So.. ruining leves with no content to replace it?

Isn't MRD the only battle-guild currently in use in Limsa? Eight-man MRD parties anyone? ^^

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Originally Posted by TirionCrey

Did YOU not read that you will get BONUS SP for COMPLETING a Leve now? This could very well make up for reduced link and mob SP in general. Not to mention they said we will be able to link more leves now, so we could basically get the same SP as before with just 1-2 more links on one leve.

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ok please explain with your understanding how 6 people linking for the same sp as 4 people now will not be reduced. you attacked a point and fail at trying to promote your point because it is fundamentally flawed.

the point you attacked was simple. if it takes more after then it did before it is a reduction and it is completely correct.

Not to mention, what are the odds of 4+ people getting the same leves anyway? Especially now that they're making failing leves less attractive.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

leves weren't content...it was just an alternate and rather inefficient way of grinding.

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i couldnt agree more. Leves are bad, worse is the fact that everyone is using them to level in groups. I'm damn sick and tired of all that noise. Want the reason for the lack of skillful play? Its leves through and through, up until they get nerfed, at least...hopefully... There is only one way to get groups in the field, nerf the leves and watch the tension build. I'm starting to rhyme... not good... Honestly, I was a bit worried because up until recently I've been doing leves and behests, but frankly the rant on the nerf isn't a concern. I've been saying, no shouting in game for as long as i've been playing. The fun to be had is not centered around these crystals! The caves YOU FOOLS they're all around, find one get comfy and figure it out. Run around for god sake! You can solo mobs 10 levels above! Party bonus + favor + BRAINS - NOOBS!!!

I think they are trying to ween people off of leves, which is a good thing to do, since they are drastically reducing leve implications on the game. I am sure they realize that they will need to increase some of the mob spawn rates to accomodate for the increase in pts that will be grinding. I am sure they will also be adding something else to fill the void that will be left when leves are downscaled.

My last hope for this patch are the quest hubs. I swear if they get delayed to heads will be rolling!

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Originally Posted by Punxsutawney

I think they are trying to ween people off of leves, which is a good thing to do, since they are drastically reducing leve implications on the game. I am sure they realize that they will need to increase some of the mob spawn rates to accomodate for the increase in pts that will be grinding. I am sure they will also be adding something else to fill the void that will be left when leves are downscaled.

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yeah they realize it and will undergo cost analysis and discussions about the possible implementation of the beginnings of mob adjustments some time in the future. just hang in there and wait for them.

You people need to stop whining... Getting 50k+ sp/hour is way too much, from what I remember when the game was released in grind parties you would be happy if you could already get 13k-15k sp/hour, took effort and time, but you actually felt like you achieved something when you hit 50, right now in grind parties you can get 20k+ sp/hour easily, and about the "too many parties will be grinding in the same spot" shit, like you guys say, the game doesn't have many people so don't expect that many parties grinding out in the field and even if you do find another party, there is still more spots to grind, Eorzea is fucking huge, explore it, you'll find other grinding spots for sure.
Overall, leves make you level way too fast, getting a class from 1-50 in 3-5 weeks while playing 1-2 hours per day is beyond stupid, the ones complaining about leves getting nerfed are either: a) lazy, b) want everything in their hand, c) want to get 50 as fast as possible just to say they have 50.

kthx bye

(Sorry for the rant~)

At first everyone was saying get rid of the leves now when they decide to change we cry. I really don't know what the people want from this game anymore...

I think people are getting ahead of themselves. This u[pcoming patch is bigger then we had so far. And the main focus of said patch is the fixing of the battle system. While in the next patch doing some refining.

We already got people complaining their ARCHERS will be close ragnged fist users.

My advice is stop thinking ahead in the most negative view and just wait.

Also a group never needed the same leves to begin with. People just assumed if they didn't have the same leves that it was... what was the term... leeching. When everyone got rewared no matter who leve it was with some gil etc. So you ruined leves yourselves thinking with that elitistidm mindset.

I like the changes, and yes they are going to add wait of parting with these leve changes. It may not be in this patch due to the battle reform is the main portion. Personally who cares...
no one talks in this game, i mainly grinded my gathering classes till i got tired of the silance. I'm playing WoW just to talk to ppl. Oh and no one bunny hops.

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Originally Posted by Firon

At first everyone was saying get rid of the leves now when they decide to change we cry. I really don't know what the people want from this game anymore...

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Oh i know.... they want AA to socialize.... watch they cry on how bored they are. Like i said a bit ago no one talks.

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Originally Posted by Firon

At first everyone was saying get rid of the leves now when they decide to change we cry. I really don't know what the people want from this game anymore...

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the problem is the people that liked them did not come in here to say anything. people that are happy with certain things do not come in and cry and complain about them. now it is being taken away the people that were doing the weird thing like actually playing the game are giving their reaction to removing the only thing that people come into the game looking forward to.

this is the problem with listening too much to the forums in general. if they want to take ideas off it and put it in overall players polls that people actually signed in and voted on then i can bet the results will show completely different results.

they did a great job originally with the players poll right after yoshi first took over. they have went away from this method because he seen the changes he wanted to make were not what the majority voted for so he went the tanaka route and is doing what he wants instead of listening to the players.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

Also a group never needed the same leves to begin with. People just assumed if they didn't have the same leves that it was... what was the term... leeching. When everyone got rewared no matter who leve it was with some gil etc. So you ruined leves yourselves thinking with that elitistidm mindset.

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Have you ever linked? Because it sure sounds like you haven't.

I personally think they're taking the right direction, but only if they're giving us some other party-driven content instead. I think people are afraid that they will have nothing to do now, more so than they're worried about getting less SP.

think they did this cuz they dont want to add a real party search :( & most people probably solo most of the time.

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Originally Posted by Mug

I personally think they're taking the right direction, but only if they're giving us some other party-driven content instead. I think people are afraid that they will have nothing to do now, more so than they're worried about getting less SP.

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I believe they have done the right thing too. In the meantime the party content is fully implemented I will just either do the rank 30 dungeon, quest hubs (If we go with the producers letter from Yoshida at the beginning of may), what ever other quests they have introduced and/or do leves as usual (Because Leves are still there for groups).

People seem to think the leve reform is only for solo players, but two things are getting fixed here. The solo/casual player reward and healthy partying with leves, encouraging now to finish the leve instead of the previous fail method. Nothing has been taken away.

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Originally Posted by Dyne

There are others games with leves?

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Yes, every MMO have kill x amount of mobs > gain money/gear/sp/etc system.

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Originally Posted by ShadowCadja

You people need to stop whining... Getting 50k+ sp/hour is way too much, from what I remember when the game was released in grind parties you would be happy if you could already get 13k-15k sp/hour, took effort and time, but you actually felt like you achieved something when you hit 50, right now in grind parties you can get 20k+ sp/hour easily, and about the "too many parties will be grinding in the same spot" shit, like you guys say, the game doesn't have many people so don't expect that many parties grinding out in the field and even if you do find another party, there is still more spots to grind, Eorzea is fucking huge, explore it, you'll find other grinding spots for sure.
Overall, leves make you level way too fast, getting a class from 1-50 in 3-5 weeks while playing 1-2 hours per day is beyond stupid, the ones complaining about leves getting nerfed are either: a) lazy, b) want everything in their hand, c) want to get 50 as fast as possible just to say they have 50.

kthx bye

(Sorry for the rant~)

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I agree with you on he leveling speed. I personally can't speak for anyone in this thread, but I'm happy leve linking won't allow people to skyrocket to 50 anymore. (Hopefully) The game, to me, is at a point right now where having a 50 DoM/DoW class is a joke purely due to how fast you can get there via leve linking and doing -nothing else-. I hope they add more ways for people to level up, both for solo oriented and party oriented players.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

the problem is the people that liked them did not come in here to say anything. people that are happy with certain things do not come in and cry and complain about them. now it is being taken away the people that were doing the weird thing like actually playing the game are giving their reaction to removing the only thing that people come into the game looking forward to.

this is the problem with listening too much to the forums in general. if they want to take ideas off it and put it in overall players polls that people actually signed in and voted on then i can bet the results will show completely different results.

they did a great job originally with the players poll right after yoshi first took over. they have went away from this method because he seen the changes he wanted to make were not what the majority voted for so he went the tanaka route and is doing what he wants instead of listening to the players.

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And you think you, as one of the most complaining players about pretty much EVERY aspect of the game, are a valid resource of what should be changed or kept in the game?

The only thing you preach is the armageddon on each and every patch, before it even happened.

I can only repeat myself here. People will ALWAYS do what's currently the best SP/H. If it's not gonna be leves anymore after the patch, they will find equal grinding spots to raptors, for ALL rank ranges. If leves are still gonna be more SP/H than grinding on mobs, people will go on grinding through leves and if neccesarry will go on failing them.

All I can say is, grinding a class through leves is WAY TOO FAST atm. It almost seems like people can't even remember how all of this started and back then people never complained about SP at all! Before the November SP Patch, people grinded on mobs with 15man PTs trying to get hit as much as possible, so casters can get their SP and fighting mobs so way above your rank, so 12 DDs can hit it long enough to get SP before it dies.

After the November Patch the whole leve link/fail thing was already viable. Most people didn't know about it though so it was a thing limited to the players who actually found out about it themselves. I have been in such a group that tested such stuff and we have been a static of 4. Back in early december you know what a 4way linked Leve WITH Aspect gave us SP wise? Freaking 300SP per mob AND WE WERE HAPPY!

The only reason why people complain about this whole leve stuff is, cause they either never experienced the "old times" where people still were happy about the SP, even if it was only 10k SP/h, or they are just lazy asses who want to get to 50 ASAP...

Sorry I remember the times before this whole leve link/fail thing startedand the times right after the leve link/fail was possible and gave HALF the SP than it does right now...and right now I'd prefer the slower grind WAY more than grinding through failed leves in 4 weeks and ding 50.

The problem is not the guildleve change, but what is the planned main focus in party rank progression. If we're going to sit around and make ridiculous statements that we're glad people with more time progress faster (really, why?) we could be raising better questions in abundance to get a word from devs.

They are changing leves. That's great. Give us your new direction then. It's starting to look like they don't have one and that is what is ultimately pissing people off.

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The problem is not the guildleve change, but what is the planned main focus in party rank progression. If we're going to sit around and make ridiculous statements that we're glad people with more time progress faster (really, why?) we could be raising better questions in abundance to get a word from devs.

They are changing leves. That's great. Give us your new direction then. It's starting to look like they don't have one and that is what is ultimately pissing people off.

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they have a direction which is aimed towards party play but people don't want to go that direction and complain.

do quest hubs/subquests for exp
grind world mobs in a party (if you have never tried, dont say that it doesn't work)
do dungeons (it takes an hr to do leves so if u complete a dungeon and gain 20k exp then its pretty much the same thing)

im glad they are nerfing leves which were exploited and wasn't used as intended

There is absolutely NO WAY that once leves are made for solo play that there will be enough dungeons or beast tribes available for months to make up for it. Party play will be shit after we beat the dungeons in a week, then put them on farm.. and beast tribes don't sound like it will be out anytime soon. I'm very dissapointed in the focus on solo play, cause the hardcore players who have been here since day one (like me) would like for some mature end game content. Instead its just getting easier and easier, ruining our game.

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Originally Posted by TirionCrey

And you think you, as one of the most complaining players about pretty much EVERY aspect of the game, are a valid resource of what should be changed or kept in the game?

The only thing you preach is the armageddon on each and every patch, before it even happened.

I can only repeat myself here. People will ALWAYS do what's currently the best SP/H. If it's not gonna be leves anymore after the patch, they will find equal grinding spots to raptors, for ALL rank ranges. If leves are still gonna be more SP/H than grinding on mobs, people will go on grinding through leves and if neccesarry will go on failing them.

All I can say is, grinding a class through leves is WAY TOO FAST atm. It almost seems like people can't even remember how all of this started and back then people never complained about SP at all! Before the November SP Patch, people grinded on mobs with 15man PTs trying to get hit as much as possible, so casters can get their SP and fighting mobs so way above your rank, so 12 DDs can hit it long enough to get SP before it dies.

After the November Patch the whole leve link/fail thing was already viable. Most people didn't know about it though so it was a thing limited to the players who actually found out about it themselves. I have been in such a group that tested such stuff and we have been a static of 4. Back in early december you know what a 4way linked Leve WITH Aspect gave us SP wise? Freaking 300SP per mob AND WE WERE HAPPY!

The only reason why people complain about this whole leve stuff is, cause they either never experienced the "old times" where people still were happy about the SP, even if it was only 10k SP/h, or they are just lazy asses who want to get to 50 ASAP...

Sorry I remember the times before this whole leve link/fail thing startedand the times right after the leve link/fail was possible and gave HALF the SP than it does right now...and right now I'd prefer the slower grind WAY more than grinding through failed leves in 4 weeks and ding 50.

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undoubtedly i am. it seems i am unhappy with the game as well as the vast majority that have already left the game. the truth is only a select few people play the game at this point. they play for one of 2 reasons. 1 they like super easy hello kitty games or 2 they are leveling classes hoping the game will be made better. the vast majority have already left so i'd guess the unhappy ones on here are better aligned with what the majority that got this game wanted.

yes, i have talked about how bad the patches from this upcoming patch would be. i stand by it. the more notes and letters from the developer that are released more of the people that have supported the changes are moving towards the same direction also. i've seen many people that religiously talked up these changes are now getting nervous because of the information that has came out about them.

you think you are the only one that did crab parties? yeah they were so much fun......beat on a mob over and over and get 60sp and have a mage max proc every mob we fought. btw 300 sp would be fine with me. i am not saying the reducing sp gains is bad, but by moving this content to solo catered content it just removes about the only thing people enjoyed doing without replacing it. yes, they said they will in the future, but i have fears about how many will still be here to see them.

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undoubtedly i am. it seems i am unhappy with the game as well as the vast majority that have already left the game. the truth is only a select few people play the game at this point. they play for one of 2 reasons. 1 they like super easy hello kitty games or 2 they are leveling classes hoping the game will be made better. the vast majority have already left so i'd guess the unhappy ones on here are better aligned with what the majority that got this game wanted.

yes, i have talked about how bad the patches from this upcoming patch would be. i stand by it. the more notes and letters from the developer that are released more of the people that have supported the changes are moving towards the same direction also. i've seen many people that religiously talked up these changes are now getting nervous because of the information that has came out about them.

you think you are the only one that did crab parties? yeah they were so much fun......beat on a mob over and over and get 60sp and have a mage max proc every mob we fought. btw 300 sp would be fine with me. i am not saying the reducing sp gains is bad, but by moving this content to solo catered content it just removes about the only thing people enjoyed doing without replacing it. yes, they said they will in the future, but i have fears about how many will still be here to see them.

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You're a hyprocrite. You say 300 SP would be fine for you, but at the same time you say moving leves towards catering solo players is "taking away the only thing people enjoy".

Well if you'd really enjoy it that much, what will keep you from doing it EVEN with getting less SP? You are just argueing about stuff when the only and sole reason you don't want this to happen is getting reduced SP...you are obviously NOT fine with getting 300 SP, cause otherwise you could give a ***about this change. You are contradicting yourself in ***...getting 300 SP(which is around 50% of what we get now) is fine, but reducing the SP in leves is taking away content without replacing it for something else? Get your arguments straight and then argue with valid reasons...

I will repeat myself. You say you're fine with getting reduced SP and that's ALL they are gonna change about Leves...but this sucks? You are just...

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Originally Posted by GabbaGabba

they have a direction which is aimed towards party play but people don't want to go that direction and complain.

do quest hubs/subquests for exp
grind world mobs in a party (if you have never tried, dont say that it doesn't work)
do dungeons (it takes an hr to do leves so if u complete a dungeon and gain 20k exp then its pretty much the same thing)

im glad they are nerfing leves which were exploited and wasn't used as intended

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They never stated a clear direction. They look to be just taking a shot in the dark. There have been no mention of quest hubs since letter 9. It's still up in the air if it's even going to make it in 1.18. Unless an update preview for it comes next week I wouldn't really expect it.

Grinding on mobs is something I have done and it is viable. Surplus is an annoyance when it comes to field grinding though and I'd like to know when surplus will actually be removed.

Gaining SP during a dungeon is something that is stated as an option through the devs. I wouldn't count on it being wildly popular in a progression sense though. More so for the gear and item rewards. Also, what are you doing to make 20k an hr. during leves? I make 80k SP in an hour of a leve run. That example doesn't equate. Of course, this is basically the reason why they have been dumbed down and rightfully so, but we come back to this. What is the main focus in rank progression going to be now?

They cannot say, that all options are equal. They won't be and that is near impossible to develop progression systems and line them all up that way. There is always going to be a main system of progression with options. I suppose the players will just have to figure out what that will be since no one really cares to fill us in on it.

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Originally Posted by TirionCrey

You're a hyprocrite. You say 300 SP would be fine for you, but at the same time you say moving leves towards catering solo players is "taking away the only thing people enjoy".

Well if you'd really enjoy it that much, what will keep you from doing it EVEN with getting less SP? You are just argueing about stuff when the only and sole reason you don't want this to happen is getting reduced SP...you are obviously NOT fine with getting 300 SP, cause otherwise you could give a shit about this change. You are contradicting yourself in Bullshit...getting 300 SP(which is around 50% of what we get now) is fine, but reducing the SP in leves is taking away content without replacing it for something else? Get your arguments straight and then argue with valid reasons...

I will repeat myself. You say you're fine with getting reduced SP and that's ALL they are gonna change about Leves...but this sucks? You are just...

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ok first thing, you are in constant violation of tos.

second, i will have most every class already capped so i could care less about the sp.

third, if leves go to being catered to a more casual group then the parties will happen less. party play is what makes the game fun not running stuff solo. that is not a contradiction, but pure fact.

you can call whatever you want, but truth is you are just ignoring the facts.

This thread title is misleading, in that it implies that guildleves were not already a half-baked flustercuck on arrival.

Only a player over rank 35 can grasp how terrible this is. There's a huge exp/sp sink to get to rank 50. You don't feel this "hump" till around 35. It around there you get a rank everyday with a good grind/leve sesh (mean you link leves with at least 4 people using all good leves and failing sometimes). Soloing isn't fun to me, but neither was this grind past the 30s. SO either way they've kinda effed up on the fun department here. If you guys like soloing thats effing cool, but I haven't noticed very many people with higher level ranks in staunch defense of this new system. And i would love leves to not be the main focus of the game, they suck, they really do. If you like leves, and you've made it 50 and you liked the whole failing leves thing and all that, I think you're crazy. But thats just me. For some people this is their first mmo and their expectations are low, I get that. They can't just tell me "solo to 50 then group up with people" or "solo to 25 then group up to do dungeons and behest, and then rank up to 45 by yourself and do dungeons again with people", every mmo now a days does that, less mmos do "party gameplay" making the original concept of leves original. They could come out and say "oh we have party based plans", which they did say, but it sounded like its coming out 1.20 which is slated for September, they don't understand we have real lives now, I have college to attend in september, so i'll just chill and wait for party based play in mmo...that's just not right.

If I'm understanding the OP correctly he's asking if they plan on changing leves from the focus of the game why not hold off and do it once you have something else in place first?
And that I agree with.

But I have the feeling that SE has been tracking the leveling progress and it may be that players are able to rank up faster than what they would like, so overall they may want to change to game to slow it down some.
Although I enjoy being able to level quickly I would understand if that's what SE wants to do. Just be quick about getting rid of surplus and we'll call it even.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

yeah they realize it and will undergo cost analysis and discussions about the possible implementation of the beginnings of mob adjustments some time in the future. just hang in there and wait for them.

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darkstarpoet, what state is XIV in? Would you call the game "retail ready" yet? Are you paying to play? You don't seem to understand that although SE has not officially labeled XIV as back in Beta, it most certainly is at that stage.

It will be fixed as soon as they can. It's as simple as that.

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darkstarpoet, what state is XIV in? Would you call the game "retail ready" yet? Are you paying to play? You don't seem to understand that although SE has not officially labeled XIV as back in Beta, it most certainly is at that stage.

It will be fixed as soon as they can. It's as simple as that.

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balbanes, did we or did we not buy a retail copy? just because some on these forums want to call this beta does not change the fact you can still buy the retail version of the game in stores....aka it is released not beta.

would i call it retail ready? no not at all, but undoubtedly se did since they did and still are selling the game.

if se were to take it back to beta they would only need to stop selling the retail version in stores. i know my local game stop still sells it because i bought a copy for my mule just about a week ago.

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darkstarpoet, what state is XIV in? Would you call the game "retail ready" yet? Are you paying to play? You don't seem to understand that although SE has not officially labeled XIV as back in Beta, it most certainly is at that stage.

It will be fixed as soon as they can. It's as simple as that.

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Since we are currently not paying to play, it is pretty safe to assume the game is not retail ready and that technically we are still in beta. Most of us wanted to be in beta, we just all ended up having to pay cash to do so :) No worries, we got a leg up on the new players that will come in after this game is fixed.

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ok first thing, you are in constant violation of tos.

second, i will have most every class already capped so i could care less about the sp.

third, if leves go to being catered to a more casual group then the parties will happen less. party play is what makes the game fun not running stuff solo. that is not a contradiction, but pure fact.

you can call whatever you want, but truth is you are just ignoring the facts.

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This just hilarious, how am I ignoring facts?

Fact 1: SP gets reduced for leve linking and for each mob killed.

Fact 2: Finishing a leve will give you extra SP(based on difficulty setting, completion time etc)

What does this change about Leves being part of this game and people being able to do them at all?
I will repeat myself once again...you say this will keep people from PTing on leves because Yoshi says they will be catered towards solo players?

Well, I'm just worried if you are able to think that far but apparently not...doing leves NOT solo is STILL gonna be MORE SP, compared to doing them solo. Doing them solo is just supposed to give you some sort of progression AS WELL(which is not the case right now after you hit mid/late 30s)

PS: First...I don't care if I'm in constant violation of the ToS...people like you don't seem to get it w/o throwing stuff like that at your face.

Second...your signature and more importantly your Lodestone Profile(as it is more up to date than your signature) tells me you won't be capped on all before the patch...so obviously you DO care.

NOTHING that will change about leves would keep people from doing leves in group...NOTHING...what is so hard to understand about that?

Leve links and mobs in leves will give less SP...but doing them Solo is gonna be even less...so what is everybodies point in this argument, especially you Darkstar...you just seem to fail at thinking 1 step ahead...all you see is reduced SP...just think...it might make your head hurt, but do it, it will pay off in the end!

Just to back up what Tirion said, heres what i posted in another thread "worrying" about a similar topic:

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The reduction in bonuses from Linking and the Addition of finish bonuses will still make leve-partying a viable option until they add a load of content. The finishing bonuses with leves are better when you do it hard and fast (mind the pun).

So solo you can do say a R20 leve solo at 1 star in 20mins and you get 1500sp bonus at the end, but you try in a party that could do it at 4stars in 10mins and the bonus is much better and everyone in the party gets it.

Not actually sure about if everyone gets the same amount or if helping nets you just a little less than the "host" unless you link).

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This just hilarious, how am I ignoring facts?

Fact 1: SP gets reduced for leve linking and for each mob killed.

Fact 2: Finishing a leve will give you extra SP(based on difficulty setting, completion time etc)

What does this change about Leves being part of this game and people being able to do them at all?
I will repeat myself once again...you say this will keep people from PTing on leves because Yoshi says they will be catered towards solo players?

Well, I'm just worried if you are able to think that far but apparently not...doing leves NOT solo is STILL gonna be MORE SP, compared to doing them solo. Doing them solo is just supposed to give you some sort of progression AS WELL(which is not the case right now after you hit mid/late 30s)

PS: First...I don't care if I'm in constant violation of the ToS...people like you don't seem to get it w/o throwing stuff like that at your face.

Second...your signature and more importantly your Lodestone Profile(as it is more up to date than your signature) tells me you won't be capped on all before the patch...so obviously you DO care.

NOTHING that will change about leves would keep people from doing leves in group...NOTHING...what is so hard to understand about that?

Leve links and mobs in leves will give less SP...but doing them Solo is gonna be even less...so what is everybodies point in this argument, especially you Darkstar...you just seem to fail at thinking 1 step ahead...all you see is reduced SP...just think...it might make your head hurt, but do it, it will pay off in the end!

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I just dont think it's worth arguing with it. Waste of breath it is. mr. darkstar doesn't seem to understand a lot of things

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Originally Posted by TirionCrey

This just hilarious, how am I ignoring facts?

Fact 1: SP gets reduced for leve linking and for each mob killed.

Fact 2: Finishing a leve will give you extra SP(based on difficulty setting, completion time etc)

What does this change about Leves being part of this game and people being able to do them at all?
I will repeat myself once again...you say this will keep people from PTing on leves because Yoshi says they will be catered towards solo players?

Well, I'm just worried if you are able to think that far but apparently not...doing leves NOT solo is STILL gonna be MORE SP, compared to doing them solo. Doing them solo is just supposed to give you some sort of progression AS WELL(which is not the case right now after you hit mid/late 30s)

PS: First...I don't care if I'm in constant violation of the ToS...people like you don't seem to get it w/o throwing stuff like that at your face.

Second...your signature and more importantly your Lodestone Profile(as it is more up to date than your signature) tells me you won't be capped on all before the patch...so obviously you DO care.

NOTHING that will change about leves would keep people from doing leves in group...NOTHING...what is so hard to understand about that?

Leve links and mobs in leves will give less SP...but doing them Solo is gonna be even less...so what is everybodies point in this argument, especially you Darkstar...you just seem to fail at thinking 1 step ahead...all you see is reduced SP...just think...it might make your head hurt, but do it, it will pay off in the end!

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Originally Posted by Lodestone

Up until now, guildleves have been positioned as the heart of gameplay in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Going forward, however, guildleves will be reborn as solo-oriented content that can be enjoyed with minimal time and fuss.

The skill point bonus will be abolished for battlecraft leves. The amount of skill points awarded for slaying individual enemies will be reduced, but this will be offset by the inclusion of skill points as a reward for leve completion. To accommodate this change, factors such as recommended/actual rank disparity, completion time, and partial participation will be made to influence the amount of points yielded. In addition, leve linking and sharing bonuses will be reduced, while the maximum number of linkable leves will be raised.

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I bolded the parts in which you seem to not understand. Think about it a little more. What looks more desirable? Solo play or party play?

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Originally Posted by TirionCrey

This just hilarious, how am I ignoring facts?

Fact 1: SP gets reduced for leve linking and for each mob killed.

Fact 2: Finishing a leve will give you extra SP(based on difficulty setting, completion time etc)

What does this change about Leves being part of this game and people being able to do them at all?
I will repeat myself once again...you say this will keep people from PTing on leves because Yoshi says they will be catered towards solo players?

Well, I'm just worried if you are able to think that far but apparently not...doing leves NOT solo is STILL gonna be MORE SP, compared to doing them solo. Doing them solo is just supposed to give you some sort of progression AS WELL(which is not the case right now after you hit mid/late 30s)

PS: First...I don't care if I'm in constant violation of the ToS...people like you don't seem to get it w/o throwing stuff like that at your face.

Second...your signature and more importantly your Lodestone Profile(as it is more up to date than your signature) tells me you won't be capped on all before the patch...so obviously you DO care.

NOTHING that will change about leves would keep people from doing leves in group...NOTHING...what is so hard to understand about that?

Leve links and mobs in leves will give less SP...but doing them Solo is gonna be even less...so what is everybodies point in this argument, especially you Darkstar...you just seem to fail at thinking 1 step ahead...all you see is reduced SP...just think...it might make your head hurt, but do it, it will pay off in the end!

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ok i will spell this out for you one more time and then i am done discussing anything with you.

1. if less people party for going the solo route then you will have less options to party with and less parties running.

2. it is what makes the game more fun is to play in a party. i don't care if it removes sp or it gets rid of parties in leves all together as it removes one of the aspects people will party with.

3. mrd for example will only be able to get their marks in limsa leves, for example. if you are playing thm and your leves for marks are in grid what is the chance of going and completing the leves with them in limsa? i am not saying you in particular, but people in general. this will lead to either parties of straight mrd in limsa and people not learning basic party structures or more people running their leves solo.

4. i never once said i would have every class capped. i said most.

"second, i will have most every class already capped so i could care less about the sp."

there i copied my own post that you decided to quote. yes, right now i have gla 35, lnc 31, and mrd 28 that are not capped. i will likely have gla capped before the patch or very close to it. i will have arc, thm, con, gla, and pug caped with only lnc and mrd not capped. if that's not most of them i'm not sure what math you use.

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Originally Posted by TirionCrey

This just hilarious, how am I ignoring facts?

Fact 1: SP gets reduced for leve linking and for each mob killed.

Fact 2: Finishing a leve will give you extra SP(based on difficulty setting, completion time etc)

What does this change about Leves being part of this game and people being able to do them at all?
I will repeat myself once again...you say this will keep people from PTing on leves because Yoshi says they will be catered towards solo players?

Well, I'm just worried if you are able to think that far but apparently not...doing leves NOT solo is STILL gonna be MORE SP, compared to doing them solo. Doing them solo is just supposed to give you some sort of progression AS WELL(which is not the case right now after you hit mid/late 30s)

PS: First...I don't care if I'm in constant violation of the ToS...people like you don't seem to get it w/o throwing stuff like that at your face.

Second...your signature and more importantly your Lodestone Profile(as it is more up to date than your signature) tells me you won't be capped on all before the patch...so obviously you DO care.

NOTHING that will change about leves would keep people from doing leves in group...NOTHING...what is so hard to understand about that?

Leve links and mobs in leves will give less SP...but doing them Solo is gonna be even less...so what is everybodies point in this argument, especially you Darkstar...you just seem to fail at thinking 1 step ahead...all you see is reduced SP...just think...it might make your head hurt, but do it, it will pay off in the end!

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Sorry man but these are assumptions, we don't have any proof at this moment of how SP will be as solo compared to party play. Hell SE might make it to where if you have 8 people all linked with GA on the same leve get less SP than someone running it solo. At this point WE DO NOT KNOW. Just hang tight til we can post possible issues regarding the changes after they have come. Until then, kinda doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

ok i will spell this out for you one more time and then i am done discussing anything with you.

1. if less people party for going the solo route then you will have less options to party with and less parties running.

2. it is what makes the game more fun is to play in a party. i don't care if it removes sp or it gets rid of parties in leves all together as it removes one of the aspects people will party with.

3. mrd for example will only be able to get their marks in limsa leves, for example. if you are playing thm and your leves for marks are in grid what is the chance of going and completing the leves with them in limsa? i am not saying you in particular, but people in general. this will lead to either parties of straight mrd in limsa and people not learning basic party structures or more people running their leves solo.

4. i never once said i would have every class capped. i said most.

"second, i will have most every class already capped so i could care less about the sp."

there i copied my own post that you decided to quote. yes, right now i have gla 35, lnc 31, and mrd 28 that are not capped. i will likely have gla capped before the patch or very close to it. i will have arc, thm, con, gla, and pug caped with only lnc and mrd not capped. if that's not most of them i'm not sure what math you use.

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unless u played the patch or have a crystal ball, everything u just said is speculation and pure assumptions.

raise ur hand if you knew at the launch of this game that everyone would migrate to uldah and do the same damn levequests over and over and over for the next 7 months? no one? right.

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Originally Posted by GabbaGabba

unless u played the patch or have a crystal ball, everything u just said is speculation and pure assumptions.

raise ur hand if you knew at the launch of this game that everyone would migrate to uldah and do the same damn levequests over and over and over for the next 7 months? no one? right.

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and everyone arguing the worries are stupid are doing the same thing. the point is nobody knows what is happening and people state their worries and get blasted by these forum trolls. who's to blame for the fact that nobody knows? it would be se for it's lack of information.