Make toptier end game based around 24-man content soon.

I just really want an overworld content that i can take 8-24 of my FC buddies to go do
and get sh!t done. No "instancing, if you're too late you cant join" just come at your leisure,
help us all have a good time. Thats something i'd be interested in.

Because everyone loves doing raids with dozens of people you don't know and will never see again, right? That's fun, right? Having to wait for twenty or more people to be online to do a dungeon, or having twenty people to manage at a time, or splitting loot drop lockouts between twenty people instead of eight.

large man content is easier to organize then lowman in any guild situation. Yea for pugs alliance content is a nightmare but who cares. People should be getting into guilds at endgame anyways, it is what makes a mmo a mmo.

But we need some guild content in this game. Low man/static garbage is destroying many a guild. I for one am sick of seeing 27ppl online in my guild and only 1 coil group be able to run because of the forced 8man only lock out bs and 1-2 people missing out of other groups. And you can only spam levi as a guild so much before you want to throw your computer out the window.

My attendance is droping in my guild because coil is the only thing to do... and you have to have your 8 ppl online to do it. Garbage design all I can say. SE needs to stop ignoring their other mmo that lasted for over a decade and bring some elements that kept guilds together. So what the ultra casuals/solo players will have a hard time... they can play the other 95% of the games content.

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Originally Posted by Penguinmayhem

Because everyone loves doing raids with dozens of people you don't know and will never see again, right? That's fun, right? Having to wait for twenty or more people to be online to do a dungeon, or having twenty people to manage at a time, or splitting loot drop lockouts between twenty people instead of eight.

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My FC consists of some 60ish people, getting 24 of them online at any one time isn't going to happen.

why are people thinking this has to be queued up for ?, like DF, the OP is talking about 24 man content that is end game in the style of coil, where you NEED a FULL PREMADE group, and the lockout to go with it like coil, a system thats in place in both WOW and RIFT.
this game needs more content for large groups to do together that are organised, such as a large FC, FCs that are designed for this content, not just run of the mill social FCs, proper end game FCs with proper scheduling and attendance checking.

Hmmm I agree that it would be nice to have some 24 person or even 16 person content. But I'd like to see this starting at lvl20 and maybe a new dungeon/event every 10 levels that way. Yes this can be open world event - maybe something like a specifc NM is rampaging through area you have to stop it. And it would be moving all the time until it's defeated. Maybe at rank 9 FCs they could get something like that as FC-quests.

I'd also like to see some 8 man dungeons starting at lvl 20 and onwards to get people used to it beyond guildhests(again 1 every 10 levels would be fine).

As for FCs basically catering to a specific 8 person group... started in such, went to another one that seemed to be better but in the end devolved into that. Now helped start a new one that is focus on getting everything some fun and not just focus on endgame. And we do... we ran a 4 DD copperbell mines nm a week or so ago... 3 of us with low level chars - one even new. We had a blast.

we could have a lack of tanks if we switch to 24m lol

No thank you. I hate requiring a ton of players to do content, and 8 is enough as is.

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Originally Posted by Volsung

I just really want an overworld content that i can take 8-24 of my FC buddies to go do
and get sh!t done. No "instancing, if you're too late you cant join" just come at your leisure,
help us all have a good time. Thats something i'd be interested in.

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I agree. Joining people in Abyssea at my leisure was nice.

"Top Tier" endgame content will never be alliance-based. If you managed to reach Turn8 or Turn9 in the first few weeks, you'd see how strictly specifically designed the enrage timers were. Alliances allow for weird possibilities the devs may not be able to account for, like 1 tank tanking 13 mobs and 20 DPS zerging passed a bunch of phases. It's just not as strategic. They like small content since it forces every member to feel special by giving them all important little duties. 24 man would be nothing but colors and shapes and icons all over your screen or just one mob that does a lot of AoE and is boring and a joke.

I have struggled to find a group where it is possible to reserve two evenings where we do 8-player content. My first group fell apart because of many different problems, some were just time and coordination issues but more severe problems were differences in skills and different learning curves. Ending in frustration on both sides, the ones who "fell behind" and feeling bad for holding the rest of the group back and the ones knowing what to do but forced to wipe 20 times more than they normally would if everybody would be at the same level they are.

Endgame content like Coil or Primals is difficult content and everybody has different frustation levels. No matter if you have a raid group that knows each other or if you try it with randoms in Party finder. You always have 1-2 people blocking the rest so it is like hitting a wall most of the time not allowing you to progress on the parts you need training for.

24 people raids imo should be fun raids like CT. Not the hardest content. You can't coordinate 24 people, it is hard enough for teams of 8 people. And Duty finder or Group finder are no good options because it takes too long and chance is high you have the typical "carry me through" or derp players no matter what text you write. T5 Twintania Twister training is an accurate example of the last weeks. I have been in many parties, all of them struggled with P3 divebombs and we did not even get to Twister phase. I do not need to train that phase so it was pure frustration and wa complete waste of time. People in random runs tend to lie and tend and to make themselves better than they actually are. Others join training parties expecting a quick win and leaving/bitching after two wipes. Again, this happens on 8 people content. Imagine the same with 24 people content. *shudders*

you can coordinate 24 people, ive been raid leading in wow 25 man raids for a good number of years now, the ways its done, your FC/guild recruits for like skilled players who want that content, not just random people, and you and firm with attendance policy, the tools and organisation is there, it just needs to be set in stone.

I think it would be even better to allow for a flexible number of people to party up to tackle some content. 5? 11? 20? However many and let's see what we can do. :) The "must have 8/24" thing is really aggravating.