Turn 9 downed in less than one month after release

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I am not surprized that BG downed it as quickly as they did, they are an awesome FC. Now for Other FC's trying to down this ( meaning the majority) is an entirely different question. If only 10-15 FC's can down it out of 300 that attempt it, then there is nothing to worry about.

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Not surprised either really. Unlike the first turn there wasn't a 20 ilv discrepancy in gear and it's no secret that they've been at it pretty much all day every day till they got it down.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Pretty sure a lot of people could beat if there was a 1 week lock out holding people back.

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This makes no sense. There's no lockout on turns you haven't beaten yet.

The big problem with Twintania was that no one could figure out how Twister's worked to literally save their lives. They made it a little easier on everyone, and even took it offline if I remember.

Also, judging by the screenshot, they died a few times. So no, I imagine it's not easy, even for a skilled group like Blue Gartr. Regardless, congratulations BG.

And that sword looks amazing. I want it.

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Originally Posted by Inosaska

I'm mad.

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So very, very mad.

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Originally Posted by MurakumoMillennium

So very, very mad.

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Seething I tell you, seething.

I'd like to think that any of us would be able to pass the turns if we had a dedicated group such as theirs. The circumstances to find such people are to rare and too few. I'm sure they've even got large quantities of time to practice with. It's very rare to find 1 person like that let alone 8..

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Originally Posted by Inosaska

What a shocker that a bunch of streamers that make money off of streaming all day beating content they can literally practice for hours on end while some people are busy working jobs that require them to leave there house. Sometimes I wonder if people can even tell the difference in how many hours they dump into this game compared to people who leave there house to go to work.

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That's just the nature of the beast. People who work 60+ hours a week will rarely be a part of endgame simply because their time won't allow for a static (even if said player was potentially the greatest player in the game, pugging wouldn't get him/her that far)

Turn 5 was bugged and kept getting shut down because the game was rushed, thus it took more time to beat even with all the good skill. They had more time now to not screw up on the coding and they also didn't leave a whole tier of gear out like CT was supposed to fill in before it got taken out.

I don't understand how anyone was even remotely surprised by the timing on this downing. I consider myself a fairly average slightly above player in terms of skill level, and my own static downed T6 before the first reset the following tuesday after patch playing literally 3 hrs roughly each night. I also took time to consider that there are other groups, better skill wise, with better gearing luck and much more time for raiding 6hrs+, factor in how fast the turns including T8 were getting downed by multiple groups each week, there's probably several groups not only BG that have been on T9 i'd wager since last week and have just been ironing out mechanics.

If BG releases a video, the downs will come quickly soon after. These turns were a skill check for sure vs a DPS, or HP Check. Skill checks do not sustain with a lot of the end-game community. Its no different then Titan Extreme in terms of skill. Skill is flexibility,adaptability, understanding, planning, etc. Factor all that into any fight and they're all doable. Keeping that solely as the only mechanic to wall content though is horrible. Way back when, people were failing turn 4 horribly because of the DPS check. Then even after the T5 kill vids were up people were failing dive bombs or tanks getting one shot by death sentence.

Look at the new turns, which honestly felt dangerous?. T7 is probably one of the most skill requiring turns atm, albeit with assumingly t9 as well. People say t8 is a dps check, and while that is true in basic instance planning, its not valid as a DPS check, if you completely eliminate a need for a off tank in the instance mechanically, thus opening the spot for a 5th DPS.

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Originally Posted by Velox

That's just the nature of the beast. People who work 60+ hours a week will rarely be a part of endgame simply because their time won't allow for a static (even if said player was potentially the greatest player in the game, pugging wouldn't get him/her that far)

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it's all depend of the skill of the player. why did they dump soo many hours, mostly because they have done it with the minimal in equipement, i'm sure with a bit more stuff they will down it easily.
what someone with a work can't do? if he is dedicated, he can spend 3-4 hours per evening at only do this with a group of good player i don't see why they can't do it.

Considering the amount of fully melded eq they had, skill wasn't the only requiredment. That a lot of Gil to blow in the current market. Heck I don't even think the cap optimizations for melded i90 has been complied yet.

If you have to work 60hrs a week you are doing it wrong anyway and i feel sorry for you. Downing content comes to finding a dedicated group of ppl that works as a team and not 8 individuals of which everyone wants to have the biggest cake. Skill and gear checks come afterwards. It has nothing to do with putting 10 or 40 hrs into the game per week. Of course those with more time will likely success first but stop the hating/jealousy.


Congratulations BG.

And while it seems like a really fast accomplished first time kill, a fight you can win by mastering it's mechanics even though you are comparable weak is always better than a fight which heavily relies on you to have a certain men power just to get on.

Yeah, they're on my server. Always walking around in all the new turn gear. T-T

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Originally Posted by Xellos2099

Pretty sure during october SE were still dealing with cheater on t5

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They were, but they also confirmed BG's as a legit kill...

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Originally Posted by stephenjd3

Lets be honest within the next month many many groups will be downing turn 9, there will be will be many with nothing left to do here pretty soon

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Grind coil for gear and items to upgrade gear. Gearing yourself up is what MMORPGs are all about.

Ppl should be happy for bg!
While "everyone" else was farming levi ex and the such, bg instead moved on and pushed forward.
No time for silly "levi ex farm, watch vid and know fight plz. 3 strike rule " parties.
Good for them for taking their time with learning the fight and coming up with a kill strat.

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Originally Posted by rhemi1

If SE wants a proper gear check break point, they need larger raids. None of this 4 boss per Binding Coil nonsense. I'm hoping they improve upon that in the future. A good raid tier needs at least 8 fully fleshed out bosses, with the beef gate point being around 5 bosses in and the last being a true gear and skill check.

The way I see it, T8 was supposed to be the 'gear check', but seems undertuned given the clears. Perhaps the Second Coil is in need of some rebalancing.

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Honestly you don't need 8/raid but you do need more fleshed out and actual bosses.
Lets look at coil 1 and see how many actual bosses we got shall we? t1 is a real boss, t2 is a trashmob with a new mechanic (rot) t3 is a benny hill race, t4 is more trash and t5 is an actual boss.
So we got 2.5 real bosses. Wows shortest raids (stuff like hyjal) had more real bosses.

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Originally Posted by Ferocious

Are people really surprised with the lack of gear check? That first T5 kill video had i70-80 geared folks in it. It's the mechanics that seem not too challenging, which has caused it to be downed so quickly. I see those guys said that they could have downed it few days ago, but had technical issues. So when you consider that, the toughest fight in the game is beat roughly two weeks after release and we're stuck with it for 6 months! Don't worry about other FCs beating it. Once the mechanics get leaked, kills start flowing in which is what will happen now.

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You do realise that T5 was off for three weeks because majorly bugged ? would have been killed faster otherwise. Not havin much doubts about how other fcs will catch up, it ll be slow.

Besides I think BG put 10 hours + into progression everyday in new turns. So yeah ^^

Congratulations on that down, totally deserved :D

Congrats to them on the win. Lots of time invested I'm sure! I do however find it kind of stupid SE would allow Turn 8 (and apparently even Turn 7 from what I have heard) to be able to be solo tanked under a month into release. While I don't like forcing double tanks via tank swap mechanics all the time...idk it just seems weird to me that it can be done already.

guide or didn't happen.

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Originally Posted by AdamuKun322

I'm awaiting them to upload the kill video and when they downed T5 it wasn't legit due to a bug or so I've read on these forums. Still, good job BG!

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Actually it was the opposite, BG were the only ones to clear T5 legit. Yoshi P even congratulated them on world first.

lol @ "light on content"

I do wonder what game has recently come out that took the best FCs(guilds) around a month to complete. I look at the WoW players and I almost cry at how few updates and content they actually get, and when they do get new end-game there is Raid-Finder version which allows any noob to complete it in one sitting.

I would very much like to hear of those games with end-game dungeons/raids so hardcore and heavy on DPS-checks that it takes months for anyone to clear them.

Those folks play the game as a job- so this is to be expected. It's probably not reasonable to draw any conclusions about how that performance relates to the performance of people who do not treat the game as a job- who do other things. Kind of like it makes no sense to compare your in game gil to gil farmers.

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...n_world_first/

Not sure what to think about this. On one hand, BG is an amazing group (and if I remember correctly, the only group to down Twintania before Twister nerfs). On the other, we're going to have a lot of nothing-to-do-endgame threads cropping up soon. >.>

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BG is going to have a lot of nothing to do, you/we have a lot of struggle ahead of us. You know they are in Coil like 8 hours a day right? At least. If you have a group willing to do 8+ hours a day 7 days a week then maybe you can down Turn 9 soon, but regular groups will not, so this is not a concern for you

gonna lol so hard if they don't release strat. Then lets see what "light on content" says then ^^

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Originally Posted by Galliano

Actually it was the opposite, BG were the only ones to clear T5 legit. Yoshi P even congratulated them on world first.

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The second dread was perma stunned by monk when ot died. It was an old bug where if you were the dreads target you could stun it to if you stood where they spawned. Wasn't fixed til like 2.1.

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...n_world_first/

Not sure what to think about this. On one hand, BG is an amazing group (and if I remember correctly, the only group to down Twintania before Twister nerfs). On the other, we're going to have a lot of nothing-to-do-endgame threads cropping up soon. >.>

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Assuming others can follow in their footsteps.

It's inevitable that those threads will crop up anyway, SE just aren't releasing content fast enough.

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

Congratulations to BG there's no denying they're a talented and very dedicated group.

However, it does seem a little soon after the patch. Thought it would take a bit longer than that.

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The actual content for T6-8 that I've seen so far are actually rather straightforward and simple for any high-end hardcore progression group. I'm honestly surprised it took this long.

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

The actual content for T6-8 that I've seen so far are actually rather straightforward and simple for any high-end hardcore progression group. I'm honestly surprised it took this long.

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^ This any high end hardcore group can clear this game it designed to be its a casual freindly mmo to begin with and I'm not a hard end gamer myself, but I expected this to happen.

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

The actual content for T6-8 that I've seen so far are actually rather straightforward and simple for any high-end hardcore progression group. I'm honestly surprised it took this long.

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Everything is straight forward after others have already beat it and released guides.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Assuming others can follow in their footsteps.

It's inevitable that those threads will crop up anyway, SE just aren't releasing content fast enough.

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i think 2.2 has a considerable amnt of things to do so i dont think it has anything to do with lack of content.
the thing is that that group plays this game for hours on end, 7 days a week and learned
the ropes quicker than the usual player. so they have wayyy more time on their hands than others do.
the only time you will see an influx of clearers is if they release a video...which i dont think they should
so others can learn by themselves and as a team. i never watch videos on anything.

BG is playing smart. They're not going to release their video until a few more top notch FC's clear T9 so people won't copy their strategy.

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Originally Posted by Airikay

Everything is straight forward after others have already beat it and released guides.

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I have hardcore progression raiding experience in other games.

The mechanics are braindead obvious with convenient tooltips.

48 hours for T6, 12 in-game hours, max.
24 hours for T7, 8 in-game hours, max.
24 hours for T8, same 8 in-game, max.


The only significant humps for any high end progression group are "mystery mechanics" that have sketchy / no telegraphing and behave in strange/counterintuitive ways.

Too much time on their hands :l

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Assuming others can follow in their footsteps.

It's inevitable that those threads will crop up anyway, SE just aren't releasing content fast enough.

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Name one form of entertainment (or better yet, consumable media) that can release content faster than it can be consumed...

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

PvP of any form. MMOs, chess, checkers, tic-tac-toe, chinese chess/checkers, padu, poker.

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All of those things can be consumed much faster than the development time to create or implement them.

Edit: Or are you referring to an actual board version of chess/checkers? Those I will concede. As well as the chinese versions, and poker, and padu. But if you are meaning a digital version, my point still stands.

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Originally Posted by L-D-Omlette

Name one form of entertainment (or better yet, consumable media) that can release content faster than it can be consumed...

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PvP of any form. MMOs, chess, checkers, tic-tac-toe, chinese chess/checkers, padu, poker.

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...n_world_first/

Not sure what to think about this. On one hand, BG is an amazing group (and if I remember correctly, the only group to down Twintania before Twister nerfs). On the other, we're going to have a lot of nothing-to-do-endgame threads cropping up soon. >.>

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Yeah, well I don't see this happening anytime soon as there are still plenty of people stuck on T5.

So because the best guild in the entire world beat it that makes it too easy?

/eyeroll

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Originally Posted by Ladon

Kind of disappointed that this was finished with a group that couldn't have an average iLevel more than 95

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Proof that average ilvl is not everything.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

Proof that average ilvl is not everything.

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THIS.

Didnt BG down t5 in mostly Darklight?