Yoshi P - Please Switch Daily Hunt FATE NM to be a Random B Rank Mob.

Delete FATEs from the game and make everything that uses them use rank B marks instead.

Or at least adjust FATEs to not be completely terrible, like make them spawn in a set pattern instead of making me watch the same few FATEs popping over and over while I wait for the one I need, or add permanent map markers for every FATE that say how long until that specific FATE is going to pop again.

I approve this thread

Don't forget to give the B ranks a 2 hour respawn time after making them part of the daily hunts instead of the fate bosses.

So people learn that the FATE is not the problem here, but the respawn time

why not use the leves system, and update it.
when you get your bounty, the mark that allows the target to spawn appear somewhere random and player must find it. when the player find it, he can slay the target. will feel more like hunt.
you can even added group and alliance bounty like this, allowing the systeme to become more deep. and like this not need to keep the daily/weekly stuff, since the leves system have a certain number of autorisation per day. like this people have the freedom to hunt them target when they have time. they can do it every day or simply way the week end and do it with him friend.

the daily/weekly system is really bad, they need to try to make it more userfriendly. the leves system allows you more freedom, if you can't play for 1 week? it's ok, you still have your leves available when you can play. over the fact to be forced to do them everyday.

I've almost completely given up on the FATE bosses. There's been one each time that just never spawn, and it's gotten to the point that I've decided I won't miss those seals. I also agree that going out and finding them is a lot more fun than waiting for a spawn.

As I waited and waited for a fate I was worried about missing, I kept thinking of all the other things I could have done during that entire time of sitting around doing nothing.

I just want the fates to occur more quickly. Anything that requires a fate should not take so long.

I actually agree here. The FATE bosses are a tremendous time sink. In the time it takes to get one, I could kill 5+ B ranks.
Maybe as a compromise, instead of TWO fate bosses, make one fate boss and one B rank.

This is a brilliant idea and a good way to make use of all the lonely B ranks standing around doing nothing, while getting rid of the "waiting for fates to pop" game.

Agree 100% with OP. Fates are already a part of almost anything you want to do. They don't need to be part of hunts. Who would have though using hunt marks in daily hunts would make sense.

Also something to add to it. WHY ARENT HUNTS IN THE CHALLENGE LOG?

There a several things I go out of my way to do each week just to get the extra reward for completing the challenge log. Daily hunts need their own section. Say finish 5 stacks of daily bills to receive a bonus 50 seals for the week. That would be great if the fates are changed to B's. But would even make waiting for fates to pop bearable. If i knew after doing these all for 5 days there were another 50 seals waiting for me.

Yes please! /signed

@ Black91,

I'd just be glad if the Dev Team did the quick and easy change for B Rank NMs to replace the FATE NMs.

Messing with A Ranks entails other categorical issues (messing with all A Ranks and then the whole regular Hunt system gets affected). That can be a separate discussion / issue to tackle later.

Thanks.

Not every FATE bosses have a long spawntime. The Crystal Tower FATEs still spawn really fast. Also the beastmen dailies FATEs.

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

Agreed. Replace daily fate marks with additional B's. And changing the weekly to an A would make more sense.

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I wouldn't mind B's being added to the daily hunts. But making A's the mobs for weekly is a big NO. that would totally defeat the
purpose of the change. Don't force people back into the zerg. Anybody that thinks that is a good idea was part of the problem
in the first place. The system has balance to it now. You can still make more seals but hunting the non-bill marks, but you have to
also not ignore the Bills all together. The people that don't have time to play the non-bill marks are no longer being run over by the zerg.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

Delete FATEs from the game and make everything that uses them use rank B marks instead.

Or at least adjust FATEs to not be completely terrible, like make them spawn in a set pattern instead of making me watch the same few FATEs popping over and over while I wait for the one I need, or add permanent map markers for every FATE that say how long until that specific FATE is going to pop again.

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Just because you don't like a certain piece of content does not mean everybody feels the same. You never ask for content to be removed from a MMO.
I wish they would add Hamlet defense to all Outposts with crystals and have us have to defend them or have the crystal destroyed and have the crafters have to
rebuild them. Also have gathers have to gather something to keep them running. the more charged a crystal is the less it cost to teleport to, have uncharged crystals cost more.
could also let us build atheral gates like in 1.0 at hamlets that can only be teleport to from the main crystal it is tied and vise versa.

4 Seals x 5 Daily Mob Packs x 7 Days
25 Seals x 5 Weekly B Ranks

265 Seals total a week, it's less than the potential 274 we have now but i already missed 3 of the 4 possible FATE bosses from this week cause they didn't spawn when i was not in duty.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

4 Seals x 5 Daily Mob Packs x 7 Days
25 Seals x 5 Weekly B Ranks

265 Seals total a week, it's less than the potential 274 we have now but i already missed 3 of the 4 possible FATE bosses from this week cause they didn't spawn when i was not in duty.

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What are you trying to say? the red numbers are not inline with reality.
daily hunt nets 32 seals x 7 and the weekly B rank is 50 = 274

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Originally Posted by Haibel

What are you trying to say? the red numbers are not inline with reality.

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that's how they should change it.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

that's how they should change it.

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Never short yourself. I really don't have a problem with the fate content being in there. But why not ask for
getting rid of the weekly all together and have it 5 Seal x 5 daily packs and 15 seals x 1 daily B rank =40 x 7 days= 280

Great idea OP! Please make this happen SE!

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Originally Posted by Haibel

Never short yourself. I really don't have a problem with the fate content being in there. But why not ask for
getting rid of the weekly all together and have it 5 Seal x 5 daily packs and 15 seals x 1 daily B rank =40 x 7 days= 280

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because dailies are terrible for people that can't get online everyday.

2 people who can play 14 hours a week
one of them does it 2 hours a day for 7 days.
another does 7 hours a day on the weekends.

if everything is a daily bill the 2nd person gets royally screwed even though they put in the same exact effort. it's bad enough they don't get to do the same amount of Beast Tribe quests and they can't take advantage of Roulette bonuses as often.

and sometimes people just want to binge. if someone wants to hunt a bunch of Bs in a row, why not let them?

Weekly Bills give more flexibility.

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Originally Posted by Adler

Fates can be forced to spawn.

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Please, do tell how you "forced" a specific FATE to spawn.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

because dailies are terrible for people that can't get online everyday.

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But that's the entire reason why dailies exist. Their entire purpose is simply to give players who otherwise wouldn't have a reason to log on every day a reason to do so.

It doesn't matter what systems are in place. If person A has less time to play than person B, person A will never ever be able to progress as quickly as person B. You can ask the devs to hire Stephen Hawking to think of a way to make time move slower for casuals, but it probably isn't gonna happen as long as we're trapped in this dimension.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

because dailies are terrible for people that can't get online everyday.

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What about the players who can only log in once every 2 weeks? Or those that have to serve in the military, and can only log in after their tour? etc. The list goes on. By your reasoning we need to cater to the longest lapse of time case to be fair to everyone.

The way around that would be to have something like amassing the # of Guildleves you can accept at any time. So essentially over the course of a week (7 Days) you can amass up to "7 Stacks of Bills" worth of credit to pull at your own leisure. Those that can play every day get their Dailies, those can only log in once a week can pull all 7 Stacks of Bills when they want.

But that's an extra layer that really doesn't need to be brought up at this time. The proposed fix is a huge improvement from what we have now (swapping FATE NMs with Random B Rank NMs), and could be implemented very quickly.

Something that would be more amenable and something we could see done very soon if the Dev Team was open to it and we got enough support.

Thanks.

you do realize that it the same system than the leves? it's more easy for them to do this that you think.
we are all ok for say that the fate boss are no good for dailies and weekly. however, we must admit that the dailies/weekly stuff hurt too, it's as much bad, if we ask for change, don't simply talk of a band aid.
but let's give them true idea for make this feature far better and more enjoyable for everybody around!
because i'm sorry, but even if they change the fate boss for Rank B, for me (and i'm not alone on this i'm sure) the Hunt stay a feature broken and that need rework or be remove from the game.

a content in a mmorpg, that create tension in the community leading player to insult each other or simply allows a very small part of the playerbase to enjoy it... it's not good!
people want to hunt, yes! we all want to hunt! but actually, even if they change the dailies and weekly, it don't change the fact... that the hunt it's only for an elite! because people have asked for open world content... we did get it!
look the result! the community had never been soo toxic than now!

i will never say it enough, the hunt can be something grand, that can offer a very high level of challenge if they work in this way. but actually it's instant gratification and toxic for the community. the fact that people defend it amaze me and scare me at the same time. because it means people are happy with a feature that it's still in larvae states.

ps: believe me in 2 month they can change a lot the game, i have seen it while the beta and i'm sure they have the people for it. now the question it's this: do they have the will to make the hunt something that can rivalize with raid in terms of challenge. and offer to the player another way to enjoy the game with a new type of endgame or do they simply want to let this feature rot and die without even try to make it better.


BAND-AID PATCH IS NOT ENOUGH!!! REWORK THE HUNT!

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

It doesn't matter what systems are in place. If person A has less time to play than person B, person A will never ever be able to progress as quickly as person B.

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since when is 14 hours less than 14 hours? read what i wrote again please.

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Originally Posted by Kiara

But that's an extra layer that really doesn't need to be brought up at this time..

Something that would be more amenable and something we could see done very soon if the Dev Team was open to it and we got enough support.

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are you implying multiple weekly bill marks is too complicated and can't be done soon?

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

the Hunt stay a feature broken and that need rework or be remove from the game.

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as much as i want to see changes made, that conclusion doesn't make sense to me. why does it have to be removed?

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

because dailies are terrible for people that can't get online everyday. Ect..

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To say it like that is taking the context of more off a hardcore completionist type of player. I look at it as the opposite.
I don't play hardcore because I don't have the time. Dailies are great for me. I get some seals everyday, when I log in.
do a run in ST and try and get something I want. Send my retainers out. maybe do a roulette and log out. Sometimes
I don't get on as often and that's my loss. Dailies work as intended as a way for casual players to make progress without
having to spent 8 hours a day in game.

like said before, any content that create tension between player and are usefull only to a small part of he playerbase it's a failure, the rework is needed on many point for make it a decent feature.
removed it was a bit strong, anyway, let's be honest...this feature only create more trouble in the community, worst it's only rewarding hardcore gamer, because if you can only do the dailies and weekly, it will take you more of 6 weeks at do it everyday for get a weapon, when an hardcore gamer will get it in no time.

the inbalance in this feature are too big for be let like this. i'm sorry but that not the band-aid patch we don't stop to get that will change this. they really need to balance the stuff before offer like this content that can be exploited to the point to make the game a joke.

i had prefer they had wait the 2.4 for put the hunt with more work and thinking before give this farce to us!

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Originally Posted by Haibel

Dailies work as intended as a way for casual players to make progress without
having to spent 8 hours a day in game.

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indeed dailies work fine for someone that play little, but let be honest by using the same system than the leves you will have the freedom to say: "today i don't do hunt, but that ok in two day i can do the hunt of the day i haven't done it." it will offer more control on your playtime and how you will spend it.

you can even say, i don't do hunt the week and saturday i will burn all my hunt of the week! it give you the choice!
dailies have a big flaws, let's take the tribes quest, more day you miss, more later you will have to wait for finish the fame. that the same point, by adding a system a la leves, you can miss day of play without feel like you did loose day.

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Originally Posted by Rikkustrife

should make all 5 dailies rank Bs, instead of regular mobs as well, it's more fun searching anyways

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I actually love this idea. Make all the dailies Bs.

I don't mind the occasional fate assignment, but the spawn times were terrible. I also got the Capricious Cassie fate, what a nightmare to try and solo...constant aggro from other marbols while fighting cc was hectic. If they could move some of those other marbols away it'd be a little better. . Lucky my spouse was near and came to help pull them off while I killed the fate.

I would like some way to "double up" the dailies.

At 50, levequests just stockpile and go unused.

Why can't we just be allowed to spend levequest allowances to boost/multiply daily rewards?

How about allowing you to spend 10 Leves to buy 1 Elite Bill?

Changing the daily marks to all B's instead of normal mob + FATES from Hell is a great idea. The way it is now, after the first day, B's are simply ignored. I shed a tear everytime I pass one. They used to be popular - now, nobody pays them any attention. It's gotta be crushing for their self esteem!

Another day and this still a good idea.

I agree. I enjoyed getting my B rank done for the week. It felt like a hunt, but nope can't do that for another week. I don't care about the fate hunts, not at all worth waiting for a spawn.

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Originally Posted by Haibel

Sometimes I don't get on as often and that's my loss. Dailies work as intended as a way for casual players to make progress without having to spent 8 hours a day in game.

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why does it have to be a loss? what is the harm in letting someone doing 5 bills when they want to do it instead of forcing people to log in for a short time every day?

nothing about 5 Weekly Bills says you need to spend 8 hours a day in game. you can do it over 5 different days if you want to.

i hate being forced to turn the TV on at 9 PM every Monday night for a show, why do you like systems that force people to do things when a different system allows both options?

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Originally Posted by Ulathskullsplitter

Another day and this still a good idea.

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another day, another 2 FATEs missed. since Tuesday i've gotten 1 of the 6 Daily FATEs. the other 5 were never up when i was able to play and not inside an instance.

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Originally Posted by Naberrie

I actually love this idea. Make all the dailies Bs.

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But only if the devs don't change the respawn time for daily boss marks.
If spawn time of a FATE boss would be 2 hours, B rank spawn time should be also 2 hours. And reduce the reward of B rank from 50 allied seal to 10 allied seal.
Because, you know ..., balance.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

why does it have to be a loss? what is the harm in letting someone doing 5 bills when they want to do it instead of forcing people to log in for a short time every day?

nothing about 5 Weekly Bills says you need to spend 8 hours a day in game. you can do it over 5 different days if you want to.

i hate being forced to turn the TV on at 9 PM every Monday night for a show, why do you like systems that force people to do things when a different system allows both options?

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It is a video game, nothing is forced on anyone. There are plenty of alternatives.

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Originally Posted by Felis

But only if the devs don't change the respawn time for daily boss marks.
If spawn time of a FATE boss would be 2 hours, B rank spawn time should be also 2 hours. And reduce the reward of B rank from 50 allied seal to 10 allied seal.
Because, you know ..., balance.

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Dailies, five of them, that could pop anywhere on a map on a 2 hour re-pop timer? The whole idea of making the Bs dailies is that you are not required to be on line all day to catch a rare FATE, and you want to make the Bs the exact same conditions, but instead of 2, make it 5? This also assumes no one else kills the marks, pushing back the timer on you. It could take all day to find one mark. That makes no sense.

We're trying to figure out a way that people with small playtime windows can accomplish something, not make it impossible.

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Originally Posted by CYoung187

It is a video game, nothing is forced on anyone. There are plenty of alternatives.

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really? Alternatives to Allied Seals seem very limited to me. want to list the plenty?

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Originally Posted by CYoung187

It is a video game, nothing is forced on anyone. There are plenty of alternatives.

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it's the same than: it's a video game, nothing force you to play it.
it's irrevelant, if an activity it's reserved at an elite or a small number, this activity into a mmorpg need to be changed for allows more person to take part into it.
in the case of the hunt, it's worst since it wall behind time and respawn. Rank B can be used as there are not for take place of all the dailies.

but it it was me, the dailies will be changed into leves quest, no limitation other than the number of allowance you have! and the rank A and S must be tune down in reward and have the respawn reduce greatly for appear 2-3 time a day, for allows more people to see it.