Square-Enix you didn't think this through (alt leveling)

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Originally Posted by Jess72

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In regards to grinding mobs, that depends on how you go about it. I was near Highbridge as a level 24 MRD
with my Choco out, spam-killing Phurbles between FATE pops. I was getting 350-400 exp/kill and I was chaining
at a pretty fast rate. I was probably getting 3-5k exp between FATE pops depending on how long they took.
Obviously this might differ if you are a CNJ or something.

I can imagine on a pure DD class (LNC, PUG, ARC) this might be a higher number, too. Obviously MRD is gonna
kill a little slower, lol.

1. Leve quests.
(Oh no I capped out my level quest limits)
2. Buy experience boosters from your Grand Company
(Oh no I'm running out of seals)
3. Move to a different area to do fates.
(Oh no, for some reason EVERY SINGLE ZONE IN THE WORLD... is empty)
4. Jeez, thats weird, do you play at 4 am? Why not try making some more friends
who want to level sub classes with you?
(I hate you Aaron Tee, nobody wants to be my friend and nothing your saying is helpful)
5. Um... sever transfer? Aren't they going to give some free ones?
(No no no no no no no!)
6. Try leveling a little higher and just stick with it!

if you use an alt and have a leveled job you can duo the fates with you Chocobo either healing you or being the tank including nm fates assuming you do a lot of damage and have decent healing CNJ THM as alts are great at solo NM fights with a choco. obviously taking on a NM of equal level to you is pushing the envelope a bit or impossible for some.

doing trash mob fates alone is actually quite fun. makes pulling skills actually relevant. and it teaches you to max your DPS to meet the time limit ticking away.

going into fates with 300 people blazing away in fate parties has no redeeming value even the speed of xp doesn't make the sheer boredom this kind of fate chasing creates it makes fates about as interesting as Lobotany and the other gathering jobs.

being on a mostly Euro players server the down hours means lots of 5-6 people doing Dragonhead region fates. which made the fates interesting to actually play. when only a whm and archer take on and beat "the bigger they are" its a fun fight again not a 45 second cakewalk.

EXP chain mobs that drop good high demand mats. Making exp, leveling chocobo and making heaps of gil in the process. Win win.

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Originally Posted by Spanky

You grind... You know.. like you do in EVERY FINAL FANTASY EVER... sheesh

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Kill dem Magic Pots till you have nightmares about them...

OP is blatantly lying. It is absolutely possible(and quite easy) to solo FATEs. The only ones you can't solo are the ones with boss mobs(Cactaur Jack for instance).

All the normal ones are easily solable and I've done it myself as Conj, Arcanist, Gladiator, Lancer, Pugilist, and Maurader. If you can't solo them, you are doing something very very wrong.

Wel your in the wrong zone the best place on behemoth is horizon you do the lower part of the map up to horizon till lvl 10 and then the middle to vesper bay for 10-15 thats where i just lvl'd my alt

here is a good fate guide i found a while ago
http://ffxivrealm.com/guides/ebens-f...pdate-soon.26/

Now this might sound quite silly.. but I didn't think about using the chocobo to help with soloing fates (LMAO) but I still stand with my opinion.

Dungeon exp is useless and should be higher than fates, especially with the mvp system coming out.
Guildhests should reset per class, not character.
Fates should still scale in my honest opinion, even the bosses... make them hard but still possible.

If your just trying to get to level 15. Why not have a friend power level you up there? 1-10 is about 7 mins total if you find the right spot. Then you have aleport fates and 20 hunting logs to do to get the last 5.

Couldn't help but notice the OP posted in the wee hours of the morning. If that's the time you expect people to be populating the areas and doing FATEs, you'd be mistaken. Plus, soloing FATEs is quite feasible as long as you know how not to aggro a million enemies at once. Heck, it's more doable sometimes than it is when areas are overcrowded - when FATEs end in about 30 seconds. (North Thanalan anyone?)

OP does have a point though. We need more ways to level. Some of us don't like whoring out FATEs all day. Make them a "do them if you see them" kind of thing we can do while being preoccupied with something else...like more quests for example.

Nevermind alt leveling. When new classes are put in, are we just gonna be FATE whoring forever? Sorry, but that's so dull I don't even want to think about it. Something needs to be done.

Actually 1-10 is the easy part, the time consuming part is 10-15 before the first dungeon.

I've got all classes to 15 before on my alt and 1-10 is always easily taken care of via the hunting log and the FATE that spawns nearby. 10-15 is when you start to feel the grind at odd hours of the day when FATEs spawn slowly and there's little people.

But since it's so low level, just picking on a mob and grinding them is good supplement to experience. Personally I think 1-15 is not perfect, but not broken either.

After that I queue dungeons and gather/craft so I wouldn't know how FATE grinders feel afterwards.

If this game is a grind to lv. classes, pray you guys never play a Korean game, u might shoot yourselves.

i say people should not whine about lvling it is so freaking easy. it's not like grinding in FFXI for days just for one freaking lvl. But to me that was half the fun having to work hard to get some where.... now all mmos are geared towards these whiny a** causals

I know one of the main things about this game is the ability to play multiple classes on one character.

BUT, the reasons you list here are the main reason I am considering just literally creating an alt character for different combat classes.

If I do create a new character than I can get all the quests back, I can choose a different free company, and I can experiment around with starting in a new city.

It kind of defeats the purpose of being able to play multiple combat classes on my one character. But, I do not really feel like fate grinding to 50..and I really don't like the idea of trying to do fates alone from 1-40.

The way I see it is they give us 8 character slots..I might as well use some of them.

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Originally Posted by maniac419

i say people should not whine about lvling it is so freaking easy. it's not like grinding in FFXI for days just for one freaking lvl. But to me that was half the fun having to work hard to get some where.... now all mmos are geared towards these whiny a** causals

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If you can't get your character from lv.1 to lv.50 in less than a day, than most ppl consider this the worst MMO in existence. The actual MMORPG's are dead and gone, the new wave of "everything needs to be handed to me NOW!!" MMORPG's are here unfortunately. Hopefully in the future ppl will relearn patience and the golden age of MMORPG's will come again.

I assume in the future there will be more story quests to play low and high level, more dungeons high and low. Right now I'm just focusing on my main and doing gathering. When I gear up my main I will level archer to 50. It may seem a bit slow now but in a year there will be new content to level up high and low level jobs so this will not be a problem.

2.1 seems to be more geared towards end game content and some other things but I expect further content to have new story quests starting at low level and working their way up.

The FATEs in low level zones like lower la noscea and central shroud can all be solo'd.

After level 12 or so, you should be going to Aleport. You do FATEs in Aleport (preferably with a FATE party... there's almost always people in the zone) until level 20.

At 20, you go to Quarrymill and get in a FATE party there. Quarrymill can take you all the way to 40 if you like, but most stop around 32 to go to Dragonhead. Level 39-40-ish you can go to Revenant's Toll (way better than Dragonhead). Once you hit 43-45, you go to Northern Thanalan (Cerulean Processing Plant). That will take you to 50.

Very much like FFXI and the "best" leveling areas.

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Originally Posted by Rekujen

What happens when your game evens out and low level zones are empty?
What happens when hunting log isn't enough to grant my alt classes levels?

I'll tell you what happens... running around as a level 7 Lancer struggling to gain experience because nobody is doing Fates and the Fates don't scale properly for me to solo them.

I'm on a very populated server (Behemoth) and as of right now, Central Shroud and Western LaNoscea are both empty with roughly 6-7 people in them, and nobody is doing fates.

I'm asking you, how do I level? my hunting log alone isn't enough and since I've done every quest on my 50 and nobody is doing fates, what can I do?

you want my suggestion? ...

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Take up crafting... Gathering? Be a useful asset to the community? Jump ship?

(just saying)

when i leveled thm all i did was spam blizzard II for 30 levels... it's not a great way to learn the class but why on earth would i slow down my exp rate?

like i said, reset side quests when u switch class, make dungeons give WAY more EXP than they currently give and reset guildhests for each class

problem solved.

The only significant point that can be added to ANY of this is that there should be more viable ways to level your characters that are of EQUAL opportunity. As it stands FATEs are far and away the most efficient, therefore making it the ONLY viable option for someone who wishes to level at the best rate of exp per hour. A lot of content here is wasted due to the fact that it's just not a better option to experience grind dungeons/levequests/quests etc when there is something else that supersedes it by such an immense margin such as FATEs do. Make the experience equal on most, if not all levelling options so as to make the experience that much more fun. I don't see how that effects the difficulty in any way. FATEs are what the majority do right now, but there would be less congestion in places like Coerthas (which on some servers isn't even possible to do for PS3 users) if everyone and their mothers weren't fate grinding their faces off, because there are no other worthy alternatives.

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Originally Posted by Rekujen

What happens when your game evens out and low level zones are empty?
What happens when hunting log isn't enough to grant my alt classes levels?

I'll tell you what happens... running around as a level 7 Lancer struggling to gain experience because nobody is doing Fates and the Fates don't scale properly for me to solo them.

I'm on a very populated server (Behemoth) and as of right now, Central Shroud and Western LaNoscea are both empty with roughly 6-7 people in them, and nobody is doing fates.

I'm asking you, how do I level? my hunting log alone isn't enough and since I've done every quest on my 50 and nobody is doing fates, what can I do?

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You know you could always form a party and grind higher level mobs like in FFXI...
With the armory bonus it isn't that bad...

I agree with you though, there should be more solo options like the ones you listed. :)

If there is anything wrong with leveling, it is how easy it is...not the opposite.

Maybe you guys are just really good at this game? Just saying.

Ignore the alt Grind completely make an Alt and get the Story and quests to help. If not find a game that isn't such a stupid grind just for the sake of slowing you down, to please hardcores.. they do exist.

Leveling is the least of your worries. After doing all that leveling, it takes 77 runs of CM/Praetorium to get that alt in full DL+relic to be able to raid anyways. Repeat the same boring easymode dungeons 77 times, that's the real grind in this game.

And I'm not saying 1-15 is a pain in the ass. What most do is wait till lv11 or lv12 and go straight to aleport.

1-10 is plain horrible, lv 7-10 is that gap where you can't do crap but grind mobs.

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Originally Posted by maniac419

i say people should not whine about lvling it is so freaking easy. it's not like grinding in FFXI for days just for one freaking lvl. But to me that was half the fun having to work hard to get some where.... now all mmos are geared towards these whiny a** causals

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this so much

Yeah sorry having to work 60 hours a week and don't have time to spend 5 hours doing 1 level.

What is this, 2001?

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Originally Posted by Rekujen

Yeah sorry having to work 60 hours a week and don't have time to spend 5 hours doing 1 level.

What is this, 2001?

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Maybe play a game better suited to your time requirements?

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Originally Posted by GarrEphemeral

Maybe play a game better suited to your time requirements?

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There's a huge difference in

"I can do 2-3 dungeons, squeeze in some crafting and maybe a few levels of xyz class"

compared to

"I can grind one level"

Let's just remove fates now , and then nobody else who joins will know of their existence and we can all grind at slower pace , and then worry about this wall another year down the road...

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Originally Posted by Rekujen

Not to mention they don't reset when you swap class.. making guildhests only useful once and once only.

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you should be more clearer, you mean the first time bonus exp you get from each guildhests for doing them the first time

I agree with the OP. Leveling an alt is a chore -- even getting thaumaturge to 26 for swiftcast was a huge pain. It's not hard, it's not challenging (heck, it's not even particularly slow if you latch onto a fate or chain train), but it's BORING. Ideally in a MMO you should be able to level alts (alt classes in this case) by doing entirely different things. Level one character through quests / main story, another through sidequests, yet another through dungeons / guildhests, one through pvp (when available), etc etc. Right now the options just aren't there.

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Originally Posted by gintoki88

you should be more clearer, you mean the first time bonus exp you get from each guildhests for doing them the first time

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Which is the only thing that makes guildhests worth doing in the first place.

If the zone is dead and you can't fate grind, use the search ability, /sea whm 18 or w/e and ask people if they want to EXP Grind. Find yourself 7 people somewhere in the world and level up with them. Or grind leve's / dungeons until you get through that span.
Imo this game just needs to make the LFG system more intuitive so people know it exists and actually use it.

I miss the good ole EXP Flag from FFXI.....

People don't have to be in the zone to want to level, they might be in another zone. Or perhaps the zone that's active is not the one you are in. E.g. they could be in aleport still, or camp drybone area.

If people knew how to use the search command they would know that you can see where people are the heaviest zone wise for your level range and go level there.

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What happens when your game evens out and low level zones are empty?

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Since you pretty much pass through the first 15 levels easily with no help from others, this really shouldn't ever be an issue. If this were FFXI and it was still using traditional 6 man parties for leveling all the time, then I would be concerned. But it's a nonissue in this game (and if you can't solo lowbie fates that are appropriate for your level, you're doing something wrong- hell many low level fates practically win themselves)