Which Fairy IS better?

Selene is not always better than Eos. Why do I say this?

Selene can actually lower DPS on combo-heavy classes like Monk. She can also cause issue for White Mages who spit out more heals quicker than expected.

The best faerie to use is the one you've tested. Yes, that is vague. Yes, it's on purpose. Neither faerie is best in all circumstances. Likewise, no scholar heal is the best heal for all situations. You have a tool chest from which to draw, not a checklist to follow.

And frankly, I would not use Selene with the intention of her healing being superior to Eos. It is not. However, Selene can help YOUR healing. However, you have to really be cognizant of the fact that your faerie effects more than your stats, healing, etc.

Selene is better for support and dps but I dont think she is better in term of healing.
Yes, mathematically she can give you more healing during her 60s of Fay Glow during two minute period. However, no one spam heal for the whole 2 minutes.
Eos Illumination is only 20s. Together with Rouse, you can get thru a very spkiy period. (high stack boss turn 2, high stack ads or accidental high-voltage, turn 4,...)
So I personally think Eos's healing boost is more effective for healing. Not to mention it is more mana-friendly.
There are use for both. I don't think one is definitely better than other. It also works with the play style of player: want more control and use embrace manually? Selene. want to keep your cool down and react appropriately? Eos.

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Originally Posted by Miridori

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Let's say you're fighting ADS, the tanks turn it on accident and one tank gets stuck with 5+ stacks. If you and the WHM straight heal-bomb them, they really shouldn't die if they are decently geared. I've personally never faced a situation in BC where the tank died from lack of heals because we just couldn't pump out enough HPS.

What will kill you during a phase like this is having a healer get targeted by a laser, or having a paralyze interrupt your heal. In both of these scenarios, casting quicker makes it less likely that you'll miss a cast because of a mechanic.

Also remember that, at the end of the day, the best way to beat a boss encounter is to kill it quickly. The faster it dies, the less likely someone is to mess up.

I guess what confuses me is why you see so much "Selene is garbage and I never use her" from people who have obviously never tried. In 95%+ of cases, Selene is going to win out, even on progression content.

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Originally Posted by AunaYuuki

Depends on the dungeon and situation.
Do we need more Dps with support from Selene? Or do we need more heals from EOS?
I love the equally but my friends say EOS is like a goodie girl and Selene is the hardcore chick with a bunch of unmentionable variables.
So they'd rather do selene over eos. :< Poor EOS I still love her.

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How bout both? hehe :D

I use Both.

On Titan for instance, I start with Selene to help the global dps up.
Right after the heart is down, I instant cast Eos and use every CD she has. Once passed the first array of plume, I keep Eos up, but keep her under control with the steady mode.

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Originally Posted by Rainsford

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If selene actually increased dps, or actually made you cast faster, there would be a point to this. Obviously faster kills are better, no one will debate that. However, the increase is so small, that you cannot just say "If i chain cast spell for the duration I get a X% boost to dps". DoTs tick at 0.3, people's pings are often 0.1~, people are dodging during the duration and moving around, wasting part of it. At the end, in a fight like Titan, if you used her buffs perfectly the entire time, you'd be lucky if someone got a single extra cast off. And YOU might have been able to do more damage with your own spells if you didn't have to save someone's butt.

So realistically, Selene doesn't really add any more damage, and in the worse case, she might reduce it.

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Originally Posted by Shados

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I don't get this. You start by suggesting that she doesn't increase dps/make you cast faster, when it quite literally does. Are you arguing that someone with a 2.3 GCD will do identical DPS to someone with a 2.1 GCD?

Selene's buffs impact DPS more than the switch from i60 to i70 accessories. They are ~massive~ compared to the boost you get from food. Yet people still do both. Why is that?

Sure, DoT's tick every 3 seconds, but quicker cast time = they are up sooner. You get more casts in before having to refresh. There's no downside, only upside. And lag? Yea, ping is always there, but the quicker your cast time, the less likely you get caught in mechanics. If you want to talk about Titan, lower GCD's mean Gaols break faster. Heart dies quicker. The fight ends sooner. Sure, you need to move and lag is a factor, but a lower GCD means you have more time to avoid Plumes. Landslides aren't as likely to interrupt casts. Every .1 of a second I'm in front of you, it's less chance that I'll have to cancel a spell because of a mechanic.

Of course, you also need to consider that, in BC, the vast majority of the fights are spent stationary. When it comes to Turn 4, the extra skill or two everyone gets on the first Dread can be the difference between a win and a lose for a progression group. As someone who has done BC on both SCH and BLM, having Selene out makes my life significantly easier.

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Originally Posted by Shados

So realistically, Selene doesn't really add any more damage, and in the worse case, she might reduce it.

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How do you come to this conclusion? How does adding a stat decrease your damage? Again, is player A with 500 Skill Speed going to do the same or less damage than player B with 625 Skill Speed?

And I feel like I quite thoroughly went over why, over the course of a fight, Selene's HPS gain is similar to or greater than Eos's. Pay attention when you're in BC or go watch some videos from a SCH's perspective. Watch as Eos just blows her CD's whenever she wants and yet there's never an issue. Even in Turn 4 examples where SCH's save FI for double dreads or WD for the final phase, it all goes into overheal.

Sorry if I came off abrassive, but when you're coming at it from a standpoint of "Selene may actually reduce damage", I'm sort of baffled. Of the wipes that don't happen because of mechanics (getting knocked off by landslides, people getting gibbed by Plumes, Allagan Rot, etc), I'm willing to say that nearly all of them happen because of failed DPS checks. Go plug the numbers into any damage formula, and it's tough to argue empirically that Selene isn't a noticeable improvement on DPS.

Of course, if you can give me an example of you failing a heal-check because you didn't have Eos's buff up, then I'd love for you to show me. If not, I'd appreciate a critical view of the two choices and a reason why you disagree aside from "Selene lowers damage."

Just a note to those who come here, Rainsford is plugging this incredibly bad theorycrafting work as somehow proof that Selene is always better than Eos. As someone who has worked with and taught statistical analysis for a decade, do not buy it. There is no theorycrafting on faeries...

But thanks to Rainsford, I'm going to start.

This is what makes everything confusing for players leveling sch. Right now i'm leveling sch and I like to read about the job as much as I can and understand the ins and outs of a job.

Reading posts like this make everything more dificult because there is no consensus in which is better. This leads me to think that both are ideal and i'll just have to try out what is best for me depending on the situation. I do thing however, for things like AK/WP selene will do a better job just to speed things up a little. Im coil however, i dont have much experience and will have to see for myself when I get there.

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Originally Posted by cainejw

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I'm not sure what exactly you want. Tell me how you would improve upon it? You can't chart out healing like you can damage because spamming heals just gives you lots of overheal. I hear "Eos is better for heal intensive fights" a lot though, and it's just not the case. 20% for 8 casts over 2 minutes if you chain-cast heals is what Eos gives you for Coil content. That's the equivalent of 1.5 extra Physicks. Again, especially if you take overheal into account, Eos just isn't attractive.

For Selene, I'm using BLM as the example since that's what I have (and what I can personally test). My BLM has 466 Spell Speed. Using Purostriders chart, Fey Glow gives a 6% increase in damage.


Sure, the benefit will vary based on class, but a quicker skill activation rate brings other benefits that you can't put into numbers (a Monk keeping Greased Lightning up easier, a WHM getting a cast off before a follow-up attack that would kill a tank, etc). Why is there such a fetish with trading utility and damage for unnecessary heals?

I like everyone's thoughts here. What I've tended to do lately is use Eos mostly on steady, letting her auto-use embrace because it's too much of a pain to hit steady all the time. And then I just use rouse+her other bufss/Aoe heal whenever the whole party takes a big hit, and that helps me get everyone back to full health relatively quickly. Once I'm comfy with everyone's health again, I put her back on Steady.

After reading this, it seems like a better plan is to use Selene for most of the fight, then switch to Eos when I know things are about to get dicey. My only worry would be using up my swiftcasts for faerie summons and not resurrection...but I guess the other healer can handle that.

If I had to choose, I'd say Selene.

Heres why:

1) I can pull mobs to my group with her.

2) . . .well. . .just 1 really lol. .

To be honest, both are pretty good. Just fool with them to match your play style/situation. People can argue with you and throw faux math, statistics, reasons, testimonies and whatever else you can think of but at the end of the day, if you're not having fun with it then theres no point.

I like Selene, not because, "oo man, DPS go faster!" but because, "ooo. . .I wonder if I can make Selene grab those three mobs and bring them to my group before the one they're fighting dies!. . .yup~! hahaha"

I personally prefer Eos. I tend to run Cleric Stance when doing dungeons like AK or WP, so having Eos to heal the tank while I'm spreading my DOTs is my preferred method. I feel like I can't justify Selene's buffs over the additional DPS. Her silence is nice though.

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Originally Posted by FallNSkye

I personally prefer Eos. I tend to run Cleric Stance when doing dungeons like AK or WP, so having Eos to heal the tank while I'm spreading my DOTs is my preferred method. I feel like I can't justify Selene's buffs over the additional DPS. Her silence is nice though.

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hehe, your play style is just like mine, I'd be using Eos if I wasn't able to do stuff like:

http://youtu.be/GaSnKzHhJZw?t=4m55s

and

http://youtu.be/GaSnKzHhJZw?t=21m55s

I get really bored haha, she can also save my skin from the succabus like: http://youtu.be/GaSnKzHhJZw?t=23m5s

Those Void Thunders hurt >_<

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Originally Posted by FallNSkye

I personally prefer Eos. I tend to run Cleric Stance when doing dungeons like AK or WP, so having Eos to heal the tank while I'm spreading my DOTs is my preferred method. I feel like I can't justify Selene's buffs over the additional DPS. Her silence is nice though.

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Like I pointed out, Selene's buffs are a DPS increase. What Eos buff is allowing you to Cleric Stance that Selene doesn't have? over 20 seconds, Eos will put out 3000~ more healing than Selene with WD and Fey Illumination. Over the next 40 seconds, their healing is identical. And you'll dot the mob faster with Selene than with Eos...

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Originally Posted by cainejw

Just a note to those who come here, Rainsford is plugging this incredibly bad theorycrafting work as somehow proof that Selene is always better than Eos. As someone who has worked with and taught statistical analysis for a decade, do not buy it. There is no theorycrafting on faeries...

But thanks to Rainsford, I'm going to start.

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Unless you bring in specific counterexamples or counterarguments, you are contributing nothing to this discussion. Citing yourself as somehow having advanced knowledge of stats does not help. In fact, your lack of substantiated claims along with your self-reference to profession is a contradiction worthy of ridicule.

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Originally Posted by Rainsford

Selene: Fey Glow shaves .15s off my GCD, and is up for 60s. Over that time, the decreased GCD gives me the equivalent of four free actions. Assuming both me and the WHM use all 4 actions on heals, that's a roughly 8000 increase in HP.

Eos: Fey Illumination is up for about 8 actions over that 2 minutes. Assuming you and the WHM use every action for a heal, it's 200x16 for 3200 added healing. Assuming a 650~ Embrace, that's another 1040 healing done. Two Whispering Dawns will heal for about 4200 overall. Adding them up, using Eos gives you an extra 8450 healing on the tank over two minutes.

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The obvious and most glaring omission is the consideration of MP. Chain healing puts me out of MP within a short period of time.

This is the critical division between Selene and Eos. Yes, Selene boosts your rate of output by a greater degree, but Eos' effectiveness is an MP savings rather than Selene's MP sink.

Fey Covenant carriers very little utility but again, it results in MP savings rather than letting you spend MP faster.

For this reason alone, Eos is not trumped by Selene.

I'd also like to argue, conceptually, that making fights faster is not always superior. For example, in high-movement encounters such as Titan, being able to land large cures at critical moments (Fey Illumination) and being able to AoE cure (Whispering Dawn) can be highly useful if you don't have the time to cast Adlo/Succor.

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Originally Posted by Rainsford

Like I pointed out, Selene's buffs are a DPS increase. What Eos buff is allowing you to Cleric Stance that Selene doesn't have? over 20 seconds, Eos will put out 3000~ more healing than Selene with WD and Fey Illumination. Over the next 40 seconds, their healing is identical. And you'll dot the mob faster with Selene than with Eos...

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You really are on a mission to tell people how to play aren't you? hehe. Why not make a video with a premade and compare times? 1 with Selene and 1 with Eos. Sometimes it's best to show people instead of telling them ^^

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Originally Posted by YuriRamona

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To be clear, I don't think chain-casting is necessarily the way to go. The issue is that, with Eos, the buff is only up for, at maximum, 8 casts. If you're not chain-casting while it's up, half of Eos benefit is nearly wasted. Considering again how, in content like BC, the name of the game is to keep your tank topped off, the 20% for 20s is going to have very, very little actual impact.


While sure, it increases your healing per MP, is there a difference between a 1000 hp heal and a 1200 hp heal when the tank is missing 1000 hp? What about when they are missing 2000? in either scenario, you're casting the same number of heals. While FI is nice, what you give up to get it is a pretty bad trade-off.

For FC, when would you ever use it? On Titan, Plumes and his Astral Flow are the only magic attacks. Pre-Turn 5, I'm not sure what, if any, attacks are magical.

And for WD, like I had said, it's only really useful if you're trying to solo-heal Titan (or are healing Titan/Garuda with an undergeared partner). The HoT is too small to be depended on in progression content.

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Originally Posted by CSX

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Well I don't mean to come off so strong! And if someone really wants to play with Eos because they like a blue fairy more than a green fairy, then awesome! But I keep seeing things like "I'll switch to Eos for more healing etc" when, in reality, any healing increase is marginal if it exists at all! At the same time, people are so quick to dismiss Selene's benefits without seeming to understand. It's just frustrating >_<.

Honestly, after some soul searching I'm agreeing with Rainsford. I used to preach Eos Eos Eos, but that was mostly complacency. She's not that necessary, especially with how I was using her (save cooldowns for WD, which you also save).

By contrast, I couldn't tell you that I feel the difference with Selene, but hell it's better than nothing and (in the case of AK) her manual silence (assuming you have her on Obey) seems surprisingly responsive. I just need more practice with keeping Light/Glow uptime going.

At this point, I only plan on using Eos if I need her for temporary supertanking (Demon Wall adds, random tank-less moments, Garuda sisters to an extent). Otherwise it's all Selene. However I would definitely invite new SCHs to try both (played well; not lazy "no place, no Steady/Obey/whatever" style) and make decisions for themselves, as I did.

Selene all the way because relyin on a fairy buff to do great heals is somehow silly / bad.

Your paladin can make you heal better, your monk can make you heal better and anyway in both cases you still have both supervirus for your party and eye for an eye for your tank in order to calm things down.

Except on the Succor case I don't truelly feel that the healing boost of Eos is worth the usage and it's once per 2 minutes ... but in Coils, for Turn 1 - 2 - 4 depending of your tactics, any dps boost is more than appreciated when its done in an appropriated way.

Let people in the raid buff you. Havin to chain use steady to save 1 cooldown that will be up for 20 secs every 2 minutes isn't worth the hassle imho

I think they are both great in their own ways. It just breaks down on how you like to play the game and what you're comfortable with. Some people prefer Selene others Eos, & some even like using both depending on what's going on (∩_∩)! For me I personally love using Eos she always has my back ♥～(‘▽^人).

Question: Why is it when I use Obey, it ALWAYS says "invalid target" ?? Is there anyway to get them to not do ANYTHING unless I tell them to? And could someone/anyone explain the Place command? Level 35 SCH and I can't get that dang fairy to do anything I really want her to do! /fume lol

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OK Scholars decision time... Which fairy is do you think is better and why? Or are both of them equal?

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Question: Why is it when I use Obey, it ALWAYS says "invalid target" ?? Is there anyway to get them to not do ANYTHING unless I tell them to? And could someone/anyone explain the Place command? Level 35 SCH and I can't get that dang fairy to do anything I really want her to do! /fume lol

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With Obey you have to target an enemy first they won't use anything but healing spells(WD, Embrace) until you tell them yo do something else(you won't break Obey). If you put them on Steady they will only use Embrace until told otherwise(you'll have to put them back on Steady though if you use one of their spells)

Is there anyway to get her to not use Embrace unless I tell her to? And if I "Place" her, what exactly does that affect?

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Is there anyway to get her to not use Embrace unless I tell her to? And if I "Place" her, what exactly does that affect?

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No way in stopping Embrace(her using it won't take her off Steady, it's only when you use Embrace or her other spells). And placing her seems to make her heal faster/more since she's not moving when you're moving ^^.

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With Obey you have to target an enemy first and they will still use WD or Silence along with Embrace. If you put them on Steady they will only use Embrace until told otherwise(You'll have to put them back on Steady though if you use one of their spells)

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Selene does not use Silence when on Obey unless you tell her to.

I use Selene on trash and Eos on boss personaly. With a group that is fully geared, I use Selene all the time.

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Selene does not use Silence when on Obey unless you tell her to.

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Oh haha my mistake xD. I don't use her enough to know :P, I must of misread the info I was looking at >_<.

Selene for Coil Turn 1-4 (Eos for turn 2 ADS) and Phase 1 & 2 of Turn 5. Eos for everything else. The 30% speed buff increases kill time in Coil by A LOT (especially turn 4). For Titan and Garuda I use Eos because I usually solo heal it and can't do that with no aoe heal and damage mitigation.

Other than any other fights in this game you can use Selene for damage buffs. If you know how to play your class and micromanage your pet you should be fine solo healing anything except Coil.

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I use Selene on trash and Eos on boss personaly. With a group that is fully geared, I use Selene all the time.

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With a FC group I have been running WP with I summon Selene, pop Cleric Stance and DD the whole time, with the exception of bosses and some larger pulls.

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Originally Posted by Rainsford

While sure, it increases your healing per MP, is there a difference between a 1000 hp heal and a 1200 hp heal when the tank is missing 1000 hp? What about when they are missing 2000? in either scenario, you're casting the same number of heals. While FI is nice, what you give up to get it is a pretty bad trade-off.

For FC, when would you ever use it? On Titan, Plumes and his Astral Flow are the only magic attacks. Pre-Turn 5, I'm not sure what, if any, attacks are magical.

And for WD, like I had said, it's only really useful if you're trying to solo-heal Titan (or are healing Titan/Garuda with an undergeared partner). The HoT is too small to be depended on in progression content.

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Keeping the tank topped off is not really necessary in Coil. It is better to have them floating between 90-95% HP with an Adlo shield up than to overcure and toss that MP down the drain. In the example you gave, it might normally take two Physicks to bump up the tank to full, whereas under Fey Illumination, you might be satisfied with one Adloquium that brings the tank close, but not at, HP cap. Hope that makes sense. (Indeed, we might even be freed to wait 1-2 seconds for the next auto-attack/skill to hit the tank, and cast back-to-back Adloquiums that free up healer time to move around/reposition/cast abilities, etc)

Again, my concern is MP. It is certainly conceivable that Fey Illumination can bridge that gap and allow you to cast less heals, even if it is only for 8 GCDs. For encounters such as Caduceus and Turn 4/5, landing large cures is critical often in the fight, and so is conserving MP.

In terms of Fey Covenant, aren't move such as Ballast, Repelling, and Vacuum Wave magical? That could be useful for ADS.
You do mention that Whispering Dawn is useful for solo heal. So you agree that Eos is not totally sidelined???

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Unless you bring in specific counterexamples or counterarguments, you are contributing nothing to this discussion. Citing yourself as somehow having advanced knowledge of stats does not help. In fact, your lack of substantiated claims along with your self-reference to profession is a contradiction worthy of ridicule.

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The counterargument is clear, but I guess you missed it. My counterargument is that we do not know, with statistical backing, which faerie is best in every setting. Rainsford, however, is stating without exception that Selene is the best. Instead of doing that, I'm going to work on theorycrafting the faeries. However, I ran into a problem with FFXIVApp and FFXIVLogRep. The data failed to properly log, likely due to an error on my part.

So far, my work has been to validate Valk's calculator against Scholar, work on ideal rotations based on validating MP recovery information, and investigating the effect of Mage's Ballad on Scholar heals. My next stop is Eos/Selene and then food. All of which is being cataloged in an off-forum guide until the drafting is complete.

If you'd like to examine the draft, I'd love to find a way to share it with you.

I find Lv47 The Aurum Vale as SCH seems to be a bit hard... i've used both faeries, and they die to fast! Eos for the bosses but still, 1st time failed at the 1st mini boss couldn't get past, then 2nd time made it to final boss but failed! So got WHM to but not sure if want to try again!

What should i used for CM/WP? will be 1st times for both... i keep putting them off...

I've seen videos with primals with 2 SCH but both with Eos< why both the same! Selena and Eos would been good, make Selene use Spell and Skill Speed+ Skills, Skill+ to help with more DPS and Spell+ for faster healing and help if BLM is in party for DPS too...

I am vastly happier when I see Selene. Especially with a BLM in the party. My best WP times (which aren't near some of the godly 12s in this forum but are around 16-17s) are always when Selene is out.

100% anecdotal. Feel free to mine data. My theory is that a % of skill and spell speed across the DPS / tank and yourself out of cleric stance > with. I also haven't downed Titan yet, so I've only experienced some of the endgame.

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I find Lv47 The Aurum Vale as SCH seems to be a bit hard... i've used both faeries, and they die to fast! Eos for the bosses but still, 1st time failed at the 1st mini boss couldn't get past, then 2nd time made it to final boss but failed! So got WHM to but not sure if want to try again!

What should i used for CM/WP? will be 1st times for both... i keep putting them off...

I've seen videos with primals with 2 SCH but both with Eos< why both the same! Selena and Eos would been good, make Selene use Spell and Skill Speed+ Skills, Skill+ to help with more DPS and Spell+ for faster healing and help if BLM is in party for DPS too...

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Whispering Dawn stacks so if it was something like Titan with only two Scholars Eos could give them a lot of help.

Yesterday in AK I decided to use Selene for once and while she was under Fey Glow her Embrace speed was really fast. It seemed to me like it has a bigger effect on the fairy itself than on the player. Could be just my imagination though. But if it's actually that way Selene would be much stronger on single curing compared to Eos. Guess I have to test this.

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Unless you bring in specific counterexamples or counterarguments, you are contributing nothing to this discussion. Citing yourself as somehow having advanced knowledge of stats does not help. In fact, your lack of substantiated claims along with your self-reference to profession is a contradiction worthy of ridicule.

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Mkay, got some good testing done!

In testing Eos vs Selene, I used each faerie once in Coil 4. I did not control either faerie and I kept movement to a minimum. This was to attempt to control for Embrace usage.

Now, a disclaimer is that HPS and DPS is still highly variable in recording. I'm working on trying to validate my logs more readily, but it's difficult to work this unless everyone in my group runs the same parser.

For this work, I elected to use FFXIVLogRep as it records DOTs and HOTs.

In running Selene twice, I received the following information for healers:

HPS:
Selene A - 5m 12s - 329.93 WHM, 376.06 HPS SCH
Selene B - 5m 15s - 277.85 WHM, 302.45 HPS SCH

Eos A - 6m 45s - 277.33 WHM, 423.09 SCH
Eos B - 7m 10s - 583.53 WHM, 592.19 SCH

Average HPS over these is 395.30. Neither Selene heal attempts matched this average HPS. Both Eos runs appeared to match this. This would lead one to conclude that Eos is best for HPS despite Selene's buff.
Total Healed:

Selene A - 5m 12s - 102938 WHM, 117330 SCH
Selene B - 5m 15s - 87523 WHM, 95273 SCH

Eos A - 6m 45s - 112320 WHM, 171351 SCH
Eos B - 7m 10s - 250918 WHM, 254643 SCH

This would lead one to conclude that Eos is better for overall healing, but keep in mind that the time length presents a problem here. Now let's look at the averages healed in each fight, non-crit:

Selene A - 5m 12s - 1225 WHM, 696 SCH
Selene B - 5m 15s - 1234 WHM, 751 SCH

Eos A - 6m 45s - 1314 WHM, 644 SCH
Eos B - 7m 10s - 1228 WHM, 867 SCH

This would present one to conclude that Eos's heal buff may actually help depending on other circumstances including RNG.

Crits:

Selene A - 5m 12s - 1868 WHM, 1041 SCH
Selene B - 5m 15s - 1444 WHM, 1017 SCH

Eos A - 6m 45s - 1685 WHM, 1007 SCH
Eos B - 7m 10s - 2051 WHM, 1203 SCH

Some mixed results, but this one also shows pretty decent evidence that Eos is probably best overall for healing. However, the mixed results mean that, honestly, you can't say that Eos is vastly superior to Selene in healing. There are too many potential confounds here.

For the DPS, I chose to utilize a statistical test to see if Selene improves DPS significantly across the board. The tests ended up showing me that, quite frankly, there's no surefire outcome.

For all fights, only the Monk ended up with significant outcome...and he is the most geared in the raid. The bard ended up the worst DPS due to running Ballad. Other than that, it was mix and match.

Utilizing the logger-given DPS, statistical significance at the .05 level:

Selene A had significance with the Monk.
Selene B with a BLM and Monk.

Eos A had significance with a both BLM, Monk.
Eos B only had significance with the Monk.

Utilizing an attempted corrected DPS by dividing damage done by time of fight:

Selene A had significance with both BLM and Monk
Selene B had significance only with the Monk.

Eos A had no significant outcomes.
Eos B had significance with Monk and BLM.

All of these were tested against the average DPS of each user over 4 fights for 16 DPS measurements.

As a result of my findings, I decided that much more data is going to be needed to actually see which is statistically better than the other. As it stands, and as I've stated, there is no surefire way to know which faerie is better than the other. There are entirely too many confounding variables to test. You simply cannot equalize every single variable. Even with statistically testing Eos for healing, the outcomes are mixed.

The behavior of you and the DPS is much more important than the faerie you use. There will need to be more extensive testing to tell which faerie is "the best," but as it stands right now, either faerie can provide what is needed for both healing and DPSing.

@cainejw: There's one consistency in your logs that's not being accounted for, given what you've stated.

If you leave Selene completely uncontrolled, she never uses her skill speed buff, at all. Selene requires some manual labor to squeeze out all her benefits. (So I'm curious how the MNK is benefiting from it.)

Also, so far, you've demonstrated that despite Selene having what you are defining as a no surefire outcome situation, both Selene runs are at least 1 min 30 seconds shorter than the Eos run. If that keeps up in your testing, then something is wrong with your conclusion of "no surefire outcome" there.

Teykos, all but one run was a failure run. Eos B is a success run. We did approximately 6 runs, 4 of which turned out to be solid logs, 1 was a dummy log, and 1 had some really odd outcomes leading me to remove it as it was a third Eos log.

I also recognize that the operationalization leaves much to be desired. Frankly, you're never going to get a fully clean log for statistical comparison. If one DPS dies anytime during one fight but does not in another, the log is compromised. If the log misses or mislabels one attack, it's compromised. If one healer switches up their actions (Selene to Eos, for example) then the logs are compromised. If Fey Glow hits magic and Fey Light doesn't hit melee, again, compromised.


There's no good way to test the faeries in a vacuum with a full raid team. As that is the case, I am attempting to leverage the central limit theorem in my favor in hopes that the width of the data gathering equals out the confounding variables. As a sample has more iterations, it will appear more normative in nature. Sadly, the first round did not have lots of data.

Now, as you mention Fey Light, you are correct. That had not occurred to me. However, this only highlights the fact that the likely largest single contributor to DPS/Healing is not a faerie. It is not gear. It's not food. It will be the individual player and how they leverage their own characters. After that, I'm willing to bet that gear is the second largest factor in numerical outcomes. After all, we have two BLM and the lesser geared BLM, who was better rested and ready for the raid, did more DPS than the better geared BLM who was tired.

If you think that you can ensure that every DPS stays alive, that all of the buffs apply to everyone, healers never change their rotation, tanks never lose enmity, healers always have the exact same amount of MP, positioning is always the same, gear never changes between fights, foods are always up, buffs are always the same, AND that the exact same amount of energy level from each player is put into each run every single time...then please, give your hand at this.

Otherwise, I do apologize that I cannot give you a perfectly isolated, controlled experiential recounting of Eos and Selene. Instead, I can attempt to give Scholars experiential, non-theoretical, numbers-driven, non-simulation information. That information at this moment says both faeries are useful in differing situations.