin you're stuck not doing what you had planned for the evening.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

But most MMOs don't have Local Leves where you can rank up your craft without incurred a cost out of your pocket as well as needing to repair gear, so its completely reasonable to say that in XIV we will have a larger amount of the playerbase with 1-3 crafts at the maximum level than that of any other MMO.

But like BloodLotus mentioned you'd still be able to obtain all your crafting classes to the final rank, just one will be mastered (have a star next to it let's say) that gives you additional recipes on top of the ones you already have and doesn't restrict you from any other craft. Something like this will rebalance the system and promote healthy economic growth.

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I disagree but i gotta go to work and back to the real world now.
See ya later all.

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

The example was for combat vs crafter debate.

I like your idea though... but I would like it if you only had access to one crafts facilities. That's the gist of this thread.

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Currently in FFXIV, a player can only have access to one crafter facility at a time.

But using my example, if you had access to the Twin Adder's Patriarch's Laboratory, you would not also be able to access the Immortal Flames Patriarch's Forge ... simply because you cannot be a member of both organizations at the same time.

With minor adjustments I believe we can leverage existing systems to achieve your goals.

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Originally Posted by Sorel

Currently in FFXIV, a player can only have access to one crafter facility at a time.

But using my example, if you had access to the Twin Adder's Patriarch's Laboratory, you would not also be able to access the Immortal Flames Patriarch's Forge ... simply because you cannot be a member of both organizations at the same time.

With minor adjustments I believe we can leverage existing systems to achieve your goals.

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Oooooh I get it!

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Originally Posted by Sorel

Currently in FFXIV, a player can only have access to one crafter facility at a time.

But using my example, if you had access to the Twin Adder's Patriarch's Laboratory, you would not also be able to access the Immortal Flames Patriarch's Forge ... simply because you cannot be a member of both organizations at the same time.

With minor adjustments I believe we can leverage existing systems to achieve your goals.

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I'd be much happier with a system like this as opposed to permanent specializations/masteries. This way a group of people (linkshell) could be self sufficient if they wanted to be, as you're much more likely to have members in all three companies.

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

Not really, if you wait for an alchemist to make an item you won't get the item til later and you can still do whatever it is you were going to do that evening.

If you wait for the paladin you're stuck not doing what you had planned for the evening.

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ok, I agree but what if the linkshell group needed that item to get into that dungeon?

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Originally Posted by Darium

ok, I agree but what if the linkshell group needed that item to get into that dungeon?

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I'd be a rich lala haha.. lots of ifs and buts maybe we'll see and maybe this will never happen.

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

I'd be a rich lala haha.. lots of ifs and buts maybe we'll see and maybe this will never happen.

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Once again, I agree but it is fun to speculate.

Anyway, time to rejoin the real world. Have fun everyone. :D

I agree, I'm enjoying the intelligent nonflamatory ideas/comments in this thread. But I'm also off to partake in the real world economy. Cya~

And if we really wanted to be bastardos/biatches ...

All facility use would have to be paid for with either Guild Marks or Company Seals, instead of just gil.

Any player for any given week can only earn X amount of Guild Marks, due to the fact that they can only be earned for guild-specific guildleves. A player that spreads his guildleves across three or four crafting classes will have less guild marks for each, and thus may not be able to take advantage of facilities that grant greater bonuses because they cost more marks. As opposed to a player that dedicates all of his guildleves to one craft and has a larger pool of guild marks to access the better facilities to allow the crafting of better items.

Again, that's if we want to be total pricks about this specialization thing. :p

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Originally Posted by Sorel

And if we really wanted to be bastardos/biatches ...

All facility use would have to be paid for with either Guild Marks or Company Seals, instead of just gil.

Any player for any given week can only earn X amount of Guild Marks, due to the fact that they can only be earned for guild-specific guildleves. A player that spreads his guildleves across three or four crafting classes will have less guild marks for each, and thus may not be able to take advantage of facilities that grant greater bonuses because they cost more marks. As opposed to a player that dedicates all of his guildleves to one craft and has a larger pool of guild marks to access the better facilities to allow the crafting of better items.

Again, that's if we want to be total pricks about this specialization thing. :p

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I would actually be completely ok with this idea (all facilities requiring marks and/or seals) and kind of like it. By itself, it would encourage specialization without enforcing it and gives us a use for all those darned marks.

Specialization will take care of itself in the future. The cap will not remain at 50. It will increase as the game progresses. With the current rate of progression <98K to 49> crafters will have to concentrate on one specialty just to keep up. Leveling other crafts will only be done in order to satisfy sub requirements for the main craft. The current system allows player to build a solid foundation for those subcrafts. The one thing I do not want to see is the system already in place in FFXI that forces you to remain in one craft til completion. This limits a p[layers ability to adjust to changing game and economic conditions.

I'm all for it as it takes away the botter advantage of having every craft ranked up. But I really think the cap should be 2 or 3 rather than 1. There's no need to copy XI 100%.

Bump because I like this idea.

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

Bump because I like this idea.

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Well it is your idea. I should hope you like it.

Too bad the thread that has the most reasoned debate and isn't full of personal attacks get's the least love. Such is life, I guess. The nice intelligent quiet boys never get the girl ...