Loot distrobution is bad on coil turn 1 (possible bug)

AK first boss chest is definitely the same way as this. whats it drop, all of the head, neck, hand, and what else for all classes? i ran that thing prob 200 times by now, and i never seen the hoplite gloves, i ended up getting DL after about maybe 20 runs, but I'm thinking wow, do they drop? I know they do cause people tell me how they greed it cause no one needs it when they are in a DF group. Pretty wild.

My group has literally NEVER gone to coil and NOT seen the int ring drop. We've been in for 5 weeks now and have seen it every single time.

What are you talking about all I see is damn dragoon gear getting tired of it

OMG we see never any dragoon loot and you see dragoon loot all the time on a super giant streak of 5 times for each of us the system is completely fubar this is proof of it please fix SE !!!!

On a related note: we do have some people complaining of the crapton of tank gear dropping (about half for us i would say ?). Can't say i'm complaining :p


Edit: a lot of complaint that "only drg loot dropping" are probably also due to no one bringing drg to coil. If it drops just as it should, well, you should get almost 1 drg per coil group (5 dps jobs, 4 spots). But most people bring only 1 melee (not almost 2 as should be the average), and more often mnk than drg. Thus, most drg gear goes to waste. Rng being Rng, some people will get more of it, some less -- and those getting more are also more likely to complain about it. Inb4 "ohnooooess only drg gear why SE u hate me so much ?"

My coil group gets bracelets of aiming every week on turn 1.

From what I've seen so far all dungeons after L30 have messed up loot tables getting progressively worse the higher the level. Though the one that bothers me the most so far is Cutter's Cry. That many chest and that large of a list of gear that can drop there (greens) and yet only ONE of the chests actually drops green gear... very poor design.

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Originally Posted by Casper

They said loot distribution is off in coil for the two chest. Basically, the comment suggests that it may seem harder to obtain loot for a specific class because most of their drop are concentrated in a single chest (especially if the loot table of that chest is bigger than the other). They did not say anything that justify people whining that they have not seen x or y gear in z runs of "insert dungeon or whatever here". This is just rng and people complaining for the sake of complaining.

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Casper, I think you are missing the point. Let's say one chest has 13 items and another has 4, the item you want is in 4-item chest and the item I want is in 13-item one - your chances of getting the desired drop are much higher than mine (1/4 vs. 1/13).

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Originally Posted by Longshot

This sucks because I've never seen the dragoon pants and now after the fix it could be that much longer

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Actually, if they fix the two chests to drop the same number of items, the chance that you get your dragoon pants will go up! It will go from 1/13 to 1/9.

This explains why I've never seen my caster tiara ._.

Please also increase Chests per Turn. 3-4 seems more reasonable since it's limited to once per week. At the current rate, even if you could finish to Turn 5 and if every drop was a new drop, it'd take 12 weeks. Just adding RNG increases that to like 40 weeks. ><

This thread saddens me as I have yet to see the DRG legs drop even once in turn 1... Q_Q

That aside our tanks are having a really bad time with loot.

I am a little worried about how long getting everybody Twintania's loot will take knowing only 1 peace of gear will drop and a weapon takes the other slot.

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Originally Posted by Osias_Qol

This thread saddens me as I have yet to see the DRG legs drop even once in turn 1... Q_Q

That aside our tanks are having a really bad time with loot.

I am a little worried about how long getting everybody Twintania's loot will take knowing only 1 peace of gear will drop and a weapon takes the other slot.

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C'mon guys... Read better. The reason you haven't seen legs is because it's in the chest with everything else. Stop being sad (and self-centered XD).

You misunderstood me. This thread saddens me because some people seem to have had all the luck for the legs. Not sad because they are fixing it, that is great.

You may also notice that i talk about our tanks and my whole group's gear from Twintania.

Very self-centered indeed.....

It was easy to misunderstand what I was getting at for the first part though.

Uh-huh. ;)

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Greetings,

Thanks for bringing up this concern. While the actual drop rates are a bit different compared to what was posted, we have indeed confirmed an issue that resulted in the items not being evenly distributed between the two chests and we will be addressing this in a hot fix next week.

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Omg I love you!

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Originally Posted by Osias_Qol

This thread saddens me as I have yet to see the DRG legs drop even once in turn 1... Q_Q

That aside our tanks are having a really bad time with loot.

I am a little worried about how long getting everybody Twintania's loot will take knowing only 1 peace of gear will drop and a weapon takes the other slot.

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If they do the fix you will see a better chance at the drg legs after the fix when they even out the chests.

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Originally Posted by Zellata

Casper, I think you are missing the point. Let's say one chest has 13 items and another has 4, the item you want is in 4-item chest and the item I want is in 13-item one - your chances of getting the desired drop are much higher than mine (1/4 vs. 1/13).

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I completely got the point. I do agree the chest distribution of coil is messed up -- indeed the two chests are not balanced and it creates problems, especially with dragoons.

Yet you will find an alarming number of whiners in this very thread complaining about "yeah fix coil but also fix garuda and the jewelry coffer of AK and whatever" -- which is just completely beside the point.

Its nice to get items more frequently, but as it is I think the drop rates on good items are intentionally low. In ffxi drop rates were lower on everything, and harder to beat. I think you guys have your really easy game here, and i dont know why you want it any easier, its only reducing the value of your gear. In FFXI I felt good about getting a full set of hecatomb, it was a lot of work and took months, but it felt good. I actually stood out. In this game I got from 1-50 in 3 days, and completely geared myself in darklight in a week. Allagan takes a little longer, but overall, a hell of a lot easier than other games im used to.

im ranting now, but all these people asking for easier content are annoying the hell out of me. Wow-like easy mode games and its players are overwhelming developers of interesting content via their investor. They go for profits now by catering to a wider audience by dumbing down content.

1 month of coil and no DRG drops except for 1 earring for me.

I envy the people getting constant DRG loot.

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Originally Posted by Ayasee

1 month of coil and no DRG drops except for 1 earring for me.

I envy the people getting constant DRG loot.

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In 2 and a half months of coil our drops are about 80% drg while everyone else is getting slim pickings.

Nothing but DRG and tank stuff here. I was beginning to think "of healing" was a troll suffix they put in the files.

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Originally Posted by Bigpurpleharness

Nothing but DRG and tank stuff here. I was beginning to think "of healing" was a troll suffix they put in the files.

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Haha, nearly the same with my group.

I'm a tank and only person in our group with DRG as off spec. This week I felt guilty that I got two dragoon pieces so I passed tank item to our other tank.

We did get healing gloves this week. We only been doing coil for a few weeks, so far it's 3 tank, 3 BRD, 3 DRG, 2 caster, and 1 Healing items.

Any confirmation of when this might be hotfixed?


I'm debating when our group will run turn 1 for this week, I'd like to give us the best chance at gear.

It's amazing how many people are trying to compare a real problem like this to RNG in AK

In coil each boss drops 2 chests. one of the chests has a loot pol of like 10+ items while the other has a loot pool of like 4
making the actual loot distribution way off, I'm sure each one has weighted drops but even still 4 item options will run out of usefulness long before the 10+ no matter the raid makeup
In AK it just seems like a problem because each chest has like 20 drops

don't think anyone's seen the caster shield either which is a bit weird since without it the allagan rod is a clear downgrade to stardust+1

there was a monk panty,although no monk is in party & smn ring
I don't really like allagan tank gear design.AF 1 looks better imo,but I want to get belt,pants,jewelry & allagan weapon

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

Please also increase Chests per Turn. 3-4 seems more reasonable since it's limited to once per week.

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Why stop there? Lets just have the chest give everyone a full set of gear! Heck, lets have it give everyone two full sets of gear. Why work for it at all? Can't the moogle just mail it to us when we ding 50?

Fun fact:

There's a certain other "super easy-mode game that just hands everyone gear" (I'll let you guys figure out which one), that awards 2 pieces of gear per 10 people per boss, or 6 per 25 people. That's worse than here by quite a bit. If loot drops from a boss that can't be used, it either hits the floor or gets disenchanted. There's no tossing it into your armory chest for a rainy day should you decide to level something else. That's a lot worse than here. That game also has lockouts, which is just like here. Only they have significantly worse loot distribution.

So no, coil doesn't need to throw even more loot at people than it already does. Not by a long shot.

*I don't mean to say that loot doesn't need to be spread throughout the chests differently for even drop rates per piece. I mean to say that the amount of loot per boss is fine, if not a bit high.

They definitely need to add more chests or something. After a month and a half our healers and tanks have only 1 piece each, while our dragoon and black mage have almost full 90. We actually got Allagan Circlet of Maiming AND Striking on turn 4 last week. If I don't see something other than melee gear soon I might as well unsubscribe. What's the point if I don't ever get anything?

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

Why stop there? Lets just have the chest give everyone a full set of gear! Heck, lets have it give everyone two full sets of gear. Why work for it at all? Can't the moogle just mail it to us when we ding 50?

Fun fact:

There's a certain other "super easy-mode game that just hands everyone gear" (I'll let you guys figure out which one), that awards 2 pieces of gear per 10 people per boss, or 6 per 25 people. That's worse than here by quite a bit. If loot drops from a boss that can't be used, it either hits the floor or gets disenchanted. There's no tossing it into your armory chest for a rainy day should you decide to level something else. That's a lot worse than here. That game also has lockouts, which is just like here. Only they have significantly worse loot distribution.

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I have this distinct feeling that you haven't actually played "that other game" at any difficult level. Once you've farmed the crap out of everything, yes, a lot gets disenchanted. But in that mythical 6 per 25 scenario, it almost always is completely distributed - main specs taking priority, and then offspecs. Even when you get 3 of the same item (as happened to my group the first time we killed a certain heroic boss). It's all used until you're fully into farm mode.

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So no, coil doesn't need to throw even more loot at people than it already does. Not by a long shot.

*I don't mean to say that loot doesn't need to be spread throughout the chests differently for even drop rates per piece. I mean to say that the amount of loot per boss is fine, if not a bit high.

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I'm not saying that it needs to throw more loot at people (though I wouldn't mind if it did), but your reason for saying it doesn't is off.

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

Why stop there? Lets just have the chest give everyone a full set of gear! Heck, lets have it give everyone two full sets of gear. Why work for it at all? Can't the moogle just mail it to us when we ding 50?

Fun fact:

There's a certain other "super easy-mode game that just hands everyone gear" (I'll let you guys figure out which one), that awards 2 pieces of gear per 10 people per boss, or 6 per 25 people. That's worse than here by quite a bit. If loot drops from a boss that can't be used, it either hits the floor or gets disenchanted. There's no tossing it into your armory chest for a rainy day should you decide to level something else. That's a lot worse than here. That game also has lockouts, which is just like here. Only they have significantly worse loot distribution.

So no, coil doesn't need to throw even more loot at people than it already does. Not by a long shot.

*I don't mean to say that loot doesn't need to be spread throughout the chests differently for even drop rates per piece. I mean to say that the amount of loot per boss is fine, if not a bit high.

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Fun Fact: It's 2 items per boss in a 10man raid...out of a lootpool for that boss that consists of a total of 12-14 items, where each single item has the same dropchance. Also per Raid Tier it's anywhere between 10-14 bosses who EACH drop 2 items, the ones that drop Set Tokens actually drop 3...that makes 25-33 items per lockout for a 10man group...compared to 10 items total in a 8man group in FFXIV.

Fun Fact 2: 6 drops in a 25man raid...still the same total amount of loot on each boss...still the same 10-14 bosses in one Raid tier that all drop 6 items...which makes a total of 60-84 items each raid lockout.

Conclusion: Loot distribution is not even close to how "bad" it is here.

On a sidenote I'm not saying gear should be handed to anyone...but please pull away from comparisons that just show you are uncapable of doing math and/or are stupid.
I'm fine with how much loot we get per Turn...I don't need to be fully geared in a matter of 4 weeks...that destroys the whole point of progression in an MMORPG...but at least loot should be evenly shared among chests, so each piece has the same "base percentage" of dropping. Also each turn should have the same amount of pieces for each class, so each class has the same chance of getting something.

These facts don't sound very fun :(

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Greetings,

Thanks for bringing up this concern. While the actual drop rates are a bit different compared to what was posted, we have indeed confirmed an issue that resulted in the items not being evenly distributed between the two chests and we will be addressing this in a hot fix next week.

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while you're at it, can you do something about the accessory chest in AK, and the chest after the first boss?

I've been running AK every day, multiple times, for almost a month and a half, geared out 2 classes, and almost done with a third, and I have YET to see hoplite ring drop, along with hoplite helmet. I realize that I don't even need them at this point, but the droprate is fucking ridiculous

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Originally Posted by SkyfangRauss

while you're at it, can you do something about the accessory chest in AK, and the chest after the first boss?

I've been running AK every day, multiple times, for almost a month and a half, geared out 2 classes, and almost done with a third, and I have YET to see hoplite ring drop, along with hoplite helmet. I realize that I don't even need them at this point, but the droprate is fucking ridiculous

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The reason the drop rates are so low is that that chest can have the rings, earrings, wrists, and wrings for every single spec/role. You get 1 chance per run, but you're rolling between casting, healing, STR DPS, Dex DPS, and Tanking roles. The odds of it dropping the appropriate accessory for your spec are very small.

I don't understand why this is even a thing. Why was it designed this way? What was the logic behind it?
Each turn should have a set loot table and any chest in that turn should drop a random item from that loot table, regardless of which side the chest is on. If it means two identical pieces dropping on occasion, so be it. This is ridiculous.