Update on DirectX 11 client?

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Originally Posted by Shioban

I forgot to mention, there is no official date only that it's coming along with the PS4 version of the game which is slated to start its 'testing' in February so we can safely assumed February ~ March(ish).

You can find the sources yourself, you're a big boy.

You did watch the live-letters.....didn't you?

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Like I said, nice source.

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Originally Posted by misterrpg

Like I said, nice source.

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For someone previously saying "Urggh, this community" you sure have a nice way of 'communicating'...

But let's do it your way.
It wasn't particularly difficult to find any of this, but I've already said there's no solid date yet, only that it's slated to be released along-side the PS4 which was previously announced (In a Live Letter) sometime around February.

Most of it was mentioned around the live-letters produced around the time the E3 trailer revealed that the game was being ported to the PlayStation 4, the rest was information in various interviews.

[Video Inside Article]
http://www.finalfantasy.net/xiv/yosh...y-xiv-ps4vita/

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For players currently playing on the PlayStation 3, the upgrade to PlayStation 4 is drastic. Not only will the game feature better graphics all around on nex-generation hardware, but it will be able to render up to 200 players in your vicinity. With the large amount of memory that the PlayStation 4 provides, as well as the character data that is passed from server to player, this is possible. The special touchpad on the DualShock 4 will allow players a point-and-click feature. Using the PlayStation 4′s video sharing capabilities, you’ll be able to quickly share videos of important moments such as your favorite cutscenes your your narrow victories.

If you own a PlayStation Vita, you’re in luck, as Yoshida confirms that Remote Play will be possible between PlayStation 4 and the handheld, allowing you to take the MMO off the HD screen and into your hands. Eorzea Libra, a companion app scheduled to roll out very soon for iOS (and within a month on Android) will also be available for PlayStation Vita users.

In closing, Yoshida described that his favorite parts of the PlayStation 4 were its large pool of memory (which allows more breathing room when creating high quality assets) and the Remote Play connectivity with PlayStation Vita.

Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn will be available on PlayStation 4 next year, presumably after DirectX 11′s release. The game is now currently available on PlayStation 3 and Windows PC.

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http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/06/...nced-and-more/

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The team is going to work on the DirectX 11 client for PC together with with the PS4 version, so it will be released in early 2014 as well.

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http://www.gameskinny.com/7gecj/ffxi...rt-3-lets-talk

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Besides, according to director/producer Naoki Yoshida, DX11 is coming within a year (not to mention the PS4 release). I think I can tough out the wait!

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http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/0...naoki-yoshida/

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Nova Crystallis: You mentioned before that the next milestone after launch is the implementation of DirectX 11 support. How is this going to work with the standard client?
Yoshida: First of all for DirectX 11, we’ll probably ask the players to download a separate client as it’s a totally different technology.

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http://www.warcry.com/news/view/1248...cer-Live-at-E3

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Yoshida mentioned that the announcement was brand new and that they were still working on the details but that players could expect a DirectX 11 and PS4 port to be released pretty close together and as soon as a year or so from now.

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http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/09/...t-pc-settings/

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That said, he clarified that a DirectX 11 version of the PC client is currently in development, and while the PS4 version will use some of the new DirectX 11 features, it won’t use them all.

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As for finding the specific live-letter(s) where actual time-frames were mentioned, you can take a long walk off a short-cliff. That's for you to find seeing as you're the one seeking for information on the actual release of the update. But the information is there, the rough time-frame has been given, and all you can do is sit with your thumb up your arse while you wait for more information.

Once again, cool headed logic prevails.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

Once again, cool headed logic prevails.

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Logic? Cool headed logic? In a MMO forum? You must certainly be mistaken. That is a physical impossibilty that goes against the very laws of nature. It just cannot be... o_O!

Joking aside, ARR is starting to bore me. Say what you will about 1.x, but it certainly *tried* to do some things a bit different. (Wether or not that was successful is another thing entirely.) ARR in contrast is just your run-of-the-mill themepark formula with a FF paintjob. And on top, it still lacks some QoL things that should have been in by now, seeing as it is a remake, not an entirely new game.

Personally, I payed for a 6 month sub, so I will have some time to make up my mind. Let's see where SE takes this. Though I'll be honest and say I have lowered my expectations considerably by now.

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

i have still to see a mmorpg with this graphic around.

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Even WoW has a DX11 client available, and that game has graphics comparable to a coloring book.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

Wow, so many things put in my mouth.

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https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i..._CMK61LSFHdvFj

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

Even WoW has a DX11 client available, and that game has graphics comparable to a coloring book.



https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i..._CMK61LSFHdvFj

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I think she was maybe referring more to the over-all scheme of things, not just the DirectX library they're using.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

*lots of useful information that is exactly what the OP asked for*

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You know, this guy is never going to come back into this thread, and the rapture will actually happen before he says 'thank you.'

And that is really sad, because you provided all the information that was asked for.

So,I'll do it. Thank you! Thank you for the excellent information that you found. :)

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Originally Posted by TrystWildkey

You know, this guy is never going to come back into this thread, and the rapture will actually happen before he says 'thank you.'

And that is really sad, because you provided all the information that was asked for.

So,I'll do it. Thank you! Thank you for the excellent information that you found. :)

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http://images.wikia.com/aceattorney/...rth-bow(a).gif

I see that Misterrpg is online right now. I'm wondering if you've had a chance to review the sources that Shioban listed for you?

:D

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Originally Posted by misterrpg

I love how if anyone says 1.0 was better in ANY way, then we are classified as "trolls". Ugh, you're disgusting. Many people firmly believe that 1.0 was a better game, period.

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I think you should replace Many people with "I am the only person"

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Originally Posted by TrystWildkey

Really? To be perfectly honest, we've been spoiled by SE with regard to news, updates, status reports and feedback regarding this game. If they communicated any more to us, we'd be honorary members of the dev team, or unpaid interns.

I'm not sure what company you guys are using as a model/reference when it comes to 'acceptable levels of communication' but really, they tell us SO MUCH information already.

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/wonders how much you charge

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Originally Posted by Sheer

[See the question at 1:42:30 for source.]


My point is, as players, we're incredibly blind and short-sighted as to what happens from a technical standpoint. FFXIV: ARR is the reason the team working on it gets paid; not only are they employed because of ARR, but a number of the staff also play the game. Why wouldn't they want to make a game they play the best they can?

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what does he mean about "enough memory" considering I have 6TB of hard drive space, 32GB of ram, and 4 gpus with 6gb of VRAM. I get that this isn't the typical pc but.. whats wrong with making some of this stuff toggle'able?

and srsly.. dx11 ftw cause SLI on dx9 is borked so mmmmmbad.

(oh cute text limit so I have to either not quote someone or edit their quote in order to post)

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Originally Posted by Althea

However, ARR took away those because lolps3.

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Sorry software design isn't my strong suit. Explain to me why the ps3 would have anything to do w/ the PC version? In terms of graphic capability of course. They obviously made it possible to run the pc version at a much higher resolution, and to toggle and customize all these effects etc... so why not better textures for the pc version? The PS3 version not being able to run them shouldn't be our problem nor effect us.

If I didn't plan on the ps4 version I would have boughten a ps3 version and im not a moron, I would expect it to not look as good but I understand common sense is a very rare commodity among the internet population. Anyhow, question is legitimate and still stands.

Pro tip Square, enough w/ the 1000 character limit. WE cant even quote ppl ffs

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Originally Posted by klepp0906

-three posts calling out people-

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You do realize this is a necro thread... the people you are talking to will probably not respond.

One of few the problems I have with the visuals of ARR (in a design sense) is the random bits of color vibrancy.
They just don't seem to fit most of the more naturalistic gear.

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

Even WoW has a DX11 client available, and that game has graphics comparable to a coloring book.

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WoW also has hi-resolution textures, which we don't get for a lot of things in this game, and if previous dev posts are to be believed, SE has no plans in improving it - so frustrating. Apparently SE is incapable of constructing their graphics options to allow for a hi-rez toggle.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

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there is no cant when you program there just taking shortcuts & ps3 has limits, there not using rpg maker.
graphics were smooth in 1.0 in 2.0 there gritty. they can use all the animations from 1.0 on the pc but took a shortcut for the PS3.
zones could still be massive if they made it streaming but they went for the tiny little zone that has to sit in memory the whole time.

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Originally Posted by misterrpg

As it currently stands, A Realm Reborn indisputably looks much worse than 1.0. 1.0 looked gorgeous, one of the best looking games by far when it came out in 2010. A Realm Reborn looks terrible by today's MMORPG standards.

Can we please receive an update on the DirectX 11 client? What is the development team doing to make the game look better? Will it perform any better than the current client? What is the release window for the DirectX 11 client (I see some articles saying as long as June 2014, another one says "early 2014"?

I really would love to know about this.. Don't keep your customers in the dark.

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1.0 seemed very bland and 2.1 is the most graphical looking mmo to date, so why moan and whinge about it?

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Lies and slander.

They could have always allowed us to interupt animations instead of just cutting them hole hog like they did with alot of other systems.

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The animations in 1.0 were physics assisted. They were dynamic and took alot more to maintain. That's the reason they're worse off now than before. It most certainly is not as simple as interrupting them. 2.0 went with 1) Memory consumption and 2) consistency in mind, especially for the PS3 version.

It's not as simple as "We forgot about gender differences". It's more like "that's another multiple of animations to load per zone".


1.0 is graphically better but 2.0 is so much better designed artistically and functionally that I really can't believe people are complaining. 1.0 looks lifeless, washed out and dull compared to almost any screenshot of 2.0, despite its higher horsepower usage.


And i really should bold horsepower usage, because that game sucked ass at resource conservation.

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Originally Posted by gintoki88

1.0 seemed very bland and 2.1 is the most graphical looking mmo to date, so why moan and whinge about it?

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What do you mean by "most graphical looking"?

Because 1.0 had higher definition textures (including things like bump map), depth of field, better AA, more polycount, colors choices that supported the armor designs instead of making them cheap and flashy, and far superior animations. The new lighting system seems pretty give and take. It tends to be pretty good on the characters with bright light, but kinda cheap looking on the environments. The environment designs got a big boost, but they could really use more clear definition and soft shading from distant objects.

As to why we why "moan and whinge" about it? It's to annoy you. You specifically. No one else. Just you.

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Originally Posted by Shiin

DX11 client planned release date is 6 mounth after PS4 client release, so september-october 2014. We know that PS4 beta starts late february and will last 1 month.

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It's being released along with the PS4 client, not 6 months after.

If I don't see DX11 in 1-2 months, I'll cancel the subscription period. I like the the design, but not DX9 in 2014 ok? it's way outdated!
Also admit it the end game content is boring. Grinding dungeon for gears? Come on I really believe you can do better than this SE.

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Originally Posted by Kluya15

It's being released along with the PS4 client, not 6 months after.

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I'm hopeful this is the case but can't find a source that claims this to be so. Do you have one? Does anyone have a source?

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Originally Posted by cbskillz

I'm hopeful this is the case but can't find a source that claims this to be so. Do you have one? Does anyone have a source?

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I just got a little giddy with this post.. Though i'm not getting my hopes up!

They're pushing the PS4 build THEN focusing on DX11. Yoshi has said as much. DX11 will likely be in the summer. Probably worked on in tandem with 2.3 just like PS4 and 2.2.

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Originally Posted by cbskillz

I'm hopeful this is the case but can't find a source that claims this to be so. Do you have one? Does anyone have a source?

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Originally PS4 and DX11 was planned to be developed at the same time. It's not the case now.

Last estimate I heard was from Tokyo Game Show interview. Based off interview I guess it's about 6 months from March-April.


http://gamerescape.com/2013/09/24/game-watch-interviews-naoki-yoshida-part-2/

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GW: When can we expect the DirectX 11 version release?
Yoshida:We were finally able to announce the PS4 versions beta test timing, so from there the next phase would be about 6 month later. As I have been saying, there are patch 2.0, PS3 version, DirectX 11 version, and PS4 version for our milestone. Right now our first goal is the PS4 version, then the DirectX 11 version. We are thinking of these milestones in about 6 month intervals.

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Edit: replaced source that has better translation.

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Originally Posted by Shiin

No. Read this: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1324244

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Also, that date.. "2013-09-21" 9-21-2013. Not exactly recent at all.

It was kind of up in the air at that point in time, but I believe there's been more recent talk about the DX11 version. I really don't see why we couldn't get it relatively close to the same time as the PS4 version launch.

it's always been 90-180 days after the PS4 version's release. since 4/14/14 is the PS4 Launch Date you're looking at 7/13/14 - 10/11/14.

Man. That's just too slow. :\ shouldn't they already be working on it? I mean a little over a year just to get dx11 is a little much.

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Originally Posted by Axidrain

Man. That's just too slow. :\ shouldn't they already be working on it? I mean a little over a year just to get dx11 is a little much.

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I can't wait to see/hear all the disappointment when it finally drops. It isn't going to be everything that people are expecting to come with DX11 and it will most likely be enhanced via patches after deployment.

The only reason I care right now about DX11 is that AMD's frame pacing for Eyefinity displays doesn't actually work on DX9 and only works on DX11 games. So, I'm hoping for either SE or AMD to fix one or other. The frame chop on 2 x 7970 in Eyefinity is crazy.

There would be no difference between the development reqs. for the PS4 client and the DX11 client and they would both require the same team members from the Dev Team to complete. I think it's pretty unrealistic to think they could put together 2.2, build the PS4 client AND build the DX11 client at the same time. Given the way Yoshi described their development system it's likely the 2.2 Team is also/overlaps with the PS4 client team and they'll hand off to the live release team and move on to DX11/2.3. Their setup is three teams but I can't remember the breakdown. Major Patch/Minor Patching/Current Build?

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GE: Having just played the PS4 version of the game, we noticed that the graphics quality looked much better than the previous PS3 version– the number of NPCs and players that could be displayed at one time was much higher, the field of view was much better – with the graphics being much better with this iteration of the game, we were wondering about the DirectX 11 version of the game? Perhaps if you can give us a time frame or maybe an idea of what we can expect from the DirectX 11 version of the game?

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Yoshida: With respect to the Windows DirectX version of the game, of course we have made some preparations for a DirectX version. We’ve been developing the PlayStation 4 version which runs on 64 bit hardware and because of that work, the Windows 64 bit version is done. However, this coming summer we plan to release the game in China and after that we have plans for an expansion pack so when we finish those, we will be looking to complete the DirectX milestone. With that in mind, after we successfully launch A Realm Reborn in China and begin work on the expansion pack – I believe that around that time that we may be able to speak more about the DirectX 11 client for Windows. But don’t worry! We are definitely making progress on that project. (laughs)

As far as what to expect from the DirectX 11 client, it is my policy that we don’t do anything to change the gameplay experience from one platform to another. While DirectX 11 will provide a graphical advantage for some players on newer hardware, there really are no changes in gameplay for someone with older hardware vs newer hardware. However, in terms of graphics there may be a large jump in graphics quality – the whole engine and the rendering pipeline is completely different. The way shaders work, the way polygons are rendered, water effects, mirroring affects, or objects getting wet – they all work a bit differently on the new version for DirectX and will be updated for the DirectX 11 client. So for players who are more discerning of graphic quality – they will most likely notice. But it will not change the gameplay at all, and I’d like to make it so that it is simply another option you can select.

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With that in mind, after we successfully launch A Realm Reborn in China and begin work on the expansion pack – I believe that around that time that we may be able to speak more about the DirectX 11 client for Windows.

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Yep.

http://gamerescape.com/2014/02/12/ps...naoki-yoshida/

oh sweet. A current source! Thanks Nikita!

Would be nice if they at least gave us the 64bit executable he said is done. Shouldn't be releasing anything these days without a 64bit build or are 64 bit PCs not as large a market share as I thought?

So... After a summer release in China and after an expansion? DX11 probably not until next year? x.x Or at the very end of this year... ugh. That's disappointing.

Also

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I’d like to make it so that it is simply another option you can select.

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You clearly understand that such a thing is possible, Yoshi. Please do this for high resolution textures.

That's how I interpret it also. If SE going to delay it that long I hope they consider a high resolution textures option.

@Lithera, we don't need 64-bit executable that includes no other changes. Performance difference won't be noticeable and FFXIV doesn't use more than 4 GB of memory.

For the people whining about AA: please educate yourself. You have the option of SGSSAA right in front of you. I run 4x SGSSAA and maintain near 60FPS. I use low SSAO as it looks better to me along with normal shadow cascading. All else is high settings with occluding on. The shadow LODs on best in this game are horrid in Gridania and elsewhere. I cannot wait until some of these things are fixed. At any rate.... you have the option of SGSSAA and it looks fantastic.

I would argue against using all that crap like SweetFX that people peddle. Game doesn't need tweaked lighting and oversharpening. MSAA did not work with this game to my knowledge... and for sure it doesn't cover the biggest offender of jaggies in this game: the transparencies. You NEED a supersampling method to make the foliage in this game decent. If you want to run 60FPS consider a 770 minimum and overclocked. The foliage in this game is just noisy as hell without SGSSAA.

On another note this game looks fantastic it just needs that extra layer of polish and optimization. I hope that means this year FFS.

Might be just me, but I'd take an expansion and more new content over DX11 support every single day of the week.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

The inertia steps for movement was removed in favour of combat as your characters actual speed slowed down as a result of the inertia steps for starting and stopping movement, so that we could move quicker.

Image doing Titan with inertia steps where you're slower to start and stop moving.

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I only wish that they would have keep the old animations for CS, where the character don't need to move fast out of a AoE.
Because CS are for the eyes, not for gameplay.