R50 Archers

Hmm...

http://s836.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.png&newest=1

or

http://www.ffxivpro.com/item/4070008/verdant-shortbow

Crabbow +3 (+15% to affected stats rounded)
Att: 146
Acc: 190
Critical: 135

Verdant Bow (stats as stated)
Att:128
Acc: 182
Crit: 121

Not really even a comparison between the high tier HQ Crab bow and the Dungeon Drop, crab bow just owns it.

Issue is you need to +2/3 Crab Bow to beat out the Uldah Bow and V.Bow. Which tends to be somewhat expensive.

idk about the bow from NM
im arc and i want the bow > crab bow

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

Crabbow +3 (+15% to affected stats rounded)
Att: 146
Acc: 190
Critical: 135

Verdant Bow (stats as stated)
Att:128
Acc: 182
Crit: 121

Not really even a comparison between the high tier HQ Crab bow and the Dungeon Drop, crab bow just owns it.

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I disagree. Verdant delay is 3.5, Crab delay is 4.0. That means the DoT is basically the same between Verdant and Crab +3. Acc would be better on Crab, but wouldn't you get more TP with the Verdant?

Assuming you aren't resetting the AA.

Crab bow +3 is still best because of the way DD tends to do damage. They spike damage by stacking buffs and so a higher base attack is what is needed. Delay doesn't really matter as much because you have so many abilities to use in-between shots. Accuracy is the other stat that really matters.

From what I saw with the bow, I would only use it if you didn't have a Crab Bow +2 or higher. +3>+2>Uldhan Longbow>+1>NQ Crab Bow.

And I would consider it debatable even against a Crab Bow +1. Uldhan Longbow has slightly more att/crit then Crab+1, but slightly less acc. Not even sure how much those slight differences matter.

I'd assume a slower (higher attack) bow works better with Multishot and Trifurcate than a faster bow, due to their nature. Does attack affect WS's in any noticeable way?

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Originally Posted by hotah

I'd assume a slower (higher attack) bow works better with Multishot and Trifurcate than a faster bow, due to their nature. Does attack affect WS's in any noticeable way?

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This sounds correct.

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Originally Posted by Jet

I disagree. Verdant delay is 3.5, Crab delay is 4.0. That means the DoT is basically the same between Verdant and Crab +3. Acc would be better on Crab, but wouldn't you get more TP with the Verdant?

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The damage is based on the delay.
Your attack value is in fact a damage over time value, not a raw damage output.
Otherwise my Gladiator would be a DPS God with 2,4s Delay and 160+ attack weapons.

BTT:
Crab Bow +3 > Crab Bow +2 > Uldah/Verdant > Crab Bow +1

Or you think that 20 HP is more important than 15acc

Lots of the time you aren't even using Light Shot on cool down due to popping other abilities (Second Wind, Invigorate, or whatnot)

Multishot and Trifucate benefit a lot more from higher ATK bows too.

Verdant bow is better than crab bow+3 and ul'dhan bow, just for one reason, best accuracy and the delay is 3.5sec while crab bow is 4sec and ul'dhan is 4.2, in the long run the verdant will outdamage both (a lot less miss and hits faster)

Not all is brute damage in my op.

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Originally Posted by elreed

Verdant bow is better than crab bow+3 and ul'dhan bow, just for one reason, best accuracy and the delay is 3.5sec while crab bow is 4sec and ul'dhan is 4.2, in the long run the verdant will outdamage both (a lot less miss and hits faster)

Not all is brute damage in my op.

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Originally Posted by me

The damage is based on the delay.
Your attack value is in fact a damage over time value, not a raw damage output.
Otherwise my Gladiator would be a DPS God with 2,4s Delay and 160+ attack weapons.

BTT:
Crab Bow +3 > Crab Bow +2 > Uldah/Verdant > Crab Bow +1

Or you think that 20 HP is more important than 15acc

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A Crab Bow +2 has the same att but much lower acc than the Uldahn Longbow
A Crab Bow +2 has the same acc but much lower att than the Verdant Bow

A Crab Bow +2 is always batter than both.

All Rank 50 NM weapons are on a "rank 50 +0.5-1" level with few extra stats.

Crab bow looks s*** imo, so I'll use one of the others.. :D

Crab+2 is slightly better than the Uldah bow. I have both and tested them.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

if its not a significant difference, I personally would wait and see what SE adds in the future.

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I like his thought process and have been following that since day one. Crafters hate me i knoq i sell you my goods and collect all your gil a horrible human errr taru

I use crab+2 over the uldah over the verdant

i have all 3. even though verdant is faster it does way less damage.. sure it attacks faster but with all the buffs inbetween the slightly longer delay works better for me

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Originally Posted by Thanos

I use crab+2 over the uldah over the verdant

i have all 3. even though verdant is faster it does way less damage.. sure it attacks faster but with all the buffs inbetween the slightly longer delay works better for me

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yah, I am not always hitting lightshot as soon as its up due to a bunch of other factors, so the delay doesn't really matter much IMO.

the usually sequence

light shot -> nock arrow -> ferocity -> heavy shot -> nock arrow -> raging strike -> hawk eye -> light shot (fully nocked)

repeat

if trifucate is up blah blah u get the point

As someone who has tested the ul dah and crab +3/2/1 the order is:

crab+3>crab+2>ul dah > verdant > crab+1

The hard math pretty much sums it up:
Crab bow +3
Att: 146 (127-base)
Acc: 190 (165-base)
Critical: 135 (117-base)

Crab bow +2
Att: 140 (127-base)
Acc: 182 (165-base)
Critical: 129 (117-base)

Ul'dahn Longbow
Att: 141
Acc: 166
Critical: 128

Verdant Bow
Att:128
Acc: 182
Crit: 121