'Up in Arms' - Atma - The new Hamlet 2.0 Time Sync

1898 post? LMAO your either a no life homesick kid or your NA SE cover-up staff.

I don't like the FATE System either but if SE wants to stick with it, please consider:

- allowing to play without Zenith weapon so we can level our chars to give those FATES at least a little meaning and to prevent players who are at the actual Level of the FATE to be demolished by 2 dozens of Level 50 Players without a chance to get a Gold reward.
- leaving the quest open showing which ones we got and which ones are left until it is complete
- put the quest items in the quest item tab instead of the regular inventory

And for your next upgrade of endgame weapons please consider actual endgame Content to achieve it and no Level 3 spammable FATES. Endgamers need game currency like Myth and Strategy to progress with their characters so rather combine the grind with dungeons that have a limited drop chance of something or make it a guaranteed one but people need many runs. But please, stop with the FATES. How many times did you receive bad Feedback about FATES? Why such a heavy use as reaction? This has nothing to do with "it is too hard" or "you want stuff for free at the 1st day". I just don't wanna be annoyed. I have no problem in long term goals. But please let me do what I do anyways (run endgame dungeons) and let me achieve my Goals doing what I do regularly anyways. And I do not play Level 3 fates regularly.

0 skill quest. Only random drops from low level FATES. LOL. Fates, again. And you need to spam them. No way. Any retard can do this, and they gain access to the top weapon of the game? Srsly?
SE going to ruin it all again. I start thinking this game can't be saved, not by SE at least. And that's too sad :/

TESO starts in 2 days, in 2 days FFXIV really wont matter anymore...

It is a bit annoying, I've had people who did fates all day just to get nothing. I would think they want us to cycle through older content again, which would mean fates and at the same time help out lower level people who are doing fates. Plus everyone complained that all you do is stay inside, no incentive to go out into the world and see the scenery. Well, now you do.

The random luck part, was never fond of it but I also people talked about how now everyone has a relic for everything, well this long / luck based at the start process thins out everyone having a relic for every job. I would believe it would upset people since it's an achievement based on luck and not skill. Well at start it seems that way, but it also shows the dedication someone has and the patience to do something, which a lot of people do not have any patience at all.

I'm not supporting the system 100% or going against it, but I'm trying to understand it and so far that's my understanding.

There are other paths to take, but it's hard to just leave something like a relic that was worked so hard for aside. Whether you took the millions of gil to meld it in 1.0 and it carried over, or if you took days / weeks to beat titan hard mode due to everyone having "lag". I'm biting the bullet on my summoner, taking a different path until things cool down and taking my warrior or white mage in through the gauntlet.

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Originally Posted by Niurok

TESO starts in 2 days, in 2 days FFXIV really wont matter anymore...

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Best of luck, the beta was horrible

This BullS**** is getting ridicolous...

Grinding 3 hours by now in one region, 0 drops... 6 hours total got me 2 stones!

another in my grp already got 10 of it?! seriously... wheres the point in this?

This is like "You don´t like my FATE System... how dare you, i will force you to love it".... that´s like a 5 year old is acting!

Yea, but after you get each book you have to do:

A hunting log, X number of fates, Some dungeons and sometimes a mix of those. Not to mention the books are expensive its kinda annoying to know I have to put every class I have on the back burner and just grind grind grind on my "main" in order to somewhat see this through. I am really just annoyed at just how much work is involved for very little gain. I can only pray that the future updates to this quest are a lot less involved.

I'm so glad I started playing only recently and wasted a lot of time on a class I ended abandoning at ilvl80, so I can be busy with getting all that previous-patch loot for my pal. And when I start wishing for a new shine in my relic it will be fixed.

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Originally Posted by Cairn

I agreed. I want to get my new powerful weapon through some difficult challenges fight but not based on RNG!! :mad:

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This!
Nothing more to say..

Send in complaints everyone. State, POLITELY, your issues with the drop rate. Perhaps they will make changes to this

anyone who's leveled prior to the dungeon exp increase and low level dungeon finder with dailies is familiar with what were doing right now. Fate grinding, except for levels your doing it for RNG drop chances. It's annoying as shit, I didn't enjoy it then and I don't enjoy it now. I thought SE understood people didn't like fate grinding and it was the reason they modified exp in dungeons.... guess I was wrong.

Remember that right now...the relic is the WORST out of the new weapons. It's there as an achievement right now. If you want a real weapon just do what you did in 2.0. save your tomes and buy one and then clear t9 and get the next one.

The new relics are there for people who LIKE those long term "yay look what i did" types of things

If you don't want the new relic there 2 other i100 weapons you can go for. =)

Woke up this morning and logged in. Still no Atma Weapon in my inventory. (Sad Face :-( )

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Originally Posted by PriyaJugulataris

Best of luck, the beta was horrible

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were you part of the xiv beta/release?

It would be unfair to put their beta down when this beta was worse *cough*3102*cough*90k*cough*character to account mismatch* cough

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Originally Posted by Niurok

TESO starts in 2 days, in 2 days FFXIV really wont matter anymore...

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LOL


Nice joke

Wasn't a joke.

Would rather it be like the tank mounts (complete x dungeons as the class) than fate grinding. Idk, maybe 500?

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Originally Posted by PiedPiper

Would rather it be like the tank mounts (complete x dungeons as the class) than fate grinding. Idk, maybe 500?

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This would be far more rewarding then what we have now i have to say. i find it odd they FORCE us to grind these fates to begin with, because most of us really hate fates lol.

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Originally Posted by Blitzace

This would be far more rewarding then what we have now i have to say. i find it odd they FORCE us to grind these fates to begin with, because most of us really hate fates lol.

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Not gonna lie, I lack only the 1,000 gmfates ti get the ps3 platinum for this game, and I might finally get it cus if this. Course, now that I've said that, I'll be 12/12 in like 39 fates.

Couldn't agree more. FATE grinding for an RNG to get one piece of 12 is horrible. There has got to be a better way to do this. If we could at least level up some alternative jobs while doing these FATES it would be just a tad bit more bearable, as it stands we have to have our Zenith relics equipped and just grind away. This reminds me of mob camping back in the good ole days, except they were that good...

Zodiac "The Saga Begins" - Key word is Saga

I'm not doing a single fate towards this until the drop rate changes. I just can't find the motivation to do it.

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Originally Posted by Xzyst

I honestly almost feel like quitting this game because the devs think this is any way acceptable...at least make us do high level FATEs...making me use Stone 1 and Aero 1 to grind FATEs in the newbie zones for days on end for an i100 Relic? You have serious issues devs, what on earth made you think this was in any way shape or form a good idea?

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So true! :(

Wanted to share my distaste for this quest. Extremely lazy work by the devs. I won't be taking part, and as a casual I doubt I can schedule my time to meet organized players who can raid for equal or better weapons. I really enjoyed this game up until now, and for the first time, I am thinking if quitting. It's not that the quest is hard, it's that it is joyless, unimaginative, and that a dev expects me to spend 50 hours on something it took him ten minutes to make.

I am currently 3/12. I have spent 6 hours in Horizon trying to get my 4th piece. I am very close to unsubscribing to this trash game. I had fun in the past, but if they think this is a good idea in any way, this is not a game I want to play anymore.

SE put a lot of time and hype into the FATE system and the community has said time and again "we don't like it"! We don't like when it's required for a quest or a daily or for RNG drops! We don't like your stupid FATEs because all they do is give good exp. if you had a better open world game this wouldn't be as big an issue but you don't. I got my 1st Atma off my 1st FATE then no drops for 4hrs...dumb

Its almost like they were all in a big room giving out assignments for the patch...months ago...and divided the chores...1 group to Leviathan...1 group for main story, 1 group for each new dungeon 1 group for coil, groups for all the other s**t....and then 1 group for the new relics...and they just did f**king nothing the whole time...and then come patch day Devs are just like "we got f**ked, so f**k it, lets f**k the players...low level FATE grinding...make it happen, better than nothin"

And its really not...I kinda wish they just scrapped the whole damn idea until they could come up with something entertaining...

/rantdonefornow

They are going to lose a lot of subscribers over this. And over purchasable retainer market advantages. And over the severe lag issues. And over the lack of difficulty in 4-mans. And eventually over how every fight is a simple "memorize the pattern" design.

SE needs to revise fast.

And if the fact that you absolutely have to do this to continue your relic upgrades isn't enough, it's completely taken over the PF.

Nobody is doing duties anymore, it's all atmas all the time.
It's taking an insane amount of time just filling up groups.

This quest is impacting the game negatively, not only have people declared that they will leave over it, and I don't blame them, lack of high level duties may make other people leave.

Remember 2.1 that also had a quests tied to FATEs? Square didn't learn.

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Originally Posted by Chronos

Remember that right now...the relic is the WORST out of the new weapons. It's there as an achievement right now. If you want a real weapon just do what you did in 2.0. save your tomes and buy one and then clear t9 and get the next one.

The new relics are there for people who LIKE those long term "yay look what i did" types of things

If you don't want the new relic there 2 other i100 weapons you can go for. =)

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I think people are doing the relic because it will be constantly updated. Each patch there is supposed to be an upgrade and they are supposed to become customisable.

This has completely ruined the game for me. I wouldn't mind if the quest said do 500 fates in each zone but the mindless grinding of low lvl shit with no idea of progression is totally dull and boring.

It really has turned this game into an early 00's grinder. What the hell are you thinking? Please either up the drop rates, or tie them to hard bosses like you did with Titan, Garuda and Ifrit. It's supposed to be a challenge based on skill, not a challenge of your patience because of luck!

Honestly, I do not blame people for quitting over this. A lot of people in my FC are considering it and I am, also. This needs to be changed, Square.

My Two Cents:

1. Let’s say I’m a player with 5hrs of game time every day (a fair amount!). During this time I have to decide to dungeon, craft or level up a class...or I can dedicate it entirely to grinding for ATMA. If I’m lucky, I’ll get one every 5hrs. That means it’s going to take me roughly two weeks to earn enough ATMA for my relic (assuming I decide to dedicate my entire game time to this). That doesn't sound too bad, considering that the previous relic took 900 myth or...roughly about two weeks (900/450 cap). There is however one major difference between these two approaches.

a. Getting 900 myth involved doing one of 8 dungeons, CT, 6 different trial modes (EX/HM), Thorn or Coil. The variety kept it fresh, exciting and fun. Not to mention that there was pre-programmed downtime between each task (Queue Time) that you could use to craft, grab a soda or do some event quests. With FATE grinding, all you can do is FATE grind.

b. Getting the first relic also took roughly two weeks because the Duty Finder gods aren’t always kind to those trying to do Titan HM. But it got your adrenaline pumping EVERY TIME you got within 15% of Titan’s death. Not to mention that once you defeat just ONE Hard Mode Primal you were instantly filled with a euphoria of awesomeness. Truly you have achieved greatness and nothing could beat you. With FATE grinding, you’ll be hard pressed to stay awake.

2. I know it can be easy for SE to find this a hypocritical point of view. I mean, who HASN’T FATE grinded to get –insert nontank/healer class here- to 50. Right? I know I did. Here’s the difference though:

a. FATE grinding to level up offered me a certain amount of progression with every monster I fell, with each FATE I completed. There was a definitive, mathematical end to it all. There was no randomness about when you were going to reach 50. It’s this measured amount of progression that kept me motivated. I saw the fruits of my labor with every passing minute. Hey! Just levled up! I got BANE NOW! Woo hooo!

b. FATE grinding for EXP was only one of the multiple methods you could use to get to 50. There were levequests, supply missions, dungeons, guildhests, etc. In this relic quest, you haven’t a choice. There is only one method.

At the end of the day, this version of getting a new relic weapon compared to the previous two methods comes off as an afterthought. It feels like you realized you had made the current relic weapons obsolete with the release of higher level dungeon (or primal) weapons too late to do something creative about it. Giving your players this disappointing experience.

Thank you for reading my letter.

-Iceshiver

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Originally Posted by SkyRavenfield

you just have to farm the atmas once anyways, after that you just need to buy the books for the other relics

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So just confirmed....youre a fu**ing liar sir...why say that if you didnt know if it was true? I wouldnt have even started this s*it if you didnt say that, and you were wrong, you have to farm the 12 atma pieces for EVERY relic you want to upgrade...so yea, youre an asshat

Edit: I agree with all your posts btw Iceshiver, feel you summed it up pretty well and with much kinder words than I can use at this point.

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