Software Token for WP8

The smart phone using Windows Phone 8 is not put on the market in Japan.
I think that this fact has also influenced. ;-(

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Originally Posted by Zorblack

Very disappointing.

It is not hard to have this app and shows a lack of commitment to protect our accounts. KeyFobs are not an acceptable alternative.

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(By the way they have physical ones you can buy and are infact an acceptable alternative you just choose not to take the initiative and thus place the blame on SE for not supporting a very, very low market of users.)

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I see declining sales shares for Blackberry and iOS and increasing sales shares for Android and Windows...

I'm a bit baffled as to why people would be actively against SE expanding access to account security features. This would be a win on all sides except account hackers...

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You always seem confused or baffled when people won't fully support the LCD - Even app developers rarely support Windows phone, it's not just SE.

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Originally Posted by Strifex

Bayohne, I know you're busy but I'm a Windows Phone Developer and I'd gladly develop the app for free. If there is someone I can talk to at SE regarding this please let me know :)

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This is the reason I love programmers!

But I'd say there's no way they'd let you help, because it ties into the core of their account security and it's just too risky to have that rest upon a piece of paper (NDA) with an outside developer.

Perhaps there are licensing issues with Microsoft? I'm work in software localization, not a developer, but I realize sometimes the licensing of apps can be so convoluted people give up on it.

I am guessing they don't have many Windows 8 phone in japan

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

You always seem confused or baffled when people won't fully support the LCD - Even app developers rarely support Windows phone, it's not just SE.

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I just get confused when people are outright against things that don't hurt them and may in fact help them (by reducing the number of hacked accounts). >_>;

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I just get confused when people are outright against things that don't hurt them and may in fact help them (by reducing the number of hacked accounts). >_>;

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Yeah as said, it's largely likely due to it having almost nil support in Japan lol, since honestly, Android phones seem to be the biggest thing right now either due to the fact windows phone seem to be the most expensive or simply because android/ios is the easiest to push out and have the most deals with companies. Even though someone said buying a keyfob isn't an alternative, both can be session hijacked so if you own a windows phone and your only option is a keyfob and you'd much rather go without the extra security since you can't get a 'free' version...that's pretty bad :\

I'd rather have the fob over the app though honestly. (I got both since I'm still using mine from my 1.0 CE back in 2010.)

While it would be nice to have a token and the libre feature for Windows phone. Those market share numbers and growth are world wide.
However Windows phone has almost no presence in Japan therefore it will not get developed (even if the market share quadrupled in the rest of the world).

Unless they have changed tradition from all of their games and services online.
It is JP 1st then the rest of the world. So it would not matter how popular Windows phone became until the JP start using it then it is a no go.

Simple as that and it makes sense as this is a Japanese company. (Similar to what the US companies do (US first everyone else 2nd)).

Actually there is a company that makes the physical authenticators for blizzard/SE and all the others that use them, saw their booth at bizzcon. I imagine they work for others outside the gaming circle, would be good for corporations needing that kind of security solution.

WP8 uses windows RT, which is on windows 8 and 8.1 it stands to reason the real reason they arent going to give an app for WP8 is they dont want it on windows 8 desktops and laptops. ofcourse I'm just speculating here but that was what microsoft intended with windows RT was to make a cross platform for all new versions of windows and microsoft devices to possibly use

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I just get confused when people are outright against things that don't hurt them and may in fact help them (by reducing the number of hacked accounts). >_>;

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Except most of these people aren't against it. They do however know WHY it's not happening. Has nothing to do with being against it.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I see declining sales shares for Blackberry and iOS and increasing sales shares for Android and Windows...

I'm a bit baffled as to why people would be actively against SE expanding access to account security features. This would be a win on all sides except account hackers...

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We are posting many reasons why SE could possibly not be doing it right now. We aren't against it.

Blackberry use to have a 15% market share and has dropped so much in recent years because their smartphones and service has lacked over the years compared to bigger shares like Android and iPhones.

Just because they gained some percentage, windows is still a very very low market share and its share is even lower in Japan.

Also SE has been making mobile games for iOS and Android for years. So they know the programming well. They have released only 2 windows phone games and nothing new for it since March of 2013.

I'd put my money on the fact that Microsoft refused to cooperate with Square Enix to bring FFXIV to their platforms.
But then again, it could be anything.

IMO, I'd just use an alternative and call it a day.
Sure, I'd prefer to run it on my WP. It's more convenient. But eh, it's not the end of the world.

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Originally Posted by Tashigi

I'd put my money on the fact that Microsoft refused to cooperate with Square Enix to bring FFXIV to their platforms.
But then again, it could be anything.

IMO, I'd just use an alternative and call it a day.
Sure, I'd prefer to run it on my WP. It's more convenient. But eh, it's not the end of the world.

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Windows is made by Microsoft which everyone playing on PC uses.

Ok, so everyone knows...all it costs to make an app is a small yearly fee to be a "Windows Phone Developer" (iOS has the same type of fee). The OS "shouldn't" in any way effect a developer's ability to implement their security algorithm. If SE is willing to work with me or another developer it shouldn't take long to create a simple authenticator(Security Token) app, even Blizzard has an authenticator app for Windows Phone. I'm sure they could come up with some sort of NDA (non-disclosure-agreement) that a developer could sign so when square shares the required information regarding the security key the developer can't share it without getting sued.

Honestly we won't know there reasoning behind it unless they come out and say it...that being said I'm willing and I'm sure there are other devs out there who would take the time to make this app to help the Windows Phone community.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Windows is made by Microsoft which everyone playing on PC uses.

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Steam and Microsoft don't have a good relationship, either (See lack of Steam app for WP).
Their main user base is on Windows.
It's more a matter of principle. Some companies do not support the model/plans Microsoft has with gaming and vice versa (Merging everything with Windows 8/XBOX for instance).

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Windows is made by Microsoft which everyone playing on PC uses.

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I don't see how SE would need Microsoft's cooperation to bring this type of app to the platform...it shouldn't require any tools that don't already exist inside the Windows Phone SDK.

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Originally Posted by Tashigi

Steam and Microsoft don't have a good relationship, either (See lack of Steam app for WP).
Their main user base is on Windows.

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From what I've seen this has to do with Gabe being ex-Microsoft and having some sort of unholy fascination with spewing misinformation about the platform and trying to get people to move to Linux.

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Originally Posted by Strifex

From what I've seen this has to do with Gabe being ex-Microsoft and having some sort of unholy fascination with spewing misinformation about the platform and trying to get people to move to Linux.

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He has a valid point to do so. My edit above is one. Another being that games (Seem to) run better on the Linux version (Clone) that Valve is playing with lately.
Among some others.

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Originally Posted by Tashigi

He has a valid point to do so. My edit above is one. Another being that games (Seem to) run better on the Linux version (Clone) that Valve is playing with lately.
Among some others.

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Yeah, I agree but that has more to do with Valve spending more time on their Linux versions. I was merely making a point that there was a reason for Microsoft and Valve not getting along. As for SE and Microsoft publicly they appear to have a good relationship when showing off FFXIV 2.0 before it was launched all the shirts they were wearing said "Windows 8" and they were accompanied by Microsoft reps at some of the conventions they attended.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Windows is made by Microsoft which everyone playing on PC uses.

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Windows is kind of a universal platform for things though, however much like Windows CE in the day, Microsoft can likely be weird about licensing...but I doubt that's the case here.

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Originally Posted by Strifex

Yeah, I agree but that has more to do with Valve spending more time on their Linux versions. I was merely making a point that there was a reason for Microsoft and Valve not getting along. As for SE and Microsoft publicly they appear to have a good relationship when showing off FFXIV 2.0 before it was launched all the shirts they were wearing said "Windows 8" and they were accompanied by Microsoft reps at some of the conventions they attended.

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Aye, I remember this.
It's weird, but could be just about anything. To be honest, I am not a fan of Microsoft's "leadership" myself, I do like a couple of their products, including WP. Too bad they're not doing enough to support their own devices.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I see declining sales shares for Blackberry and iOS and increasing sales shares for Android and Windows...

I'm a bit baffled as to why people would be actively against SE expanding access to account security features. This would be a win on all sides except account hackers...

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Not for SE, who has to spend time, money, and manpower to develop that. I imagine that the ROI for developing such a thing wouldn't make the minimum.

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Originally Posted by Keyln

Not for SE, who has to spend time, money, and manpower to develop that. I imagine that the ROI for developing such a thing wouldn't make the minimum.

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You don't do everything for ROI in big companies.
Most of the big companies write applications for Windows Phone, not because it's very profitable, but because it's better from marketing point of view.

And to be honest as a developer I can surely say that time and manpower for writing such basic application is absymal at best.

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Originally Posted by Strifex

Bayohne, I know you're busy but I'm a Windows Phone Developer and I'd gladly develop the app for free. If there is someone I can talk to at SE regarding this please let me know :)

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I don't think it's about developing itself but about licensing fees / costs related to publish is on MS store comparing to target market.

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Originally Posted by HEC

I don't think it's about developing itself but about licensing fees / costs related to publish is on MS store comparing to target market.

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You mean - that $19 (or $99 without the promo) Square-Enix has to pay yearly?
They do it anyway - published Final Fantasy I and III so the publishing cost is already paid.

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Originally Posted by ispano

His point was that Windows Phone users are a very small part of the market, and it's likely not worth the cost to make it for the system at this time.

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Its not expensive to create a WP app. There are actually MSFT tools that will port your android or iOS code to a WP friendly format, plus WP uses HTML5 for apps as well, and just about any code jockey could make an HTML5 app for this in hours since SE would have the API already.

Is it possible to have the software and token at same time? Someone told me its not possible.. so i said i rather have the real thing sitting in my house.. where as my phone can get lost or damaged.

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Originally Posted by Synapse

Is it possible to have the software and token at same time? Someone told me its not possible.. so i said i rather have the real thing sitting in my house.. where as my phone can get lost or damaged.

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You can only have one active per SE account regardless of type. If you try to register another it won't let you unless you deactivate the other.

Also if they would just provide a QR code you could use this app which works with Google and other services

http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/st...b-78e7d1fa76f8

FYI

There are 3 operating systems Microsoft has
1. Windows on Desktop (the one you use to play steam and ffxiv games).
2. Windows RT (also known as Windows on ARM). I is a different OS and has no relation or compatibility with any other OS.
3. Windows Phone is a mobile OS, and is essentially a rework of the older Windows Mobile OS in response to Android and IOS. It runs your standard mobile apps (eg twitter, facebook, instagram, etc). These are not desktop or tablet tools. The largest Windows phone device is 6" (Nokia Lumia 1520).

If they ever made it available I would use the Libre apps, but I would not use the token as I primarily use my phone for games and business (office/outlook) at work. SE does have a few games out for the phone. I also don't know of any phones that are Steam compatible.

So there has clearly been some misunderstandings. That is probably an issue with the smaller but growing market size, and that everything is called Windows.

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Originally Posted by cloverkitty

FYI

There are 3 operating systems Microsoft has
1. Windows on Desktop (the one you use to play steam and ffxiv games).
2. Windows RT (also known as Windows on ARM). I is a different OS and has no relation or compatibility with any other OS.
3. Windows Phone is a mobile OS, and is essentially a rework of the older Windows Mobile OS in response to Android and IOS. It runs your standard mobile apps (eg twitter, facebook, instagram, etc). These are not desktop or tablet tools. The largest Windows phone device is 6" (Nokia Lumia 1520).

If they ever made it available I would use the Libre apps, but I would not use the token as I primarily use my phone for games and business (office/outlook) at work. SE does have a few games out for the phone. I also don't know of any phones that are Steam compatible.

So there has clearly been some misunderstandings. That is probably an issue with the smaller but growing market size, and that everything is called Windows.

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Windows RT is a framework, it is used on windows phone 8(which is windows CE based, WP7 is similar but I'm uncertain if it uses the RT framework or not) and on tablets, and its also the modern apps for windows desktop, in effect they are trying to make it so most windows RT apps work on windows desktops as well as their phones and tablets.

many of the WP8 apps already work on windows 8(8.1) with little to no modifications. microsoft did this on purpose because they are afraid they will be left behind if they dont take action

hope this clears things up for you. you should also note that many of the windows RT apps are planned to be usable on the xbox one

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Originally Posted by Schmak01

Yeah but now you have to carry around this FOB on your keychain letting everyone know you are a giant nerd any time to take out your keys. Some of us like to remain in the closet...

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That thins it literally identical to the one my bank gave me, save for the colors.
Beside, why should you have to bring it with you at all times in the first place?

I started with a Nokia Lumia 928 and have since upgraded to a Nokia Lumia 1520. To me, it makes sense to have the software token created for this platform. Until it is made, (if ever), I'll have to continue to use the hardware keyfob.

I hate this stupid thing and want to go back to my Android.
The app selection is terrible. Mostly just cheap ripoffs of other boring apps. Whenever I go out and see a useful app, it's always for the other systems.

Soon as the contract is over, I am dumping this phone OS for good. Hardly worth it just to have a decent camera on my phone.

Just want to give this thread a bump, as I'd still love to see an authenticator application for Windows Phone.

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Originally Posted by Craiger

But why ?

I know for a fact that programming an app like this is very easy, especially since they already have an app for iOS and Android.... I could do it myself in no time at all. It won't cost them anything.

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Wand what is the fact, that you know how it works?

Srsly, get a real token,

WHY you ask?

Problems phone have that real tokens have not, or at least less. Be it iOS, Android or windows phones.

Sofware crashes somehow wiping all apps.
Phone being submerged in some kind of liquid, damaging it beyond repair. (it can happen to the real token too, but the sticker on the back helps you to remove it from your account with the hotline)
Phones still get stolen.
Your battery dies and you have no charger with you because of, whatever.

I had one on my iPhone, with EVERY system update and app update I had to remove the token from the system and add the new one.

It would be nice if they just used a generic authenticator. Windows Phone DOES have one of those, from Microsoft proper, which uses the same algorithm as Google's generic auth. I used it for Wildstar. Wildstar said to use Google's authenticator or their own proprietary one, but I instead used the Microsoft one with success.

SE using their own only is odd to me. I should be able to use the Google/Microsoft one in its place.

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Originally Posted by Kimikryo

Wand what is the fact, that you know how it works?

Srsly, get a real token,

WHY you ask?

Problems phone have that real tokens have not, or at least less. Be it iOS, Android or windows phones.

Sofware crashes somehow wiping all apps.
Phone being submerged in some kind of liquid, damaging it beyond repair. (it can happen to the real token too, but the sticker on the back helps you to remove it from your account with the hotline)
Phones still get stolen.
Your battery dies and you have no charger with you because of, whatever.

I had one on my iPhone, with EVERY system update and app update I had to remove the token from the system and add the new one.

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Advantages a phone app has over the hardware version:

An emergency reset password in case you no longer have access to the app any more. Not sure there is such a thing for the hardware version

Well, this sucks a big pile...

Looks like I'll be holding on to my old iPhone to use as a token device. Sigh...........

And yes, the generic authenticator from google worked great for Wildstar. I'm sure the Windows phone one would too...