Summoner's MP issues

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Originally Posted by Kevee

Stop using Ruin II so much.

Never cast Thunder on the conflag, never cast ANY DoT on the conflag. You should have timers to bane. I'm finishing conflag at ~40-50% mana, and then I have a big period of regen with the air phase.

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Hmm... I think you didn't read what I said. I don't Thunder the conflag nor do I cast DoTs on it...

I didnt think it was possible to carry a summoner in twintania..

OP proved me wrong.

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Originally Posted by Niqote

Hmm... I think you didn't read what I said. I don't Thunder the conflag nor do I cast DoTs on it...

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Then besides your over-use of Ruin II, I don't know where your massive MP problem comes from.

Are you casting Physick by chance? If so, stop that.

yes yenn is casting physick. his hotbar shows he has it bound on key "4". hes using it

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Originally Posted by Kevee

Stop using Ruin II so much.

Never cast Thunder on the conflag, never cast ANY DoT on the conflag. You should have timers to bane. I'm finishing conflag at ~40-50% mana, and then I have a big period of regen with the air phase.

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timers? Is this just a way of saying "you should be holding onto stacks and keeping DoT durations high on Twintania to bane" or is there something I am missing? Cause I don't use any real timers or alerts...I just keep durations high enough to where they won't drop off shortly after bane :P

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Originally Posted by Nemhy

timers? Is this just a way of saying "you should be holding onto stacks and keeping DoT durations high on Twintania to bane" or is there something I am missing? Cause I don't use any real timers or alerts...I just keep durations high enough to where they won't drop off shortly after bane :P

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You don't need to "hold on" to stacks. Rotate each conflag with 2 stacks used, 1 stack used. Supplement with pet CDs on shorter conflags.

Yes, I meant keep your timers higher so you can bane. You should never be casting, or re-casting, a DoT on a conflag. It's a waste of MP, and efficiency towards killing the conflag. Conflags are up for such a short time that, unless you're going to Fester, it's better to just Ruin spam, which is why you always need to bane on to it.

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Originally Posted by Griddamus

Maybe it's because the scrolling combat text is inadequate, but are you sure fester afflicts all dotted targets and not just the one selected? Pretty sure it's just the one.

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I was not actually. I had noticed it seemed not to impact other targets' health bars quite so much but I had difficulty being sure. (I don't even see combat text anymore. Look right past it.)

Either way, the point still stands.

lol dps physick

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Originally Posted by Kevee

You don't need to "hold on" to stacks. Rotate each conflag with 2 stacks used, 1 stack used. Supplement with pet CDs on shorter conflags.

Yes, I meant keep your timers higher so you can bane. You should never be casting, or re-casting, a DoT on a conflag. It's a waste of MP, and efficiency towards killing the conflag. Conflags are up for such a short time that, unless you're going to Fester, it's better to just Ruin spam, which is why you always need to bane on to it.

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Explain the rotation a bit more if you don't mind? Do you mean on the short ones use 2 stacks, otherwise just use 1? I don't have much experience on the fight yet so I don't now how to properly loop it so my stacks are used efficiently right before cooldowns up. (yet) Yea I NEVER cast a DoT on a conflag, only on Twintania than just bane it over. :P

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Originally Posted by dragonflyseksparade

lol dps physick

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Just because you keybind an ability doesn't mean you use it regularly.

I'm more inclined to call anyone who DOESN'T have their abilities on-call and on-demand bad.

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Originally Posted by Nemhy

Explain the rotation a bit more if you don't mind? Do you mean on the short ones use 2 stacks, otherwise just use 1? I don't have much experience on the fight yet so I don't now how to properly loop it so my stacks are used efficiently right before cooldowns up. (yet) Yea I NEVER cast a DoT on a conflag, only on Twintania than just bane it over. :P

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Yes, 2 stacks for the shorter conflag, or you can supplement with pet CDs. You may need to sometimes use 2 stacks on a "longer" conflag due to a DPS getting conflag + another DPS getting FB and running in too early. In this case, you have 1 stack for a shorter and use pet CDs. Saving Enkindle for this phase, while you're still learning it, is important.

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Originally Posted by Niqote

I found that once we got to about the 5th conflag my MP was spent, and I feel the only thing I can do is stop DPS (other then keep my DoT rotation up) on Twintania - so that when conflag is up I can quickly bane onto the conflag, fester, drain.

My fighting rotation is usually: Bio, Miasma Bio II, raging strikes, fester. Thunder, Drain, bio, Miasma Shadow flare. - Basically it keeps all DoTs up at all times but I am happy for comments.

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shouldn't you be using raging strikes before bio, miasma, and bio 2?

Kevee, can you help me? i faced with a big problem, i always 4th in parse on coil. I use standart combo like bio2 - miasma - bio - thunder - fester....
Im always behind agains any dps class, and starting to give on my smn.
Am i correct understand your combo like miasma - thunder - ruin? i test it on dummy and it just near 100 dps without fester.

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Originally Posted by razik

Kevee, can you help me? i faced with a big problem, i always 4th in parse on coil. I use standart combo like bio2 - miasma - bio - thunder - fester....
Im always behind agains any dps class, and starting to give on my smn.
Am i correct understand your combo like miasma - thunder - ruin? i test it on dummy and it just near 100 dps without fester.

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Parses can't reliably track SMN at all, so don't worry about that until logging is fixed.

But for your standard combo, use Fester after Bio, not after Thunder.

You should be keeping up all DoTs as MP and the fight permits.

Again, though, do not rely on parses at all. The only reliable part of SMN that can be parsed is the pet--That is 100% accurate.

Actually never oomed on Twintania tonight. Not really sure where people are having MP issues if they manage their MP and aetherflow stacks properly.

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Originally Posted by Kevee

But for your standard combo, use Fester after Bio, not after Thunder.

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I hope you right, cuz my raid leader think that i can do more damage, but i dont know how. Normally i have time to use fester after thunder even aetherflow in cd, or this is important to use it right after bio? I understand that thunder not count in fester stacks.
for example this is my rotation for dreadnought: raging strikes - bio2 - miasma - bio - thunder - fester - contagion - ruin - fester- ruin..... Can you tell me where is my misstake?
Do you use parse? What is your position on it against your friends dps?
Does spure and rouse stacks? Am i need to use these skills simultaneous, for max dps? I thought they must use only separate.
Sorry for my english and a lot of question.

The main reason for using Fester prior to Thunder is that it is possible to fit in 2 Fester before your initial DoTs rotation wears off. If you use Fester after Thunder, you have to refresh Dots every time you Fester. In regard to where the position of my SMN stand compared to other Dps class, in a normal circumstances where we have same gear DL,Relic weapon, I normally stand at 2nd,3rd place.

If you use fester immediately after bio then you wont get the full buff to fester, it takes a fraction of a second for the bio effect to register. From an ABC point of view it would be optimal to cast something else between bio and fester

I once had a long argument with a Summoner about using Fester. He insisted Fester wasn't worth it and he would go OOM if he used it. He literally NEVER used Fester... It seems like the OP has the opposite problem. :( Summoner has a LOT of stuff in our arsenal. Yes, sometimes using Energy Drain is necessary... but if you HAVE to use it, make sure to do so BEFORE you are almost oom. That way, you can maintain nearly 100% DoT uptime even without the filler Ruin 1s and Festers. Needing to go into 'mana conserve mode' is not terrible for a Summoner... After all, our DoTs alone are a pretty decent chunk of our damage... and don't forget that our pet is ALWAYS hitting, too. However, going COMPLETELY oom will seriously mess up your rotation and cause your DoTs to fall off and not be refreshed. One of the most important things to remember is to use your Aetherflow on cooldown. Plan your Festers and Energy Drains ahead of time so you aren't wasting the cooldown of Aetherflow, either.

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Originally Posted by neizero

If you use fester immediately after bio then you wont get the full buff to fester, it takes a fraction of a second for the bio effect to register. From an ABC point of view it would be optimal to cast something else between bio and fester

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I don't know what ABC means but I can tell you you can reliably fester (if you wait for bio to apply), and lose MAYBE 0.1 seconds off your next GCD.

Majority of the time with no lag I don't notice anything at all.

Always Be Casting, if you stop for any reason you are likely losing dps. Especially true for fester as it is hard capped to 3 per min

During a non-rs rotation, sure, but not during rs. Not casting the second fester before rs drops is definitely a dps loss compared to waiting half a second for bio to register before hitting fester.

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Originally Posted by neizero

If you use fester immediately after bio then you wont get the full buff to fester, it takes a fraction of a second for the bio effect to register. From an ABC point of view it would be optimal to cast something else between bio and fester

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No, because the Fester animation finishes before the GCD ends.

Delaying your festers = delaying Aetherflow.

Melee doesn't run out of resources O.o

I will be sure to inform my fellow Monks and Dragoons that we are not running out of TP.