Chat Bubbles (nerd-rage...ENGAGED!)

I really don't get why people are so adamant against the very idea of chat bubbles.

I mean, really really big stuff like open world dungeons, people are willing sacrifice their unborn children for.

A chat bubble that can be turned off? Get that mess outta here this ain't WoW!

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Originally Posted by Gardes

The task would be done by the UI department. I can't remember anything urgent at the moment that the UI devs have to work on, other than possibly the add-ons system that has been promised since way before launch, promised a couple patches after launch and hasn't come out since. If they're still not done working on it and isn't already on last testing phase, the question would be whether they ever actually worked on it instead. Didn't see people up in arms on that. Didn't really see people up in arms when SE worked on adding glamour bikinis when they have nothing to do with gameplay either.

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Perfectly fine in that regard then. If the UI department are the people solely in charge of it and have nothing better to do, then so be it; chat bubbles for all.

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Originally Posted by TheUltimate3

I really don't get why people are so adamant against the very idea of chat bubbles.

I mean, really really big stuff like open world dungeons, people are willing sacrifice their unborn children for.

A chat bubble that can be turned off? Get that mess outta here this ain't WoW!

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The best part is that we already have them, for NPC's.

It's also highly entertaining that anyone would be against them from an immersion perspective. I would find it more immersive to just read the chat over someones head in the world than stare at a chat box.

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

The best part is that we already have them, for NPC's.

It's also highly entertaining that anyone would be against them from an immersion perspective. I would find it more immersive to just read the chat over someones head in the world than stare at a chat box.

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They're no more or less immersive than a chat window.
You don't see chat bubbles above people's heads in real life when you speak, nor do you have a chat window to read it either.
The immersion argument is silly really.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

They're no more or less immersive than a chat window.
You don't see chat bubbles above people's heads in real life when you speak, nor do you have a chat window to read it either.
The immersion argument is silly really.

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Slapping ye olde IRL argument on it doesn't make it any less immersive when no spoken dialogue is being used.

In real life you would hear someones voice from their mouth or see written text from someone mute. PC's and most NPC's in this game don't have voices. This attaches a location and body to those words.

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Originally Posted by Celes_Chere

so instead of the chatbox, a perfectly good chatbox, a perfectly good chatbox similar to ffxi.

you want chat bubbles to pop up over people's heads so you can read where the chat came from cause its that important to you. because you have to be looking at that player. because you want to be scoping out their character. because you have to know where that player is standing at that very moment, whether it be near or far.

so when you have a dozen people around you all chatting. all you see is chat bubbles?

No.

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Lol, that was interesting. 10/10

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Originally Posted by DenariusJay

it does help with immersion

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Care to elaborate on how a floating chat bubble is going to improve immersion?

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

Slapping ye olde IRL argument on it doesn't make it any less immersive when no spoken dialogue is being used.

In real life you would hear someones voice from their mouth or see written text from someone mute. PC's and most NPC's in this game don't have voices. This attaches a location and body to those words.

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This just in: Immersion obsessed players demand VOIP protocol with built in voice morphers for their MMOs.

More at 11.

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Originally Posted by Pyreflye

Care to elaborate on how a floating chat bubble is going to improve immersion?

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It was already stated several times on this thread.

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Originally Posted by Mogi

Nooo lol i can see them in hunts it be the end of the world lol

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You could just leave it off then.

I would love to see this feature myself. It won't happen but I think it would add a cool Final Fantasy 9 feel to the game.

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Originally Posted by Titor

This just in: Immersion obsessed players demand VOIP protocol with built in voice morphers for their MMOs.

More at 11.

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Darn! I was gana suggest that!

I'm gonna say yes, but only if they make it where you can't turn it off.

/evilgrin

@Topic: If we actually had an option to enable/disable it, I think it would be reasonable and would make both sides happy. If not, then I'd suggest to never implement this screen-nightmare D:

PS3 limitations

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

PS3 limitations

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Oooh, how edgy and original of you, go back to last year, that comment is old.

Nooooooooo

I'm awesome!

Hmmm....it seems to be missing something.

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Originally Posted by Darki

I'm awesome!

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Ahh much better!

It's not so much 'console limitations' as it is that they can be disruptive. Chat bubbles were the dominant means of chatting in the PS2 game Phantasy Star Universe, and even had an interesting system where the same chat bubbles, like exact same, would merge into larger bubbles. The problem is that chat bubbles work great in single player games, but when you get 2-3 dozen people all chat-bubbling it up at the same time... in the same area, you get alot of screen space blocked by chat bubbles. Anyone who's played PSU can tell you how bad that can get. Especially the larger chat bubbles, those could grow to fill the whole screen.

Wow so many "I don't want it so no one should have it" comments...

If it will ever be added I bet it will have a toggle, why shoot it down when it doesn't affect you (if you don't turn it on)?

I vote FOR chat bubbles. You guys talk as if chat bubbles ruin games, you forget FFXIV is not the first online game and that countless MMORPG have chat bubbles in them, and guess what, they are not abused or misused.

A chat bubble will be nice to have.

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Originally Posted by Celes_Chere

so instead of the chatbox, a perfectly good chatbox, a perfectly good chatbox similar to ffxi.

you want chat bubbles to pop up over people's heads so you can read where the chat came from cause its that important to you. because you have to be looking at that player. because you want to be scoping out their character. because you have to know where that player is standing at that very moment, whether it be near or far.

so when you have a dozen people around you all chatting. all you see is chat bubbles?

No.

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I have no idea why I laughed at this so much lol..

No thanks...

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Originally Posted by DenariusJay

The point of this thread is just to remind the devs we still want them.

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Well, if by we you mean the community of the game as a whole, this thread would indicate we don't, by about a 2:1 margin so far.

I'm not against the option per se, but I am aware of the strain it would place the engine under (esp the PS3 version) because even things like adding titles to names is a significant change as far as performance goes. This is orders of magnitude more taxing.

Also, I'd rather devs spent more time on other things.

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Originally Posted by Aegis

I'm not against the option per se, but I am aware of the strain it would place the engine under (esp the PS3 version) because even things like adding titles to names is a significant change as far as performance goes. This is orders of magnitude more .

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They can just not give the option to ps3 players at all like they did with the merged inventory.

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Originally Posted by Aegis

Well, if by we

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Judging by the posts, by "we" he implies him, the people who liked the OP, and the people who posted in the BETA forums.

I agree with the OP. Me and the OP are "we". :D

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Originally Posted by Razzle

Judging by the posts, by "we" he implies him, the people who liked the OP, and the people who posted in the BETA forums.

I agree with the OP. Me and the OP are "we". :D

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Well 'we' (the larger community) don't. But that's not reflected in the OP anywhere. Seems a bit dishonest to imply the community as a whole is in favour of it, where the only available evidence is that more people are not in favour of it.

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Originally Posted by Edli

They can just not give the option to ps3 players at all like they did with the merged inventory.

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Well, then in that case I'd rather they didn't spend a great deal of dev time for a function that would only be used by a portion of a portion of the playerbase.

chat bubbles remind me of korean chibi style MMOs...

Yees I want it Even if I only could see friends chat bubbles or fc members. Id be satisfied if it only worked in residental areas cause I like roleplaying in my house. I vote aye!

Know what would be cool? Message windows popping up whenever you get a tell. You know, like in good old instant messengers. You can move them around or minimize them if they are in the way. I think it makes conversation a lot more easier and much more enjoyable than the tell chat. It probably won't ever get implemented but I love the concept.

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Originally Posted by Ilitsa

Oooh, how edgy and original of you, go back to last year, that comment is old.

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Don't get all testy with me because of the truth.

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Originally Posted by Kyoskai

It's not that they don't want the specific feature, it's that they don't want precious new content and fun stuff to be pushed back even a millisecond.

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I nearly choked on my coffee at that......

Fun stuff? From SE? Since when? SE knows how to add grind, not fun.

And nope we cant have chat bubbles because they've broken every MMO that ever had them..... not.

Been in plenty of MMO's that had em, and know what... it was all fine. If you liked em, turn em on, if not, turn em off. Gamebreaking problem? Not in the least, despite people here who like to claim it would ruin the game.

It wouldnt.

SE wont do it though because they're too busy developing more grind to remove the fun from the game. Thats about all they're good for really, taking an awesome concept that would be fun, adding enough grind to remove the fun part, and adding it into game.

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Originally Posted by Gardes

The task would be done by the UI department. I can't remember anything urgent at the moment that the UI devs have to work on

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They have much more urgent matters to work on than a bubble chat system. Every update that even alters or adds those little guide tips is done by the UI team - Every major update tend to add new boss elements, maybe even new elements to your menu (definitely for the new class/jobs) or in the case of 2.4, rogue/ninja stuff, that's part of the UI team as well, which is far more important.

They said during beta the main problem is rendering and that it's largely unnecessary and will focus on using it for NPCs.

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Originally Posted by Austherus

"Meaningful" is subjective.

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It is - However Coil is progression content, so you can't really say it's meaningless unless you can show me where else you get current ilvl cap gear?

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

The best part is that we already have them, for NPC's.

It's also highly entertaining that anyone would be against them from an immersion perspective. I would find it more immersive to just read the chat over someones head in the world than stare at a chat box.

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NPCs aren't players - All they're doing is pulling up pre-scripted text in a bubble graphics every x amount of seconds/when a player is in a certain distance. That's a farcry from the constant chatter and much more rendering it'll take for hundreds of players. So it does exist for NPCs, and much easier to render since it's just pulling up dialog table entries on a set pattern.

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Originally Posted by Aegis

Well, then in that case I'd rather they didn't spend a great deal of dev time for a function that would only be used by a portion of a portion of the playerbase.

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I don't know, people seem to love merged inventory so SE doesn't agree with you there and I'm glad they don't.

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Originally Posted by Edli

I don't know, people seem to love merged inventory so SE doesn't agree with you there and I'm glad they don't.

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Really? Most people I know aren't even aware it's a thing until I tell them.

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Originally Posted by Aegis

Really? Most people I know aren't even aware it's a thing until I tell them.

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Yeah, so in the argument of what is/isn't worth it, this is more the fact SE did nothing to make it obvious outside of the update notes.

And it seems some people don't know how bad chat bubbles got in Phantasy Star Universe, either. Especially if there was a dev or GM around. ESPECIALLY if it was a dev. And that it was a PS2 game. You know, that ancient system everyone blamed all the ills of XI on, yet XI is still getting PS2 expansions in Japan even though people claim it can't handle any more. Yeah, where's your console limitations now.

One word: vulgarity.

i vote yes

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

NPCs aren't players - All they're doing is pulling up pre-scripted text in a bubble graphics every x amount of seconds/when a player is in a certain distance. That's a farcry from the constant chatter and much more rendering it'll take for hundreds of players. So it does exist for NPCs, and much easier to render since it's just pulling up dialog table entries on a set pattern.

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Slippery slopes are not arguments.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

They have much more urgent matters to work on than a bubble chat system. Every update that even alters or adds those little guide tips is done by the UI team - Every major update tend to add new boss elements, maybe even new elements to your menu (definitely for the new class/jobs) or in the case of 2.4, rogue/ninja stuff, that's part of the UI team as well, which is far more important.

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No one is asking this to be a top priority. All we're asking for is a 'yes' and the work for it to be slotted somewhere reasonable in SE's work schedule. I wouldn't even think of trying to put this feature's importance above something like add-ons or ui elements for new jobs or raids. Take for example, hairstyles and lvl1 glamour gear. The people working on it can be put into working more on serious endgame content modelling enemies, gears, or whatever else. But they're still coming, and people are still asking. I don't think anyone is asking these to be put above something like coil or even assuming that the people asking for it are thinking that way, save for a few special cases people.

Also, I would like to point out that name plates has the same filter feature. When you point out that having lots of people on your screen and seeing a lot of them talk with chat bubble will obstruct your view, the same can be said with name plates. Going to a mass gathering like hunts, behemoth and odin fate, your view can literally be blotted out by these name plates moving all over the place and distract you from just about anything you're trying to do in these events. But hey! You can turn off these random players's obnoxious name plates, titles, fcs from your screen! That's what we want with chat bubbles too! At this point if you just come in to the thread to repeat that you are afraid of obstruction/distraction/annoyance, you are just trying to make yourself heard while refusing to listen to others.

I'm with the OP.

Chat bubbles or gtfo.