Do you respect or awed by level 50? No?

Respected and awed? Really?
We got right here a demonstration of what epeen is.

It's far more rare to come across a player who is polite and courteous than someone in max gear/lvl. If there was a way to turn genuine commendations into equipment it would be the only gear I'd see as respect worthy.

So I should shower you with praise and throw gil at you because you're max lvl with an Allagan weapon? Pass, I was never in "awe" over anybody in any game. I give respect to people who show respect, not the ones who join a DF/PF rages and expects everyone to listen to them because, "I've been running BC since October, I have 6 50's! I've beaten this over X times, I'm from X server." and the more recently "I'm almost full 90, you're still in dl/ct gear!"

Also, high lvl monsters in low lvl areas would just be a pain. Idk what its like on the server you're playing in, but Midgardsormr's population takes a huge dip around 9pm-11pm pst, pretty much dead at that point, 1-2 parties in pf, or in most cases, none after midnight. Most of the people I see on at that time are new players or max lvl players waiting for df while they lvl alt classes or just standing around.

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Originally Posted by Hitome

Ever seen Twintania use fireball and conflag at the same time? You know...something not normal?

Yes the fights in this game are incredibly easy which is why most of the playerbase whines about them and/or hasn't completed them.




I don't understand..you say fights are easy in this game yet have not completed some?

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1. I hardly get a chance to do Coils.

2. What I have to do in that fight is significantly easier than healers and tanks.

3. 1 fight out of the entire game takes a few well timed reactions does not make up for the rest of the game!

I much rather see something to aim and respect than the ongoing trend of shaming that is prevalent in this game. People are expected to beat every last piece of content before they can voice their complaints, and of course when they do, they get the same canard of "epeen" "No lifer" "Don't rush thru content, dood." It's like people pride themselves in game by how much they don't do.

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Originally Posted by Ispen

I thought Dark Souls was easy after some initial trial and error some people think it's BDSM in game form but that's my opinion. I could be a dick and say i find it insulting that you think Dark Souls is hard but i'm not going to.

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The game is really easy on the first try, did you play it to new game +7 (The maximum difficulty it can reach)? Everything kills you in nearly a hit and takes for ever to kill.

The 4 Kings and the Orstein and Smough fight, and Manus are not easy fights when 1 hit kills you and these fights have multiple or constantly attack enemies.

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Originally Posted by Hycinthus

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I don't understand. Why do you want to strut around like a peacock? Why do you need to awe someone else?

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Originally Posted by Sylve

I don't understand. Why do you want to strut around like a peacock? Why do you need to awe someone else?

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Why does everyone need to look the same? What so social about not giving a damn about anyone?

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Why does everyone need to look the same?

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Vanity system comes soon.

yeah, but the social aspect of not caring about nothing and no one? Apart from "friends" that may or may not have been selected arbitrarily from the user? will that change?

Personally I don't know what you're all talking about, when I was level 1 in my hyuran clothes with my weathered short sword and someone walked in to the waking sands wearing a bladed lantern shield and a flame captains flachion with some awesome looking scale armour or something I'd be going "that looks awesome! Can't wait til I get that!" No glowing auras, no Maat fight, no raise 3, no Dragging an NM's carcass in with em to impress me, their gear just looked cooler than mine, is that not enough?

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

Personally I don't know what you're all talking about, when I was level 1 in my hyuran clothes with my weathered short sword and someone walked in to the waking sands wearing a bladed lantern shield and a flame captains flachion with some awesome looking scale armour or something I'd be going "that looks awesome! Can't wait til I get that!" No glowing auras, no Maat fight, no raise 3, no Dragging an NM's carcass in with em to impress me, their gear just looked cooler than mine, is that not enough?

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When i first saw somne of the Allagan gear, particularly the Melee DPS and Tank stuff, i was just like:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JeHogXatJB...her-of-god.gif
I want that!

This isn't FFXI.

On the subject of personal achievements and awe, here's something I've been doing that is readily available, but few ever take the time to do: no allagan gear required ;)

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23FFXIVJump&src=typd

If you want to be special then get every allagan item for your job or achieve BiS.

I think the bottom line is this:

We all show respect in different ways for different reasons. We all have different opinions of what "fun" is. We all have different ideas of what is challenging, and whether or not we want things to be easier or more challenging.

No MMO will ever cater to ALL of those differences. You can get on this message board and post your ideas, your desires, your dislikes, and might reach the developers and make a difference.

What you won't do is convince other forum users that your thoughts and ideas are better, or more correct, or whatever. You're just being silly. You're also part of the reason people on the game say to newcomers "Welcome to the game! Avoid the forums."

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

1. I hardly get a chance to do Coils.

2. What I have to do in that fight is significantly easier than healers and tanks.

3. 1 fight out of the entire game takes a few well timed reactions does not make up for the rest of the game!

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You don't seem to understand the issue:

1) You haven't experienced all the fights in the game so whether you think they are difficult or not is irrelevant.

2) Tanking is easier than DPSing (if you play DPS properly...I have my doubts)

3) There are several: not just 1. Might know this if you were in coil more often.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

This isn't FFXI.

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This.

Also, I didn't instantly respect or become filled with a sense of awe upon seeing a max level in FFXI. It was a grind. Not a challenge.

Umm what?
People achieving something/being highest lvl/having best gear, etc in a GAME doesnt make me respect or be in awe of them. Good for them and congrats for getting it, but expecting to be revered because of things you got in a game is sad.

I wasn't really ever awed. Honestly, as others said, it's more rare to come across nice and courteous players. Players that don't rage quit, belittle their party members, or troll. I respect players like Mr. Happy and the Order of the Bluegartr--I wouldn't say awed. Yes, it's impressive that they can clear that content, but I respect them because they create content for their fellow players (sponsors or not).

What about those who's sense of enjoyment of this game involves making other people become in awe of them?

People still want this in a casual game where mostly everything is obtainable with little/no effort.

So why not find out who these people are and give them some magnificent aura or free gear so we can worship them or.... avoid them.... I'd love a filter that people with this aura can be automatically removed from queues that I'm in! :p

You want to be unique? Go do endgame gear at the exact item level requirement, better yet make your whole team like that.

I don't understand why people want max level to mean something. All it really means is you've got more time to play. Something like what I hear about Maat to where
you can't get any further with your job unless you know your job would be cool. But that's about it. No shiny auras, no retarded grinding.

Why should ppl be awe with my existence.....

Not that I can walk around town dragging a dozen lalafell in chains and wear the finest Miqo'te pelts.

The thread title doesn't make sense. Not sure how to reply.

i remember in my old eq days, when i was a lowbie....i was in awe after seeing a high lvl mage (enchanter) followed by an awesome pet :3 , decided to try that class and omg was fun as hell.....after being max lvled, rerolled magician (my main after that :3 ) and have been playing pet classes since then .....

ffxi, i wanted to play summoner.....tarutaru of course! :D ppl tried to punt me .....until i summoned my friend and told them try to punt me now <mhaura><hahahaha>

example :

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...8193233pj6.png



ffxi did 1 something right with summoner and thats how pet looks :D


nowadays nah , maybe because u arent a kid/young anymore and watching ppl at max lvl with endgear is meh ...ok looks cool but thats it...

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Originally Posted by HumsterMKX

Why should ppl be awe with my existence.....

Not that I can walk around town dragging a dozen lalafell in chains and wear the finest Miqo'te pelts.

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Dont you want to be an object of envy?

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

i remember in my old eq days, when i was a lowbie....i was in awe after seeing a high lvl mage (enchanter) followed by an awesome pet :3 , decided to try that class and omg was fun as hell.....after being max lvled, rerolled magician (my main after that :3 ) and have been playing pet classes since then .....


nowadays nah , maybe because u arent a kid/young anymore and watching ppl at max lvl with endgear is meh ...ok looks cool but thats it...

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Those were the days... I still remember black belt means something as a Mnk. Was the only Mnk in my HNMLS to have it, got it before I joined them.

Regarding your punt Smn thingy.. Some Taru did that once. I punch his pet flat then lick his tears off his face. (>_>.

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Originally Posted by Hycinthus

Dont you want to be an object of envy?

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Naaa... I have enough enemies already.. don't want anymore unwanted attention.

This has got to be trolling. This whole thread reads like a bad parody. People aren't really THAT open about their insecurity and need for entitlement. Are they?

"Awe" was probably a poor word choice by the OP.

I've never been overcome with a sense of "awe" in real life, why would I in a video game? About the closest I ever came to be "awed" in real life, was when I had lunch with Muhammad Ali... but it wasn't awe, it was just a sense of deep respect for his accomplishments. I was an amateur boxer/kickboxer at the time, I knew how much work it took to prepare for a fight. To be able to have a conversation with the absolute best at that profession was very cool. You better believe I listened closely to everything he told me.


Now, looking at it in that regard, I kind of agree with the OP.

When you enter a MMO world and see someone who is max level with all max gear, you should somewhat have a feeling of respect for the time/dedication that they put into achieving those results. It doesn't mean you should bend over backwards and offer to make them a sandwich... but, if you're in a duty roulette roll and someone who is level 50 with max gear offers you a suggestion on something you can do to improve your gameplay, you should probably listen to it.

Will everyone? Of course not. But, hitting "max everything" shouldn't be something that any goober who spends 100-150 hours should be able to achieve. There should be some skill barrier.

I look at it this way. I have a buddy who has spent 12 years studying nutrition/fitness and is employed full time as a personal trainer and nutritionalist. When he offers me free pointers on exercises that I can add to my training regimine, or gives me diet tips... I listen to him. Not because I am in "awe" of him, but, because I know he spent a ton of time learning all he can possibly know about optimal nutrition/fitness. People pay him hundreds/thousands of dollars for the advice that he gives me for free.

I can look up nutrition/fitness information and I can do farily well using that advice. I can't spend 8-10 hours a day focusing on it though. He can, because it's his career. Even if I don't listen to EVERYTHING he says, if I'm thinking of adding something new... or, if I read an article with information that I had not heard previously, I'll run it by him to make sure it's legit. Why? Because he has the knowledge base.


It should somewhat work the same way in MMORPG's. Not everyone should be able to hit lvl 50 in every class and max out all classes in the best gear. There should be some high level content that only the truly dedicated should be able to achieve.

Don't get me wrong, everyone should be able to complete the main story. Everyone should have access to that optional challenging contect (having access and doing are two completely different things). That content should only be achieveable by those who put in the time/dedication to defeat it though.

Some of it can be grindy time sink (I guess they kind of have this with Chocobo level'ing), some of it can be extremely difficult raid content (Coil? Is it really that hard? I don't know, I only started playing about 45 days ago and I'm already up to HM primals and have breezed through CT multiple times)... but, these avenues should exist in a successful MMORPG.


I think that OP was trolling, but, I kind of see where they are coming from. When I see someone who has an Allaghan weapon in FF14, it doesn't tell me that person is highly skilled. Especailly when there are a bunch of FC's offering Coil runs for gil.


And I know, I know, we're only on version 2.1, there is plenty of time for SE to eventually add this content. I hope that they put it in at some point though. I'd like to attempt it.

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Originally Posted by Amenian

This has got to be trolling. This whole thread reads like a bad parody. People aren't really THAT open about their insecurity and need for entitlement. Are they?

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Do you consider gaming to be something to be ashamed of?

As people have stated earlier in this thread: My awe and respect is reserved for people that take the time out of their lives to create content for other players to enjoy and progress. PoV videos, instructional videos, entertaining songs, or blogs, or artwork about the game. These people are the ones that enhance our overall experience in and out of eorzea. Not the guy who was the first one to sport full allagan.

Also... in ffxi, I was way more in awe of the WHM that would hang out in valkurm giving out raises to goblin victims than I was of the player with the dynamis weapon talking down about 90% of the server. That guy can eat a d**k.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Do you consider gaming to be something to be ashamed of?

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No. Gaming is not something to be ashamed of. Feeling like you need some special gear or skills to earn respect and show off your eskills is. Respect is earned, not by items, but by actions. You want respect? You want awe? Earn yourself a reputation then. No amount of gear will earn you the respect and awe that a reputation for skill and character will.

No, because as you can see by some of the responses, a lot doesn't exactly have good attitudes in this community.

No! Respect have to be earned!

When I want to blow some minds, I just change to warrior -> Defiance -> Infuriate -> Steel Cyclone. Works every time.

my god maat on summoner would be boring as can be. NPC + player just stand there getting hit by there summoned pets and casting Dots + fester - energy drain - ruin -.-

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Originally Posted by Amenian

This has got to be trolling. This whole thread reads like a bad parody. People aren't really THAT open about their insecurity and need for entitlement. Are they?

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Whao... you must live in.

1) A great place/town/city/country

2) You living alone for too long.

I don't think the OP meant players should bow down or praise high level characters. He means there should be some meaning to getting items or hitting max level. Why were people in "awe" at high levels or people with rare items? Because it meant they had to take time to progress to get to that state. It also meant you tried harder to do so and when you DID get to max level or got that rare item, it was a "HOLY SHIT YESSS" moment.

This doesn't really exist in XIV...

AF1: Yay, I clicked the circles and my gear appeared!
DL: I did the same easy dungeons (or speed runned) over and over and bought my gear!
Relic: Everything minus Titan HM is easy, while Titan HM is the only part that you may have some accomplishment in. Though this is more on not having a person on your team that brainfarts or is lagging rather than Titan being a hard fight.
Myth: More of the same with DL.

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Originally Posted by Umo

What!? I mean, why do new players have to respect players at max levels? :confused:

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Seconded. I have a couple jobs @ 50 yet see myself no better or worse than any other player.

We're all players on equal status IMHO, and there is really no reason for people to look at level 50 players with "awe". I don't care how glowy your gear is.

It is just a game after all and it's supposed to be fun, not a popularity contest. :cool: