Vote for a EU server in EU

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Originally Posted by Adelphe

r, you'd have to get rid of private chambers, houses , everything .

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Actually data center chaos is already set up for European people, moving this one to EU will not change anything for us, expect a lower latency. ^^

how much in subscription fees did they get already from EU players?

20 million $?
30 million $? 50?

they take their money but they treat their EU customers 2nd class.

some say it doesn't make much difference in latency,
but i think NA players are quite happy with their servers not being thousands of miles away.

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Originally Posted by Phe

how much in subscription fees did they get already from EU players?

20 million $?
30 million $? 50?

they take their money but they treat their EU customers 2nd class.

some say it doesn't make much difference in latency,
but i think NA players are quite happy with their servers not being thousands of miles away.

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Servers are on the East coast to compromise with EU and NA- East coasters of NA are happy I'm sure (Of the 5 east coasters of NA I asked to ping they averaged 25 MS). West coasters have a very similar delay to what is being reported in this thread for EU, 100-150.

Not all of NA won out from it XD.

I play from the EU region and I agree, but at this point I wouldn't want to change servers due to how much I love the NA server I'm on. Also, they fixed something in terms of how frequently the servers read client-side inputs, and ever since then I haven't had serious issues with the unforgiving fights like Titan HM/EX and latency.

Ping for myself is fine (UK), I am generally around 80-100ms.

But yes, EU servers should be... in well in Europe. It blew my mind when I was told and confirmed for myself that they're in Montreal. There should at-least be a warning to European players that there are no actual European servers.

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Originally Posted by SongJoohee

Ping for myself is fine (UK), I am generally around 80-100ms.

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Oh that's really great from UK ! Do you have some tips to share ? ;___;

I have around 100ms from The Netherlands with WTFast, around 120-130ms without it. However, WTFast does eliminate almost all of the spikes I get.

As for servers physically in the EU, they'd likely have to create new servers for that, considering there are quite a lot of non-EU people on the current 'EU' servers as well.

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Originally Posted by SeleneVenizelos

Do you struggle with content at all? Like, really struggle? Do you get noticeable lag? I have better ping in the UK than most of my American friends close to the server. I ask this of most people who ask for an EU server because the majority ask for the sake of it, not because we really need it.

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If you get hit by titan's big attack (forgot the name) that lands in the middle of the platform, while you on your screen are nearly jumping off. Is that noticeable enough? How about trying to heal straight after running? suddenly your heal stops midway cause the game think you are still running.

So yea, its noticeable and quite frankly really annoying since i need to force myself sometimes to do a half second of nothing so the game can catch up.

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Originally Posted by Etupa

Actually data center chaos is already set up for European people, moving this one to EU will not change anything for us, expect a lower latency. ^^

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Are u saying that SE plans to move the chaos data center to EU eventually or it is already in EU?

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Originally Posted by Etupa

...does it changes anything if SE put a server in EU ? You can still play NA or even JP...

Why this kind of request is bothering you ?

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My guess: some NA players, knowing the EU datacenter is in same location as NA, gone in EU servers to avoid all the competition there is in NA servers, and if the datacenter goes EU for real, they kiss goodbye the latency they now are saying it is not an issue, and cry hard this does not have to happen.

now this is the reason why I dont get as bad lag as I used to when I was attempting Titan HM, now is a piece of cake that fight....I was wondering what changed even if my ilvl 90 gear I dont get hit that bad if not by my own fault.. Only Titan EX is a struggle but not much due to lag anymore, with some exceptions now and then...If this is why I have a better time then I used to ....is WHAOOO lol...from 240ms down to 100 to 120 is heaven..

Mei

Is there a way to improve ping to the eu server? I live in the UK and when ever I do titan extreme on my screen im clearly out of the plume but I still get hit by it, my friend has the exact same issue. You can even see his dead body clearly out of the way of the plume when the server catches up.

I think there are programs u can run to redirect your connection, but whether SE allows there use i dont know

Any third party program that meddles between the game client and the servers are not allowed and you risk your account on using it. If a program cannot or is hard to be detected (as gaming vpn) does not means you can use it safely.

A service like WTfast or Battleping is allowed (been confirmed by Square, just can't find the post) ... They don't do anything to either the client or the server, they just allow for more optimal routing. Using WTFast I can dodge plumes purely on reaction alone, except when people stack wrong of course ;)

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Originally Posted by Millerna

A service like WTfast or Battleping is allowed (been confirmed by Square, just can't find the post)

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They directly don't say it is allowed, just that you can use at your own risk.

Using 3rd party is always a risk. Just see the app that have added its well known 'radar'...

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Originally Posted by Millerna

As for servers physically in the EU, they'd likely have to create new servers for that, considering there are quite a lot of non-EU people on the current 'EU' servers as well.

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Not really. I don't want sound harsh, but they have the EU tag, so they knew fully well where they were going. If we can't have proper servers just because of non EU people playing on EU servers, I don't know what to say... It doesn't make sense that the people that are intended to play in some specific servers have to suffer because of people that weren't the main target of said servers.

We've been paying the same as everyone else, we have our "own" servers, yet we don't have the same kind of service. Having better ping and less potential connection issues would be nice. Otherwise just remove the EU tag or warn people when chosing their datacenter, please, because most don't even know that the servers are in Canada.

And this is coming from someone that doesn't have any issues besides some lag spikes or disconections from time to time (rarely). That doesn't mean, though, that I wouldn't like to have an optimal ping, and not just for me, but for those that I play with too, be it friends or strangers. We play together, after all, and if someone has issues it's bad for the whole group. I've suffered this a lot (someone getting a lag spike on a critical moment when the whole fight was working fine? yes, I've seen it many times), and I'm getting tired of it. And no, playing with someone else is NOT a solution, as it's not acceptable either that people have to PAY for Battleping and the likes when they can play every other MMO out there without issues.

So, please SE, Yoshida, or whoever reads this. What's being asked in this thread is something fair, and it has been asked many times in the past too. Can we get some acknowledgement that we exist in the form of, at least, a proper (and official) reasoning as of why we can't have a real EU datacenter? Isn't FFXIV:ARR successful in Europe? Don't we pay enough money to warrant us the same quality and treatment as NA and Japan?

I can understand that they had the servers in Canada at relaunch. Redoing the game was brave and financially risky for SE.

But indeed one year later the game is doing better than what they planned (as they acknowledge themselves), they're planning patches, expansions etc.. Would be a good move to move the data center in Europe, they can afford it, and it wil be better long-term wise.

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Originally Posted by Vileren

I can understand that they had the servers in Canada at relaunch. Redoing the game was brave and financially risky for SE.

But indeed one year later the game is doing better than what they planned (as they acknowledge themselves), they're planning patches, expansions etc.. Would be a good move to move the data center in Europe, they can afford it, and it wil be better long-term wise.

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The game is doing better and they are making more money than they expected, but it's clear to see they aren't doing a lot of reinvesting that money into the game, it seems they are still working with the budget they set up from their lower projections. This can be seen easily by looking at content being put in late, broken, and not even close to finished. It is purely a business decision, people are still paying, so it is more profitable for them to keep that money instead of adding more team members. The same goes for European servers, I am sure they are keeping track of subscription gains and losses, and at this point it seems European players are still paying even without European servers, so financially it wouldn't make sense for SE to put them up unless they know that doing so will attract enough new players to pay for the initial cost but also the monthly upkeep. You can't really consider existing players into this because you are already paying without them. If European subs drop, I'm sure they will look at it again, but then they will have to consider if it was the server location or something else driving players away, so if there is a huge loss of European subs, but not NA or Japanese, then maybe they will add servers over there then, but then they might just look at it as throwing away money at a decreasing market.

I live in Europe. I play on a NA server and I'll stay on it because I have friends there and whatnot, but I definitely do support a "real" European server. I personally think it's a joke that they basically slap a EU sign on a NA server and call it a day.

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

The game is doing better and they are making more money than they expected, but it's clear to see they aren't doing a lot of reinvesting that money into the game, it seems they are still working with the budget they set up from their lower projections. This can be seen easily by looking at content being put in late, broken, and not even close to finished.

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I don't know about that. This game compared to other MMOs has seen some pretty big content thrown at it on a short amount of time. Granted, not every thing in a patch is top notch but is still much better than what I was used to before. Here you have WoW which makes millions every year and they went 1 year with no new content at all.

@Mcshiggs
On the long-term i think the quality of the service (incl servers close to your clients) is important to keep your clients subscribed, especially in a competititive environment like MMO. Just my 2 cents anyway, i'm no expert.

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Originally Posted by Edli

I don't know about that. This game compared to other MMOs has seen some pretty big content thrown at it on a short amount of time. Granted, not every thing in a patch is top notch but is still much better than what I was used to before. Here you have WoW which makes millions every year and they went 1 year with no new content at all.

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Within the first year after launch, WoW introduced 2 dungeons, Maraudon and Dire Maul, 2 Raids, Blackwing Lair and Zul'Gurub, 10 world bosses, 2 battlegrounds, keep in mind it released with like 15 dungeons and Molten Core as a raid, and Onyxia you can count as a raid, or something comparable to a Primal. The raids in WoW were a lot bigger than the raids in XIV, Molten Core alone had 10 boss fights, coil released with 3.

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Originally Posted by Vileren

@Mcshiggs
On the long-term i think the quality of the service (incl servers close to your clients) is important to keep your clients subscribed, especially in a competititive environment like MMO. Just my 2 cents anyway, i'm no expert.

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Hasn't XI been up for over a decade with servers only based in Japan? And yes people complained about it constantly, with things like Japanese players having a better chance to claim NMs based on ping.

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Originally Posted by Adelphe

Are u saying that SE plans to move the chaos data center to EU eventually or it is already in EU?

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Actually Chaos data center is recommended for European players, but physically it's in Montreal with NA servers. :)

If they could move this cluster to EU it will be great for all EU players.

http://i.imgur.com/z3iZszi.jpg?1

exept it's recommanded, what will you do with the american playing on this cluster? kick them out?

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

They directly don't say it is allowed, just that you can use at your own risk.

Using 3rd party is always a risk. Just see the app that have added its well known 'radar'...

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The very first line in the post you link to says a tunnelling software doesn't directly control anything in the FFXIV client, and is therefor not breaking any rules. In other words, it's perfectly fine to use. Now, if that tunnelling service all of a sudden decided to add a feature that displays information in your FFXIV client (like the radar app does), then it will be breaking rules, and then you can get banned for using it.

That said, Square Enix does state in the EULA that they can ban whoever they want for whatever reason, so always use common sense :)

I agree with this, if only because we were promised it at the end of 1.0 when Yoshida stated that he thought it was unfair American players couldn't manage Ifrit HM because everything was hosted in Japan. Personally, my ping is fine and I stand half a chance at dodging things. But! I know a lot of EU players which are (unfairly) known as bads because the latency for them is unbearable.

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Originally Posted by Yshnal

Not really. I don't want sound harsh, but they have the EU tag, so they knew fully well where they were going. If we can't have proper servers just because of non EU people playing on EU servers, I don't know what to say... It doesn't make sense that the people that are intended to play in some specific servers have to suffer because of people that weren't the main target of said servers.

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They never said the EU tagged servers would ever be physically moved to the EU though, so a lot of people who are not EU, but play during EU primetime have selected the EU servers. There are also a lot of players who prefer to play with people from all over the world, and there was already quite the discussion going on when they decided to split JP servers from the NA/EU ones.

The better option would be new servers and a limited free transfer for those who want to transfer, rather than force everyone to a different datacenter.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

exept it's recommanded, what will you do with the american playing on this cluster? kick them out?

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The same thing that's done with EU players on NA servers. Nothing, they keep playing and they might suffer from latency. EU players who started on NA servers knew what they were getting themselves into, it's no different the other way around.

exept the game was like this from the start, and it was said here that some american player have worse connection than european... seriously it's only a rants for make it special when after all the population of the europe are not enough for worth the budget needed for a datacenter, worst at some hours the server will be completly empty. finally, if i had wanted another game where people of the world play only with the one close to them... i will not play FF14. they simply want to strip more FF14 of it international way for? a potential better latency of 20-60ms...

seriously, what do you prefer, they add another datacenter, with the risk to increase the monthly fee or they simply improve more what we have and give us more content. personally i will go with more content!

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

seriously it's only a rants for make it special when after all the population of the europe are not enough for worth the budget needed for a datacenter

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You're very difficult to understand, but just in case you aren't aware - more people live in Europe than in North America.

I think it's hilarious and sad both that you think it's perfectly fine for Europeans to suffer from latency on American servers, but apparently would find it horrible if Americans suffered from latency on European servers. I'm also not sure you understand what's being requested here. Nothing would change about the international aspect of the game, people from EU could still play on NA and vice-versa, the difference would be that people from EU would actually get good latency on their designated servers, instead of not having a single datacenter catering to them, because every single one is placed in NA.

I don't see Eu server is a need, I play on Excalibur from Denmark and I have not really any issue with the dodge or w/e, if I get hit it is either I don't bother to dodge or because I am slow, of course there is a 1-2 sec delay or you cant avoid the aoe after the cast bar get to 75% but you shouldn't wait until that last second. Just my unpopular opinion

how many player from europe and how many player from america? and we don't talk only of the united states here, we talk of the canada, bresil,...
like said before, the famous latency a lot of player have hit the american too...
and not every datacenter are in usa, some are in japan, do australia have asked for them own datacenter?

anyway, it's useless ranting, because, they have already stated while the beta and a lot of time that it will not happend. you can scream and cry all you want, they don't want to invest money in a datacenter for europe... they was kind enough to say this cluster of server are recommanded for the european, because seriously, this game is means to be international... but european are always unsatisfied and ask for more. why not ask server per language too!

Yoshi already said they are working on an EU datacenter. Patience

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

and we don't talk only of the united states here, we talk of the canada, bresil,...

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I said "North America". I did not say "United States".
The game is still international if you place a server in Europe. What the hell are you afraid of? And where does your apparent hate for Europeans stem from?

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Originally Posted by Millerna

They never said the EU tagged servers would ever be physically moved to the EU though, so a lot of people who are not EU, but play during EU primetime have selected the EU servers. There are also a lot of players who prefer to play with people from all over the world, and there was already quite the discussion going on when they decided to split JP servers from the NA/EU ones.

The better option would be new servers and a limited free transfer for those who want to transfer, rather than force everyone to a different datacenter.

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So, because of a minority, the whole EU population has to be screwed to move away from their own servers? So those are not really EU servers after all, right? Not to mention that nowhere in-game does it say "hey, be aware that these EU servers are not placed in the EU", so many outsiders (besides an informed minority that visits the forums and whatnot) are choosing these based on other preferences aside from the ping that they might have.

Why couldn't said minority, playing in servers not intended for them, bear with the latency issues that they will suffer if the servers are moved, but it's ok that many EU players are suffering them in their very own servers right now? Do you really see that fair or logical? I don't. If anything give free transfers out of said EU servers if they were moved, but not the opposite, as it wouldn't make sense that it would be the main population the one that had to move away from their own servers.

If the situation was the opposite and the NA servers were placed in the EU I would be fine with them being moved out to America, even if I was playing in one of them, without giving their population any more headaches. It would be logical to put the primary server population over the rest, and I would had know that risk when choosing a NA tagged server (as things can and do change).

I'll say it again, and more clearly, hopefully. Europe ≠ International. EU players shouldn't have to take any extra mile, either to play normally (tunneling software) or to have servers located in Europe (transfers out of EU servers). If anyone has taken them for international servers when they aren't tagged as such, they made a mistake. They, not the players that actually thought about them as European servers, specially when nowhere in-game does it say that they aren't.

It's understandable that SE didn't want to risk more money with FFXIV's relaunch, and I understood it and even defended them during the beta when the new datacenter locations where announced, but now that the game is doing fine I would like to know if there's any real excuse as to not move the Chaos datacenter to Europe. Is it even being considered at all?

And remember that this isn't just about "you" (not directed at the quoted one) or "me". It's about many people that have issues when playing overseas and that would notice a great improvement if the servers where located close to us. We have to play with these people, after all, so even if "you" and "me" don't have any issues, it can affect us too in the end. Unless you say "screw them", of course.

Currently there's "three" (well, two, but you know what I mean) datacenters: Japan, North America, and Europe. I know that it's not fair for oceanic, south american, and even west coast players, but that's a whole different issue. The fact is that there does exist an EU datacenter and it's located in Canada. And that causes issues to many players, both those currently playing and also many that left the game because of it.

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Originally Posted by SinisterJoint

Yoshi already said they are working on an EU datacenter. Patience

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That's wonderful news, and I didn't know it. Do you have any source for that info, please?

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Originally Posted by Riepah

I said "North America". I did not say "United States".
The game is still international if you place a server in Europe. What the hell are you afraid of? And where does your apparent hate for Europeans stem from?

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then south america don't count? ocenic player don't count? if we follow this sort of idea we need to get server on each continent!
seriously, they bring the server in europe, meaning my friend with who i play are not able to play with me, because i play with people from different continent... i will quit the game! what the point to play to an international game where i can't play with my friend that out of europe.

personally i'm at 100-120 ms all the time i don't see the lag and that like this for age (even if at the start i had lag like every body)... then i begin to wonder from where come this lag that soo many people are talking about... and i don't have a very good connection believe me.

anyway, i was at the start against the fact to loose the japanese and all the people from this side of world and if i must loose the rest... i don't see the point to play to an another clone of wow that have a lot of flaws recently. like a lot of people i continue to play to the game for play with my friend, if they strips me of my friend... well i will be out normal!

all i see here it's people simply coming crying for add something that will change almost nothing to the game that cost tons of money for SE and will probably destroy countless guild simply for get 20-60ms change? seriously?!?


and one question tough, let say they do it and move all the chaos cluster on a european server.
they offer a free migration for the other that don't want to come along...

who gonna pay for the housing of the guild that will be forced to move out? who gonna pay for the destruction of the guild made with people from both side? for the personal room payed already? all of this will be lost for the person forced to move out because you ask for a change of 20-60 ms... think about it instead to only see your own interest.

@Silentwindfr : Actually having Chaos in Europe doesn't mean you can't still play with your friends ? I don't get your point...

because american net is not as good as our actually, when you heard of american of the west coast that have more latency than us, what will happend if they are on Chaos? the latency will increase, they will be forced to move out for? not even need to go to the west coast, even the people from florida will have more latency that like this. your change will only create a rift, forcing european to one side and american with normal connection to the other.

it did happend when they have move a part of the cluster to america, because at the start all the server was in japan, when they have move the NA/EU server to canada all the japanese and people from this side of the world had no other choice than move out. luckily at that time the game was starting, but now after almost 1 years, the add of tons of stuff like housing and other this will have a huge impact.

let's take the exemple of a small guild with 10 member all 50 that suddenly are forced to drop them S house, the 10 personal room and most of the stuff because they can't carry it. they need to drop the level of them guild, the point they had already... and move out and restart from the scratch them guild, forced to wait to get the right rank for get the house, and if they move on server already installed they will have no house avalaible for them... i wonder how many guild will survive this.

and i don't talk of guilde that have half member european and half american like mine that will simply disappear, because the american will be forced to stay behind. yeah in a way i see my interest as guild master. but i'm realistic and pragmatic... this change will have a huge impact, cost a lot for 20-60ms.

and even if they decide to go with the creation of new server, you will still have trouble from the massive exodus of the european for the europe server.


if SE decide to go with this i will take it like a huge slap in the face of the people that did make them guild with people from all around the world.

I'm going to vote for a EU server. On the moon.

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