[ HMMM ] BST= Beastmaster as next class ... ALL WILL /bow

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Like what I was hoping for blue mage the limited side of that job, and of BST, would be very approach-able and not in any way require players to have to "main it all the way or 'why bother'". Like one of the concepts I latched onto for blue mage was that it's powerlevel (when in limited format) came largely from spells learned (meaning you'd want to learn all the spells, and even spells you don't really have a use for yet would still have value and in that way you wouldn't have to spend your tomes on blue mage limited side in order to make it a worth while content as someone who wouldn't 'main' the normal side of the job). So like that the limited side of BST would allow players to enjoy it without having to go all in on the normal side (there would still be progression systems of course! but you'd not have to spend your end game progression tokens to enjoy the side portion).

In terms of combat I imagined it would have a lot of interactions with their pet, but unlike SMN the interactions would be more like teamwork and playing off each other. Rather SMN in some ways IS the egi so their will be done as themselves (and this is more true in the recent version than previously, which honestly I'm happy with- glad they're going this more dissida yuna way), while BST you're working with another conscious entity so I think that sense of 'teamwork' would be a great thing to build off. There you'd have combat abilities that'd play off each other, your pet maybe using an action that boosts some of your attacks, you them, those chrono trigger like combos (or other games like that), maybe a certain combo string has no positional on the enemy but rather has positional of where you stand by your pet, though of course there would still be commands (attack this, follow me) just a higher emphasis on unity while SMN keeps growing towards 'my will be done' (as it started to go in the latest expansion rework). Because the pet is conscious they can also respond to you getting hurt or crowd controlled, like reducing debuff duration in automated protection of you, or use a baby version of Paladin cover if you'd get hit, alternatively if you're in the clear and they're not they might have a cooldown check that before damage is registered will cause them to do a dodge animation as if they leaped out of the area and back in (helping them be less of a chore to manage, though cooldown shouldn't be too fast). Would be interesting if, at least on the limited side, the had some personalities a bit like Trust characters, may be able to bring that idea of personalities in a 'normal' / balanced format via archetype aspects (like telling them to take on the aspect of the raptor for x gambit effects and bonuses).

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Teamwork with the pet would depend on the job of the pet. Heal, Tank, DMG, or Support.

Its complicated while versatile.

One of the most beloved jobs possible that also gives the ability to solo easily.

BST = NEXT ! !

Ah… job requirements :,) The nostalgia.

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

Ah… job requirements :,) The nostalgia.

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Aaah, pet jobs. I remember those. lol

lol, the devs can't even do blu mage without locking them out of nearly all content. BST would be just another lords of vermillion. Learn to let go, you will be happier in the long run.

I would love Beastmaster, but given how the Dev Team hates pet classes and turned SMN into what it is now I can't really see how it would work.

If anything their kit might just 'summon' random animals like SMN or their attack animations would have beasts jumping in and out like Assists in a Fighting Game or something.

Anything to avoid having an A.I Controlled pet pretty much.

Maybe they revamped SMN because they wanted to reskin the old version's playstyle onto BST... /copingway

Would be best if the Beastmaster prefer as Trainer like FFX-2 dressphere and I want it as a Ranged Physical Damage.
And for Caster, I'd like to see Lady Luck, gambling to your heart and show the world how bad/good luck of yours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBrD...l=ShadowFeline

If they can make beastmaster better than summoner, I'll switch over in a heartbeat.

Didn't we get huge hints that Beastmaster was supposed to be the next limited job to join BLU? I assumed it got delayed because of Covid similar to how DSR was delayed.

As others have said. The devs have made it clear that a real pet job will not be a thing in the foreseeable future. See SMN for more details since it's an example of such an approach.
If you ask me how I can imagine a beastmaster as a normal job, then I'll say the only way I can imagine it working without having real pets at your side would be by having each skill calling out for a different beast or something similar in that regard. Think of release but each skill is based on it.
But if it was a limited job, then it can be either a real pet job (Since balancing doesn't matter) or by taming different beasts around the world where each kind can give a different skill. Think of Bozja lost actions but you acquire it from taming beasts and add more uses to it up to its limit by taming more which means BST would probably be on the lookout for taming more from a while to another.

Said it in another BST thread a while ago but I think one way to approach having substantial actions on a pet while not having all the major issues FFXIV normally has with pets could be by having you assume direct control of the said pet. You can have it like Pokémon where the trainer, you, is still there and perhaps you have some minor actions you can do (or alternatively you can switch them on some cooldown interval such that you might control both throughout the fight), but the main point being when you need that direct responsiveness the command isn't going from you to the pet it's as if you had suddenly taken over the RP system some quests use.

Like using the new follower system we have in EW, that NPCs use so you can escort them about (except your character is the follower lol). Naturally you can switch when you want, for RP / sanity sake- but for combat you'd mostly control the pet (s?) directly.

Such a concept may get around the current pet issues the game has, and perhaps in general balance as well (for example do pets have health bars? it would be nice if they did, but then do you yourself also have a health bar?....). Here it would be like a single health bar, and you can unlink yourself perhaps via a special ability with duration / cooldown- such that you might be able to preposition 'teleports' (for next 60 seconds when controlling one the other doesn't reposition via follower system, now I can quickly control myself into a corner while the pet doesn't move or more ideally stays on target, then when I switch back my character is like a summoner egi and can't get hurt, and I can keep playing as the beast- finally when I need to 'teleport' I activate the ability again and my controlling character warps to my non-controlled character. Give it more range that most movement skills, but obviously it requires preperation, another movement skill might be just higher movement speed or pet dependent like powerful dash attacks as a big form, stacking faster movement speed on an agile animal, dash swoop on an aerial).

Only thing I don't really like about the idea is that it is vaguely akin to a transformation job, and one thing it would do well is allow you to show your character with all of it's glamour and have a transformation 'pokemon-like pet system' which is actually fairly smart idea..... but... I really want to get to personally transform lol. And I believe a transformation job can still have some customization via ideas like WoW had but also through a clever pick of weapon, for example I've suggested a scarf, cloak, sash, Nezha, like thing that would be incorporated not only in the forms you take but also in the transformation animations.

A simple picture for changing might be you'd have your weapon lift off you a bit more than however much it already was and a de-threading animation plays as it surrounds your character and then you change shape- might also think of some of the Bayonetta visuals with her hair. You might need to make a few standard shapes (just like many other jobs have for their common 'variants'), but so long as you're able to reuse those shapes with a similar texture I think the extra work wouldn't be too much (like scarfs could have a different pose and scale that fits on you with the same model / texture and fit on a wolf form- looking proper yet saving a lot of resources and still also allowing each job of this type a level of customization that usually transforming jobs lack, certainly some forethought in shapes but I think you can optimize the situation so it's not significantly more difficult). Originally I was really hoping for Diablos like theme transformations but with reaper it might not be bad to do others, obviously animals but you have WoW so that might feel like a copy, alternatively you may consider more Esper (like FFXII) which could be very cool, and potentially also take inspirations from the FFXVI game coming out in a bit.

The problem with pets was the lag in the days of modems or lazy tab targeting.

BST is golden age Final Fantasy and long overdue

If it was a real class.
Ability to store 4-5 different animals you catch in open worlds and can call as many times as you want.
DPS