permit FC queueing for Frontline

I just want to know how one would avoid the "Everybody who's good fight for this faction" scenario.

I'm looking forward to challenging my friends in PvP combat.

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Originally Posted by TheUltimate3

I just want to know how one would avoid the "Everybody who's good fight for this faction" scenario.

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That's one of the easiest things to balance with a mercenary system allowing anyone to fight for whoever they want.

As you say, you can be 100% sure not before long everyone will say I.E: "Maelstrom is the best PVP GC"....and people wanting an easy ride will all start joining Maelstrom....and so that GC queues begin to become longer and longer since everyone is trying to fight for one GC.

With a Mercenary system you allow:
- FCs or friends in different GCs can fight alongside.
- GCs balance itself out, when queues become long, the real pvpers will say "srew it, I want to get it" and can join asTwin/Flames mercenaries.

You can make some penalty like....IDK, you cannot get PVP achivements while being a mercenary or something.

Agree with above.

Moment of truth people, here's hoping they sneak this in... I'm gonna hate being disallowed to Frontline with many friends on Patch Day especially if not :/.

Sad day is sad, SE please report!

Anybody think this should be added still?

Its interesting to see people just blaze away at the OP, saying that he can switch GC anytime and that he should just do other content. Odds are these people are in FC's that started together and hence have the same GC affiliation. I know because I was in one such FC back when I first started this game, 90%+ of us were affiliated with the same GC. Or they have no intent on playing in Frontlines.

But regardless of their reasons to oppose the OP. They have Yet, as in they have Not supplied any reason where the OP's ideas or suggestions are detrimental to the game. They are simply here for the sake of disagreeing.


Are they trolling? Possibly. But I'm going to give benefit of the doubt and just assume ignorance. So I'll make this statement. Changing it so that you can queue for your Free Company's affiliation isn't going to hurt anyone. And if Lore is actually that important. Then what should happen is we should be restricted from being in opposing FC's or Groups with opposing Free Companies. The Frontlines are being fought over, correct? That's war. That means the Eorzean Alliance is gone. To facilitate that, they should allow everyone a onetime switch to a GC of their choice. They keep the highest progress they've earned in their PVE and PVP rank. And then when someone makes a new character, they must choose a GC affiliation that cannot be switched. Of course they'll have to add new class and job quests as well.

Would that ever happen? Probably not. Which means Lore as a reason is too sketchy. SE should decide to go all in or all out with this. If we're going to have factions, lets have factions. Otherwise toss it out.

It's not going to hurt anyone... good points made.

I'm hoping this gets a response of some sort. Preferably one that indicates a change coming.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

I guess I'm one of the "weird ones" who would have more fun fighting against FC friends rather than with them. We'll be in Team Speak most likely and calling each other Sand People or Squid Faces.

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Pretty much. I actually know the slogans/catchphases of Storm and Flame members better than I know the ones for my own GC now.

An official response would be amazing.

Preferably yes.

Camate...?

This really is inexcusable. It was such a bad decision from SE, there is really absolutely no defense to it.

I can't believe the number of players who try to defend it with horrible reasoning. "But you can change your GC!" and "We knew this was coming, so you have no right to complain" are the best ones.

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Originally Posted by Erudain

That's one of the easiest things to balance with a mercenary system allowing anyone to fight for whoever they want.

As you say, you can be 100% sure not before long everyone will say I.E: "Maelstrom is the best PVP GC"....and people wanting an easy ride will all start joining Maelstrom....and so that GC queues begin to become longer and longer since everyone is trying to fight for one GC.

With a Mercenary system you allow:
- FCs or friends in different GCs can fight alongside.
- GCs balance itself out, when queues become long, the real pvpers will say "srew it, I want to get it" and can join asTwin/Flames mercenaries.

You can make some penalty like....IDK, you cannot get PVP achivements while being a mercenary or something.

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Well said.

Yeah, everybody's hopping over to one GC practically on many servers, queue times are getting long & if you're not a part of the Superior GC you're at a severe disadvantage.

Either way, this still needs to happen.

Bayohne???

Queue times will increase for one faction I'd imagine, seeing as how a lot of players are shifting from GC to GC - it could eventually become unbalanced.

i approve of this!

SE respond plox!

I can't get my FC to do PVP at all since I can't ask them to join with me.

Such a shame that there is so much red tape in order to group with people in your own FC.

This is something I'd really like to see as well. I'm one of maybe 3 TA people in my GC. We're allied with Immortal Flames although many are Maelstrom. I'd like to be able to queue with other FC friends even if it with flames just for the sake of fun please. :)

The hardest thing about this (very lore friendly) idea is the queue system. If I queue up solo, do I get randomly put with Adders (GC) or Maelstrom (FC)? Can I duo-queue with a Flame who is in a different Maelstrom FC? Do you get placed with a random company if your party qualifies for two?

I'd suggest that it works like this:
-Solo queuing places you in your own Grand Company.
-Party queuing is only available if your entire party belongs to a single Grand Company OR Free Company.
-If your party is a group of individuals that belongs to both the same GC and FC, the GC takes priority.

This makes it so there's no distinct advantage to joining an FC that's not under your GC.

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Originally Posted by Bladeglory

The hardest thing about this (very lore friendly) idea is the queue system. If I queue up solo, do I get randomly put with Adders (GC) or Maelstrom (FC)? Can I duo-queue with a Flame who is in a different Maelstrom FC? Do you get placed with a random company if your party qualifies for two?

I'd suggest that it works like this:
-Solo queuing places you in your own Grand Company.
-Party queuing is only available if your entire party belongs to a single Grand Company OR Free Company.
-If your party is a group of individuals that belongs to both the same GC and FC, the GC takes priority.

This makes it so there's no distinct advantage to joining an FC that's not under your GC.

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Great ideas! Quoted below is myself from earlier in the thread, I mashed up the idea quickly so all yours may be better... either way, we're giving SE solid options; no good reason GC-restriction should remain.

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Originally Posted by Parz3val

If it's a mixed group of FC Members, FC GC Affiliation.

If it's all one or the other, whichever it is.

If everyone is both, two options for SE: either whichever queue is faster or Party Leader's personal GC Affiliation.

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This still needs to happen. SE please?

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Originally Posted by WellFooled

I agree with Parz3val on this one. It might make sense from a lore perspective to keep it segregated by GCs, but from a gameplay perspective it doesn't and gameplay needs to come first. PvP in FFXIV is already hardly supported and Frontlines will have a hard time changing that if people can't freely play with their friends.

Square Enix has a habit of making really great content, but with weird and inconvenient restrictions. Sometimes they need us to tell them as much so the game can be improved.

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^^Pretty much this.

It's not like PVP is this game selling point anyways, so the fact they add all these little restrictions and annoyances just hurts it even more. I really hope the Dev's are reading this thread and giving it some though QUE times are atrocious and we can't even play with fellow FC members cause of GC restrictions, this is just really bad gameplay design, regardless if its fits the lore or not. Gameplay>lore.

^exactly. No need to be so restrictive.

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Originally Posted by Parz3val

Cause it's so easy to do that PVP Rank 40 grind over again legitimately, without win-trading, right?

I feel like most people arguing against this are the ones who haven't tried ranking up in Wolves Den whatsoever.

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You should have coordinated with your buddies prior to grinding to 40. Remember, your thread in general is about trying to play with people you want to play with.

You could have discussed with your friends and switched early on before grinding to 40.

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Originally Posted by Xystic

You should have coordinated with your buddies prior to grinding to 40. Remember, your thread in general is about trying to play with people you want to play with.

You could have discussed with your friends and switched early on before grinding to 40.

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in your world, nobody makes new friends. that's sad.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

in your world, nobody makes new friends. that's sad.

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You can also make GC only PvP linkshell? You do makes new friend there if PvP together a lot. Yes? No?

Did try coordinating with friends, but we were all post 30 in our respective GC's prior to Frontlines release.

Also, it's messed up to require anyone change since some are huge aesthetic turn-offs (like my friends hate the Pirate motif of Maelstrom, I can't stand Ul'dah, etc.).

In large part SE's fault as they'd stated in the past that GC decision would have next-to-no affect on playability (essentially).

Also, I have a GC PvP LS, but I want to play with my FC mates & current friends moreso.

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Originally Posted by Divinemight

You can also make GC only PvP linkshell? You do makes new friend there if PvP together a lot. Yes? No?

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Yes? how is that better than also being able to play with your FC?

Allowing people to tag for Frontlines under the banner of their FC's GC or under the banner of our own personnal GC doesn't make any sense regarding the lore.
While I agree that the gameplay shall prevail, I cannot completly drop the lore, especially in a Lore-heavy game like FF XIV.

Therefore, I find the restriction to be legitimate considering the context of the game.

The lore in FF XIV greatly increase the immersion and Role Playing aspect of this MMORPG.
If I'm forced to face my FC buddies because of my own choice, so be it. It gives my own decision a pleasant weight which is something lacking in most mmos.

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Originally Posted by Parz3val

Did try coordinating with friends, but we were all post 30 in our respective GC's prior to Frontlines release.

Also, it's messed up to require anyone change since some are huge aesthetic turn-offs (like my friends hate the Pirate motif of Maelstrom, I can't stand Ul'dah, etc.).

In large part SE's fault as they'd stated in the past that GC decision would have next-to-no affect on playability (essentially).

Also, I have a GC PvP LS, but I want to play with my FC mates & current friends moreso.

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No offense, I am not buying that story of "I am already rank 30....." crap, it is just an excuse consdering current amount of PvP experience you are getting from winning or losing the Frontline. Here is a quote from someone post on PvP fourm:

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Originally Posted by Kuroyasha

Yea I used to have long waits with Maelstrom. I switched to Adder and it queues pretty fast now. Won 14 out of 32 so far this week so it's not too bad being an adder (except when b team ignores mid or gets there late >.>).I was about to reach 39 as maelstrom but eh, rank 22 now i think with adder. Not so bad.

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You have started this thread since July 05, 2014 and now is August 28, 2014. Anyone would be a Rank 40 for while right now even you switched. You will not be in disadvantage position because they have adjusted entire PvP action system. It is much more progressive for you to just change GC already than keep ranting here when you dont really have a strong supportive arguments.

This is not Wolf Den in 2.2 where you only get 40 to 60 points for winning and 20 points for winning. The points you are getting is 300% more in 2.3. Stop use your GC rank as defense and just change it already if you want to play with your friends.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

in your world, nobody makes new friends. that's sad.

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In my world, I prefer balanced game systems.

How would you resolve the issue of keeping people in the three GC?

Because the grind to 40 is rather difficult, most people end up staying in their respective GC and fighting for them. When you make it easy to switch, everyone will become your NEW FRIENDS and rock the other two GC because no one wants to be on the losing side. Once this snowballs enough it will be exactly like GW2 in WvWvW, where it was so bad, there was no one left to kill because everyone was always transferring to the winning side. Not only was it bad for the losing side, it was boring for the winning side. The problem wasn't resolved until we put a crystal charge on the transfers. Here, the only thing deterring you from leaving is your ranks.

So if you want to see this lift off losing ranks when switching, talk about how to actually implement it properly but at the same time avoiding the same catastrophe we saw in GW2.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

Allowing people to tag for Frontlines under the banner of their FC's GC or under the banner of our own personnal GC doesn't make any sense regarding the lore.
While I agree that the gameplay shall prevail, I cannot completly drop the lore, especially in a Lore-heavy game like FF XIV.

Therefore, I find the restriction to be legitimate considering the context of the game.

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It's illegitimate by design. Read below.

Also, GC v GC doesn't necessarily mean an FC's GC affiliation doesn't count (or shouldn't for that matter).

I'm a member of an FC that's allied with Twin Adders, I am personally aligned with the Maelstrom, aren't I *technically* enlisted in both then?

If the lore were to act as if the GC's are now in conflict over some territory, wouldn't it be just as absurd to allow us to enlist in a FC that endorses our known enemy? Yet they're not preventing us from being in any GC affiliated FC we want.

The Red Post I've linked below effectively affirms my feelings about FC GC Affiliation & our 'membership', if you will... our FC is a subdivision ("subsidiary") of whichever GC it has aligned with... so we're essentially a branch/squadron underneath the GC military umbrella.

If that doesn't tell me I'm a valid part of that GC just as much as the other GC I've personally enlisted in, I don't know what does.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...780#post833780

@Divinemight, there was a thing called Wolves Den prior to Frontlines' release... y'know.

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Originally Posted by Parz3val

@Divinemight, there was a thing called Wolves Den prior to Frontlines' release... y'know.

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I am aware of that but do you aware of the following?

1. PvP experince has been increased more than 300%, (WD 2.2) 60 for winning to (Frontline 2.3) 600 and 20 for lossing to 300.
2. PvP action system has been improved: (WD 2.2) no pvp action if change GC to (Frontline 2.3) you keep all PvP actions as default.

Also showed you an exmaple of a Malestorm player who was ranked 39 and becomes a Rank 22 Twin Adders without much trouble. Keep going.... what is next?

I agree with keeping your rank when you switch GCs, that would be fine.

I do not agree with the ability to queue with whatever GC you or your friends feel like at the time.

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Originally Posted by Parz3val

I'm a member of an FC that's allied with Twin Adders, I am personally aligned with the Maelstrom, aren't I *technically* enlisted in both then?

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No they are not the same. You are aligned with the Maelstrom. Your FC is aligned with Twin Adders. Just because you work for your FC, does not mean you are aligned with Twin Adders.

For example, my company is from Germany but I work for them as an American. Just because I work for them doesn't mean I'm a German.

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Originally Posted by Parz3val

I'm a member of an FC that's allied with Twin Adders, I am personally aligned with the Maelstrom, aren't I *technically* enlisted in both then?

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I don't see it like that.
FC's registration to a GC is an administrative choice, and not a military one.

You, on the other hand, have to support and fight for the Grand Company you choose, giving it supplies and equipment while being able to exchange seals for goods provided by said GC.

In short: you really are fighting for your GC while your FC doesn't.
Therefore, it does actually make sense for you to fight in the name of your own GC rather than your FC's GC.

Plus, I'll add that Free Companies are, obviously, "Free". They just have to be on a GC's record to legitimatly be recognized on Eorzea, but their actions depends completly on their will.

The power of GCs on the FCs barely exists, while the bond between you and your GC is much stronger.

A player has to choose on Grand Company (later they added the ability to change, progress is independent of each grand company you join).
Free companies are associated with a Grand Company.
Free companies are comprised of members from all three Grand Companies.
Frontlines currently allows you to only represent your Grand Company.

Frontlines should allow you to choose your Grand Company affiliation or your Free Company's Grand Company affiliation in the Duty Finder window. As a player who is an Immortal Flames that belongs to a Free Company that is based off of the Adders. I don't see why I can't help either side, I'm already doing so through my free company.

There, lore and player options.