Commendation System: So who get's your vote?

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Originally Posted by Shinalia

I'm generally healer, so I scrutinize tanks. They'll get the hearts if they do well and/or "lead" the party.

Otherwise I give commendations based on incredibly specific criteria.

• Were they friendly? Not just "hello" but do we socialize and joke around to some degree?
• Do they help out the first timers? Do they exhibit patience?
• Subligar always get commendations.
• Do they have an "amusing alias?"
• Is their name LITERALLY "Amusing Alias?"
• Anyone from my FC/LS. This actually happened once purely by random.
• Did they invent a particularly creative sob story about why they absolutely need commendations? Hey, I like being entertained!
• I once gave a commendation to a tank because he ran in yelling "For Vanadiel!" Nostalgia hearts.

Mostly, how much are you helping me enjoy the game? That's why we're all here after all, isn't it?

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*wins thread*

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Originally Posted by Yunnie

Regretfully, there has been someone out there that left right before I was able to commend them, because I was asking if anyone was on my Server so that I might Friend them. Now I make sure to vote people before I continue to socialize. But yes, I agree, people who would like to receive commendations should wait a little before exiting the dungeon.

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Hello!

During the creation of the Player Commendation system was being created, we planned to make it so you could vote for people even if they are no longer in the instance. However, we had to drop this from patch 2.1 as it involved making core system changes to the game itself. We are continuing to look into whether or not we can implement this in the future.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Hello!

During the creation of the Player Commendation system was being created, we planned to make it so you could vote for people even if they are no longer in the instance. However, we had to drop this from patch 2.1 as it involved making core system changes to the game itself. We are continuing to look into whether or not we can implement this in the future.

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Could simply add a message with the check option of "Never showing this again" that simply states "Are you sure you wish to leave the instance without commending a player?" and if they hit yes they leave the instance, they hit no, then they can go commend a player.

For me it's as simple as "who earned it".

Which player did the best at whatever it was they were doing with no pre determined preference of roll as to not add favoritism to the mix.

And if all else fails... Whoever is most friendly or has a good sense of humor.

People who talk (real talk, not just a 'hi' and a 'gj' after the dungeon).

People who make my job easier (had a dps offer to handle the adds on the Tonberry King... that was worth a comm, not because I couldn't, but because they offered).

Healers that don't let me die when I am tanking.

Healers that help us to win dungeons that I know are healing intensive.

DPS that can attack things as numbered (when I am tanking and the healer lets me die, or when I am healing and I think the tank doesn't deserve a comm.).

The "Other" dps when I am dps'ing and no one has really done anything to stand out.

Anyone who was actually doing their job correctly/well. I usually don't DF much, except for my daily MS DR run and any Prae/CM runs I may do later in the day for fun/spiritbinding respectively. Especially when it comes to CM, a lot of people who have obviously been in the run before and have gotten higher tier gear, still play very, very poorly. I've had CM runs where I gave no commendations because everyone in the party was just that bad.

My highest rate of commending seems to go to dps usually, simply because they've shown to be smarter than most tanks I get. Tanks and healers are about even when it comes to how many I've thrown commendations at. Socialness isn't big on my list of things to care about when it comes to PuGs, so even if someone doesn't speak the entire run, if they've shown they're good at their class and play smart, they'll usually get a commendation.

I usually get commended every time I do a dungeon. I haven't been in too many dungeons where people forget. Had a dungeon where someone asked to trade commendations lol

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Originally Posted by revonine

I'm curious of other players way of thinking on this, who do you guys determine worthy of your vote be it DPS, tank or healers?

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Nice question and thread.

First, I always give a commendation unless everyone leaves before I have the time to select anybody. :P

My criteria are, from most to least important:

1) Try to do any role-playing (never happened yet).
2) Being friendly and/or informative.
3) Being the other DPS and volunteering for a task.
4) Doing unusual/funny things.
5) Saying anything besides "Hi" and "Gj" (unless insults or fits of temper).
6) Being a decent tank or healer.
7) Being a decent DPS.
and...
8) If only one stays long enough to receive the commendation, they get mine in any case just for taking the time. I noticed that almost always I receive theirs, too. Great minds think alike, lol.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Hello!

During the creation of the Player Commendation system was being created, we planned to make it so you could vote for people even if they are no longer in the instance. However, we had to drop this from patch 2.1 as it involved making core system changes to the game itself. We are continuing to look into whether or not we can implement this in the future.

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Suggestion for the commedation system:

If you enter an instance with your FC members or premade you cannot vote for eachother and that is fair enough.. but.. you cannot vote for ANYONE atm and i don't think thats fair on the other members.. for example, me and 2 other FC members went to CT together.. I recieved 2 commendations from the DF members but i wasn't able to commed the Main Tank who did a good job..

Can you not make it so we are blocked from voting for out premade but able to vote for DF?

this will probably not be seen, would love to see some feedback on it though

I don't usually talk in PT's - for me as Tanking if I'm on it - I can't chat or I just lose focus. I try to pull fast and make sure that I'm not wasting anyone's time. I'll say Hi in the beginning but that's about it.

These are the aspects I look for in people too. Not everyone is a social butterfly. Some who are quiet are the best players. I simply choose people based on their skill. If they went out of their way for the mechanics of the fight then I'll give them an award.

/really dislike people who beg for it. If you did your job, you'll get one. I promise.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Hello!

During the creation of the Player Commendation system was being created, we planned to make it so you could vote for people even if they are no longer in the instance. However, we had to drop this from patch 2.1 as it involved making core system changes to the game itself. We are continuing to look into whether or not we can implement this in the future.

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Don't worry about it ^.^ players should just wait a bit after finishing to say their farewells, thanks yous and commendations.

I feel bad not being able to commendate nice players when I join a duty with my friend. We should still be able to give commendations to the other players. :<

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Originally Posted by mero-ix

I feel bad not being able to commendate nice players when I join a duty with my friend. We should still be able to give commendations to the other players. :<

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This so much!
I've had several amazing people in my parties that I wasn't able to commend because I was w/ a friend.
It's perfectly acceptable that I cannot commend my friends because we're in a premade group. However, as others have said it is unfair to those players who join up using duty roulette and do an outstanding job.
I hope SE addresses this soon!

but to answer OPs question.
I commend players who are friendly, helpful, and play their role well.
I know it can be difficult to talk in party especially if you're tanking. The game design doesn't exactly encourage party conversation. However, efforts should be made since it really helps make the experience in that dungeon a lot better.

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Originally Posted by Camate

making core system changes to the game itself

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Could you also please make changes to the loot system as well?

(1) The auto-loot in Crystal Tower must be resolved.
(2) In 2.1, when everyone left and I am the only person to then open a coffer, I still had to wait for the full 3 minutes countdown. This should not be the case.

Ideally why not let us receive items in the mail or simply drop it on us even if we have left the instance? Often there are people who don't roll and it's quite a waste of time to have to wait for them. More people are rolling now thanks to having the GC provisions window fixed, but there could still be cases when we are wasting time waiting around.

my order (as a healer):

if there is new player in the team (like during roulette)
1/ new tanks who played well
2/ new player who was better than the tank
3/ veteran tank

if no new players
1/ any players that I remember by the end of the run
2/ if no memorable player, to the tank if he did not screw up

I'll commend pretty much anybody if I think they were the MVP. But it's easier for me to to quantify it negatively. The people who don't get my vote are one or more of the following:

a) rude
b) pushy/impatient
c) way worse at the game/their role than they obviously think they are
d) begging for commendations
e) blatantly ignoring a guildhest's instructions and causing repetitive failure

Due to this, my commendations pretty evenly fall on any role.

For me I give:
1-First timers and new players
2-DPS (we don't get much love)

During WP runs, my comm goes to any whm who didn't spam holy, or to tanks that knew where to pull enemies to avoid sir stabby the 14th's patrolling friends~
Dps get my comm /if/ they take note of tank's max health and monitor how many stacks of rancor the king has~

for most other dungeons -
A) anyone friendly
B) happy to explain boss mechs to new players
C) anyone who played their part particularly well
D) new players who didn't try to hide their lack of experience and who were happy to try different tactics. (One such instance was asking a CNJ to augment killing the fire sprites in halatali's final boss)

1. Anyone that speaks more than 2 characters
2. Anyone that does their jobs to the best of their perceived ability, because sometimes you can tell between a bad lazy healer and someone that is really trying their best.
3. Knows mechanics or asks before fights instead of winging it.
4. Anyone who commends me, even if I didn't perform my best.

anyone except Tanks and Healers. :mad:

its usually the other dps in the party. only if he's rude/doesnt play his job correctly. then i would pick either tank/healer (random). :confused:

Kind of off topic but I noticed some people who had their 500 commendations within a few days of implementation on Blamung server. Abuse of the system much? Might want to look into that, SE. :)

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Originally Posted by Bloodmoon

Kind of off topic but I noticed some people who had their 500 commendations within a few days of implementation on Blamung server. Abuse of the system much? Might want to look into that, SE. :)

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It isn't really that hard. Roll a tank/healer and do the first few Guildhests repeatedly and be nice. I got about 15 in my first hour of playing when commendations came around with Guildhests only and I wasn't even farming them, I was just doing Guildhests to unlock new story content. There are many people out there that will sit and run the same Guildhest repeatedly for a few hours each day.

If anything they just underestimated how much people are willing to farm when you don't put a weekly cap on something. Mindless grinding isn't new to the majority of MMO players.

I agree so much that we shuld be able to command someone else even when we are with friends...I guess it's complicated though coding a different system so that it blocks out the person/s you queued with. But it's sad. When I do CT I never ever queue alone, but still theres many other people in my group who I'd like to commend and can't. Same with all the other dungeons I duo queue for...there's 2 other persons who are missing on commendation.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Hello!

During the creation of the Player Commendation system was being created, we planned to make it so you could vote for people even if they are no longer in the instance. However, we had to drop this from patch 2.1 as it involved making core system changes to the game itself. We are continuing to look into whether or not we can implement this in the future.

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Classic considering by the time you have finished watching the end cut scene the player/s have left,so I am basically voting for thin air....

I usually give my vote out for whomever actually did the best in their role that run. That being said, I know I've done really well as a summoner in dungeons with a bad tank and a terrible healer only to come out without any commendations. This whole "Healer and Tank" patting on the back thing is really disheartening for DPS players.

I usually give it to the person that made the biggest difference in the run. It's generally reserved for players with good damage output. But I might give it to a healer if the damage output is pretty regular and maybe I wiped the group pulling too much trash and they didn't get upset about it.

I don't usually give it to a tank though. Unless they tank as good as or better than me :p

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Originally Posted by Nel_Celestine

I usually give my vote out for whomever actually did the best in their role that run. That being said, I know I've done really well as a summoner in dungeons with a bad tank and a terrible healer only to come out without any commendations. This whole "Healer and Tank" patting on the back thing is really disheartening for DPS players.

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I'd happily give my vote to you Nel because you're famous ;)

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Originally Posted by Bloodmoon

Kind of off topic but I noticed some people who had their 500 commendations within a few days of implementation on Blamung server. Abuse of the system much? Might want to look into that, SE. :)

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The first two or three guildhest only take 5 or 6 minutes to do so theyve basicly just ran that 500 or so times.

I if I have the time will evaluate every player on the instance. IF I find they generally help me out as a tank, such as virusing adds, debuffing a boss, really good dps, heal really well, I'll hand out commendations. But the primary motivator will be kindness. IF I see a player being helpful especially if we have a new person, then I'll hand out a commendation to them as well. I hand out commendations to all players not just the healer.

Just added this to another post I was reading, but then I saw this so adding it here.

My Commendation method:
Terrible run? No commendations for you
No one stands out, and it's a smooth run? Tank/Healer (depending on which I'm playing)
No one stands out, and dps is really fast? Top DPS
Bad Tank and a DPS protects me? DPS
Crowd Control in weaker groups? BLM
Great Conversation? Whoever I enjoyed talking to most
Explains fight IF someone needs it? Helpful person (I've gotten a lot while leveling bard for this so I know others do it too)
New player that is willing to take advice and learn? All yours (I wish I finished the AK run with the fresh WHM that I had to coach to not use cure II all the time and not pre regen, and believe in their aoe heals, cause they actively appreciated all of the advice and followed through)

What I'd really like for them to do though, is allow those in groups to commend people not in their group, I ran WP on my tank with our FC's top dps blm and brd and the healer was fairly fresh (had obviously done WP before but they were only around 3k health) I asked if they would be comfortable with speed pulls (skill > gear) and they said they'd try. So I went through my normal speed run pulls and they really kept up, sure I had to burn some excess cooldowns, and our dps thought I was crazy but no wipes no deaths and it was a smooth fast run. I wanted to give them commendations SOOO bad. But alas I could not.

http://i.imgur.com/zqL3KZK.png
So I decided to join a Crystal Tower run in progress and they were already at the last boss. Few words were said upon my arrival. After the run however I experienced something that will more than likely never ever happen again.

dps almost never get mine, usually it goes to the tank IF the tank 1) held aggro, 2) didnt dance around like a tweeker in need of a fix, if the tank fails to do both then it goes to the healer, unless he let everyone die numerous times then i give it to the dps :p

The thing is, I rarely commend tanks anymore. It seems everyone wants to commend them for holding aggro, and as of late, that is really, really easy. Many will blame DPS when they fail to do their job (I have run into tanks who will not tank adds in areas they ought, or they mark a target as 1 and go on to attack something else...) Healers of course are a consideration as they tend to keep everyone alive, and can add some lovely DPS if they understand their class. DPS? Well, most people won't commend them since they are 'face roll' easy (So are tanks guys) But... if I notice they are doing proper rotations, keeping DoTs up and dealing with mechanics properly, they get my beans... I mean, commendation. Whoops, wrong game.

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Originally Posted by Eardstapa

It seems everyone wants to commend them for holding aggro, and as of late, that is really, really easy.

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I think most people encourage tanks because it is the rarest job so that could encourage them to continue
the more tanks there is the shorter the DF queue

I wish there was a way to give commendations when joining an instance with a light party. I play tag team with my hubby and 90% of the time we do events together, which seems to cut me off from commending people. Those few times I do the duty roulette alone (i'm not a cultist of the WeeklyTomeCap god, Twelve forbid! ), I appreciate a relaxed and positive attitude; and people who do make their best effort, rather than sit there pressing 1 2 3 cause "that's the best rotation". things can and will go array :) it's part of the fun. what we do with it makes the difference.
When i started as WHM on FFXI a decade ago and my back-then mentor introduced me to XP parties, he advised me to ask myself if there was anything else i could do to help the party. if the answer was no, then i was doing my job properly.
I find myself still using the very same meter today, so I appreciate and reward anyone in party that shows that enthusiasm the most

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

I think most people encourage tanks because it is the rarest job so that could encourage them to continue
the more tanks there is the shorter the DF queue

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That will always be a problem that plagues MMOs no matter what. Tanking oft feels unrewarding to the player, and many people get a strange satisfaction out of large numbers and killing things. Of course, there are also players that get the same satisfaction from having a rather hefty pool of HP and mitigation... Having tanked for about five or six years in MMOs now, I have seen all sorts of things. Reactive tanking (Blissful) Proactive tanking (When done right, blissful) Tanks that can deal damage, and so forth. FF14 tanking is easy, and often seen as boring which is why I feel we may not see many tanks... But I digress. Commendations going to a tank because they are a 'rarity' is a farce when many will play a tank just to farm for the rewards.

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Originally Posted by Mirakumi

/really dislike people who beg for it. If you did your job, you'll get one. I promise.

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This is how I feel. I had a archer beg for accomidations at the start of a run, then proceeded to ignore kill order, pull before tank and just play bad in general.

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Originally Posted by DenzelTaru

Suggestion for the commedation system:

If you enter an instance with your FC members or premade you cannot vote for eachother and that is fair enough.. but.. you cannot vote for ANYONE atm and i don't think thats fair on the other members.. for example, me and 2 other FC members went to CT together.. I recieved 2 commendations from the DF members but i wasn't able to commed the Main Tank who did a good job..

Can you not make it so we are blocked from voting for out premade but able to vote for DF?

this will probably not be seen, would love to see some feedback on it though

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I agree. I encountered a good guy (as in, one that is good at their role) but can't commend because I was in a party with my friend.

They really deserved a commendation

I give it to the player in the group who stood out to me as doing their job the best. I base it on performance, not role.

People who have multiple jobs: does it seem like some jobs are easier than others for commendations? I have been leveling my bard and it seems like I get at least one commendation each run, even when I don't think I did anything particularly noteworthy.