Requesting +1 weapons when you yourself don't even have a relic

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Originally Posted by Sunarie

There have been people on our server looking for members to pug Titan, and the requirement is that you already have your relic.

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in other words carry me please, but really why shout to be carried this way when I am 100% sure they could just ask those in their FC or LS.

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Originally Posted by Feyniphia

Just form your group and have fun! WP can be done in in ilvl 50 gear and AK in ilvl 55. They're both so easy that's not even a prob. :P

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Yeah, I rarely "join" a group now unless they are doing the dungeon as non-speed and no gear req. I ran into this today:

Somebodies Name: LF DD for WP
/t I'm a BLM

No response, so I figure someone beat me to the pm and they invited them. About 2 min later I see in shout...

Somebodies Name: LF DD in WP

I again send the person
/t "BLM"

Again no response, so I'm like...this dude must not want a DD bad that's twice I have responded to him. So another min or two go by, and I see: (also note this is not a speed run)

Somebodies Name: LF +1DPS for WP
And my response to the guy for the third time was...

/t are you so dense to not invite a dd? This is WP I don't need to spell out that I have a +1 for you, but for your information I do have it, I'm a blm, and you can take me or not, idc, but it's your loss.

Then an invite to party pops up on my screen, and I accept and off we go into WP. Yep you guessed it leader and healer - he did not have his relic or a +1 AND we wiped at the first pull where the buzzards are...when myself and the other blm had +1 and the tank had relic. Granted the guy had a Garuda weapon, but still...asking for something they don't even have then derping on the first pull?

This isnt a one time occurrence - people all the time ask for gear when they don't have it. Others mentioned Titan being a big culprit. Shoot I got kicked from a party for Garuda when I was full left side DL geared and zircon jewelry...Garuda for crying out loud.

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Originally Posted by WiseWolfHolo

in other words carry me please, but really why shout to be carried this way when I am 100% sure they could just ask those in their FC or LS.

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Or maybe they already have their relic and want to make sure to get another (or their 7th). Serious, people are free to play with whoever they want, under their own term if they're the ones organizing their groups. This saturday, when my gf and I were starting with our Titan Hm tries, she got kicked from a group because she had the Ifrit Staff instead of the Garua Wand. She didn't come to the forums to cry about being excluded from one group, we put together our own group and got the garuda wand out of fun and then we we killed Titan this monday. Without any tear. We made our terms, we even brought a fellow with iLVL55 weapon for Titan, othr with full DL, all we asked were experience with p5 (didn't even have to have killed the boss, since we hadn't yet!).

Don't like the requirements to join someone else group? Make your own. It sucks to be excluded, but getting all upset and making threads about it won't change their minds.

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Originally Posted by WiseWolfHolo

+1, I also love those that think saying lfg titan "78th billion relic" really thinks players will invite them faster

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Because it will get them a group faster. People would rather take someone who has cleared the content before, than one who hasn't.

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Originally Posted by WiseWolfHolo

still always a good laugh at those that are on say their 7th relic and die before someone who is on their 1st. Quality of the player > quantity of relics (which pretty much take nothing to acquire)

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Of course the quality of the player matters. But assuming you know nothing other than how many relics a person has, the one with 7 obviously has more experience than the one with none, and is therefore a safer bet when making a group, and as such is likely the higher quality player.

Just wanna clear something up. The people shouting for Titan with relics are farming or they are rotating mains with relic quest alts for each member.

6k HP on a WAR isn't a lot. Might be enough for Titan but you'd be relying a hell if a lot on your healers. Full DL with Garuda and I have over 7.1kHP on my WAR.

I do agree that people farming dungeons requesting higher ilevel players to make it easier for them is a bit of a joke though.

I don't understand how this is a problem. This happens in all games, this is nothing new. If someone wants to form their own group with arbitrary requirements that they don't even meet themselves, let them. It has zero impact on you unless you wanted to join their group and they rejected you, in which case they probably did you a favor anyway.

Why shout for Relic +1? Is the difference between relic and relic +1 massive enough?

I just lvled a mule character to 50 and I gotta say it's crazy how bad XIV community is for new comers. Just getting Darklight is an experience that would drive me to quit the game unless I'd have my original character with all 50s. You need to do so many runs and people will shout with crazy requirements for WP and AK runs. I have a relic on my mule but have not gotten much darklight yet so when I join a party more often than not I get examined and kicked right away. SE really needs to take a look at the early endgame and fix it.

why did you get a relic on a mule?

so I can do coil with a 2nd group during the week. What's your point?

You put a lot of effort into making everything easier, then complain that the game has no challenge and that you're bored. That's the pro way to play MMORPGs nowadays.

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Originally Posted by LoLo

they ask for +1 weapons because they want to ride on peoples coat tails to complete content without breaking a sweat. a party with two + relic weapons can clear a dungeon super quickly.

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And here is where the problem lies. They make thes dungeons "level capped" but yet you can out gear the dungeon. Just remove the caps and let people play them whatever level they are even if they are above the minimum required entry level.

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Originally Posted by LoLo

my own linkshell said that having 6100 hp on Warrior wasnt enough to tank titan. So, yeah I gave up and just play the Sims 3, Heavy Rain, and Ace Attorney 5 until we get the next content patch.

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Not to burst your bubble but 6100 HP on a WAR for Titan is pretty damn tough to heal. The wrong bomb pattern spawns, and if both healers are not in the perfect position, you'll die to the MB. You guys just have no good cooldowns or mitigation for huge spike hits.

I typically farm Titan with a 7k+ war and a whm/sch lineup without issue, but that extra 1k hp is vital.

That also means you're not in full DL, so I don't know what you gave up for. You still have plenty of gear to farm. 6100HP wars are not going to be getting to Coil groups anyway.

While good gear correlates to skill poorly, poor gear correlates to skill even worse. One way to think about it is that whoever you get is probably not going to be very good, but a bad player with relic+1 is still a better player than a bad player without relic+1. Unless you're so good that you don't care who you run with, it's not necessarily a bad idea to enforce gear constrains. Of course, a lot of time you're just wasting your time, especially if all you're doing is WP, but each person have their own tolerance of how much risk veruss how much time they're willing to spend to put together a group.

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Originally Posted by Pinworms

Seriously...what's the world coming to when People in Mor Dhona are shouting for members for WP and are requesting +1s to join when the person shouting does not even have a relic themselves? This is for non speed runs even...

That's kinda sinister IMO. Yeah, people inspect people - so I hope you have at least what your requesting, otherwise I'd hope someone either called you out or people just refuse to join you if your doing this.

It's WP anyways...stop putting restrictions on people unless their in gear lower than their quest class gear...ESP if your wearing it.

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My personal favorite is when they tell you that you can't do WP or AK at all without a Relic.