Sorry for party droppin'

The first boss in AK is hard because it sort of assumes your healer will occasionally remember to cure the snare (so you can dodge AEs) and that your tank is supposed to pick up golems (DPS who aren't overgeared for AK can't tank golems very easily). Usually you'll get none of the above and it's actually pretty challenging. Demon Wall and Anantaboga are pretty much self-contained fights where everyone just does their own things so you don't have to worry about getting killed because someone else isn't paying attention. Even the purple orb, it's usually pretty obvious if someone's going to deposit in the wrong place so you should be able to get out of the way.

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Originally Posted by SkyfangRauss

I did it. the party I cleared it the first time with did it. none of us had ever been inside that instance before

we wiped a single time on demon wall, because none of us knew what to expect.

I don't know why you people are saying you need more than AF to do AK when you really, really don't.
if you cant push out enough dps to drop demon wall in full AF, then you shouldn't be playing dps.

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Video or it never happened.

The main problem is efficiency. Most players want to grind the most efficient way possible and being under geared makes the runs slow as well as teaching new players how to play. Everyone wants to rush rush rush rush because repetitive farming is boring. I don't mind helping new players I think it's fun to see them learn and get better but I hate players that try to gimp content by going in extremely under geared. I'm sure you can do content with crappy gear but that's probably because other players are pulling way more weight than you.

There's also a lot of fake elitists out there that think they are better than pug players but in reality their skills isn't that good and they try to talk down to fellow dfers. Hate those fakkers.

If i remember correctly, I passed Ak with Af gears and ilv 55 weapon (tank), it is not as hard as I thought it would be.

I completely understand the OP

Till this day if I am healing a DF AK I still have a 'did that just happen??' moment when the group downs 1st boss before the big Golem gets close or the if demon wall goes down about the same time the Bugs spawn.

While I agree you don't need DL for AK, to those saying people do it in bikinis and what not, all the runs like that I've seen the DPS have relic+1. If you have competent DPS with relics, you don't even need a tank. In fact, on a somewhat unrelated note, the fastest runs I've ever had through AK are with 3 DPS and a healer.

I agree with a good portion of these posts in that AK is a gear check for many, because they can't pass the skill check. Most fights, if you pass the skill check you automatically pass the gear check. If you fail the skill check, well how badly you failed it determines how stiff the requirements are for passing the gear check. In other words, a skilled group can complete AK in AF. A very unskilled group struggles even with relics and DL. Hopefully there are no groups where all 4 players suck enough that they couldn't complete it if fully geared in top-tier gear, and if they do exist, please DF gods never let any of us stumble upon them...

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Originally Posted by teh_nam3less

Video or it never happened.

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do u really want a 119 minute video?

I actually still have the log from that fight. If you want, I can upload it to LogRep when I get around to updating the client

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crafted militia gear (hq)

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that's basically like saying there is a significant difference between AF and AK gear

which there is

which is why i did not include it in my calculation

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Do you know what "adds up" means?

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i do not think i would rely on 7 defense and 4 vitality to save my life that early.

especially since it looks like crap

do you know how many times I have run wanderer's palace? enough times. i have only seen the chain coif drop 3 times

you could run WP for 4 very minor upgrades... or you could run AK for a very significant upgrade in most slots. i think i'd rather use my time getting something a lot better than getting something slightly better

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Originally Posted by LTEvil

Af and a lvl 44 weapon from vendor is fine if you aren't garbage. With that being said having wp gear makes it easier but isn't needed/required unless bad of course.

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sic em lt insatiable

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Originally Posted by Delorean

7 Defense. 4 Vitality.

I remain unconvinced.

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And anywhere from 5-20ish of STR/DEX/INT/MND/PIE, acc, crit, det, s.speed from only armor alone, not including accessories. That's a significant amount, even if you don't want to believe it.

Again, people aren't saying that you can't do AK in AF and AH accessories. You can do it just fine, if you're good at your job and party role. Good players can do a lot of things, but getting 4 good players together in a random duty finder pug isn't usually one of them.

If you're bad, then the rest of the group can usually make up for that. But a full group of AF geared sub-par players won't be able to do it easily, if at all.

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

Again, people aren't saying that you can't do AK in AF and AH accessories.

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These people seem to think just that though.

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Originally Posted by Uriahnool

You were all in your AF gear, very nice gear, but AK requires a bit more.

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Originally Posted by blowfin

Lol, no. AK is designed for a tier above WP I.e. You're meant to have some lvl 55 items for it. AF doesn't really cut it except for the body.

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Originally Posted by Alyko

Good luck getting past Demon Wall in full AF. That boss is a hard gear check.

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If you understand the mechanics then it's not that hard. Well I should add and you know your class, if not you can be carried by people who do.