Don't Tell Others How to Play Their Jobs

Hmmmm... My summoner usually goes something like this:
Bio II,
Miasma,
Lightning
Bio I (has the shortest duration ~equal to lightning, so i cast it last.)
Plop down a Blue DOT AE (forgot what its called atm)
maybe a Miasma II if I'm feeling frisky.

and then i just rotate through Ruin, Ruin II, Fester (got an 800-something crit one time =P), and any other fun spells i feel like using like pet abilities, raging strikes, Virus on a boss, ect. Rinse repeat.

Its not hard...

AND DON'T FORGET EYE FOR AN EYE . I use it all the time in groups, toss it on the tank in big pulls or on a boss. Its the BOMB

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Originally Posted by seekerofpower

My protect is better than yours, please stop overwriting mine.

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A protect casted by a none conj/whm or a conj/whm without the magic defense boost trait can not overwrite one cast by a conj/whm with the trait, the message "no effect" comes up when they try to do so.

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Originally Posted by Jermz

Plop down a Blue DOT AE (forgot what its called atm)

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Shadowflare.

This off topic a bit, but yesterday I noticed ruin 2 hitting for 10 damage more then ruin 1 every time I cast it. Going test some more today because we are either bugged or ruin 2 is getting more contribution suddenly.

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Originally Posted by Feidam

This off topic a bit, but yesterday I noticed ruin 2 hitting for 10 damage more then ruin 1 every time I cast it. Going test some more today because we are either bugged or ruin 2 is getting more contribution suddenly.

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They deal the same damage but remember it's a damage range, e.g. 110-150 there is a good chance your Ruin 1's were doing something like hitting the lower end of the range more than should have been due to random number generation while your Ruin II's hit the upper end more again due to random number generation.

Wait.. wut..? Serious? The cast time on Ruin 1 is the recast. You can recast it as soon as you're done casting the first one.. -.- This is why I hate people who rage at others giving them advice. If it's given in a friendly and constructive manner, it's probably at least worth checking out.

If you want to play how you want with no criticism ever, then stick to stuff that isn't group oriented. No one wants that guy in their group who has to be carried cause he refuses to improve himself.

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Originally Posted by FinagleABagel

Uhm, I don't mean to be rude but Ruin II + Energy is a SCHOLAR damage rotation. Summoner has such better rotation toolkits with Fester being just an absolute nuke if used properly.

Basically, both players were wrong....but seriously, it's worrisome that a level 50 Summoner doesn't even know how his/her own class works.

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This is what FATEs have done to this game. Sadly I've seen it as high up as Garuda HM so far. My roommate is a BLM and he watches me play sometimes and starts to cry when he sees other BLM he watches just spamming Fire III and nothing else.

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Originally Posted by Cairn

Let me guess, is she a new player with just one relic weapon?

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If you're right OMG what a noob. Who runs AK when they only have one relic weapon?

/insert facepalm pic here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arMtFxv7jlw

This is why MMO's are kind of crap anymore. Who seriously gives a damn if someone does 400-1,000 dmg less? Are people so "serious" in a game that they stop having fun in order to min/max it and yell at those who don't?
I'm starting to see why people dislike "hardcore" players.

Summoners are the Warcraft Huntards of FFXIV.

The real question is, why are so many Summoners bads? Like Superbad. Too much FATE griding?

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Originally Posted by Jamez82

This is why MMO's are kind of crap anymore. Who seriously gives a damn if someone does 400-1,000 dmg less? Are people so "serious" in a game that they stop having fun in order to min/max it and yell at those who don't?
I'm starting to see why people dislike "hardcore" players.

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All subjective

But yes, yes I care :p
What is important is that I don't expect the same when using Duty Finder as I would in a group of friends.

Players who expect more than the very minimal from Duty Finder only serve to frustrate themselves and then lash out at other players.

Like that will help

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Originally Posted by Jamez82

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Yeah MMOs are terrible now, because the "Casual" player population has skyrocketed and they all expect the "Hardcore" population to carry them and give them free progression/gear.

"Hardcore" = Puts time and effort into learning a class and playing it well.
"Casual" = Puts minimum amount of time into the game and expects everyone else to work harder to make up for their bad play.

This game is easy, anyone who can't spend 15 minutes on a guide post or accept constructive criticism should really stick to single player games. I will admit that some people do deliver "advice" in a mean way, but most of us "Hardcore" meanies do give nice and constructive criticism, if people don't accept it then it's their own fault for being ridiculed/excluded.

Just play the way you want OP screw what others think as long as you are not a tank or healer there really is no right or wrong way, play to have fun not to work. I play to have fun and if I run into a random retard that wants to be rude or mean I have a blank chat tab that sees no text so I dont have to read anything they say.

That's lovely. Just keep your fun away from me!

I guess you would be one of those

Elites are out in full force. There are ways to help people and what was done to the op is wrong. The game is full with super elites get use to it.

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Originally Posted by Kookie

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That's an extremely selfish way of thinking...even 1 DPS in a 4 man run can completely ruin the entire dungeon. So, you are saying "I refuse to take any advice or criticism at the cost of mine and other peoples time and effort." I would also assume that "Play to have fun" includes dungeons to be clean and smooth, players who stand in red circles and do less dps than the tank tend to make things not clean and smooth, hence you are not having fun due to lack of performance. I'm fine with people having fun when they play, and they should, but for MMOs fun assumes competence, if you don't have fun being a good player than play single player games where you won't piss people off.

This is great, OP is clearly wrong in his post yet there are still white knighting casuals coming to his defense. If you want to know what is wrong with the community and why there is a rift between the elite and the new, the teachers and the students, this is why. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. Even in such a clear example such as this, new players will somehow come up with a reason to justify their actions.

No wonder why the general public has trouble with Titan HM.

I had the same thing happen to me in Wanderers Palace! some IDIOT archer from the very start trying to tell me "as I'm a tank, to plz be on shield oath (I replied -"don't be pushy") and the reply to that was (I have to be to get this & this) Whatever, I did just fine the way I was (without being carried!).

after that this person proceeded to run way ahead of every one else and do his own pulls regardless of where everyone else was, aaand-
on the last boss (Tonberry King) we wiped thrice and then beat it (my and one others first time as well)-though I studied and watched videos prior-so Ton King has sliver of health left and this IDIOT pulls agro on him and kites him all over hell as I had full health and was about two hits away from win (Really looked like an immature IDIOT with the boss chasing him around like that!)

Of course that display was typical of how this immature Idiot ran the whole dungeon, and then insulted me at the end- (I Reported his ass and 1 other for harassment "with details").

I'll be telling you if your performance hinders my group. Simple as that.

While I generally agree with you "Don't tell other people how to play their jobs", you have to remember, this isn't a one class per person game. Many people, including myself, have multiple level 50s. I myself have 50 Paladin and 50 Warrior. E.g. I was in titan hm in DF because my Warrior needs it and the pld in there was losing hate so I gave him advice on rotation. That's not because I think I'm awesome, but because I have a paladin too, and I don't lose hate on Titan on either.

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Originally Posted by SKOOBY

I had the same thing happen to me in Wanderers Palace! some IDIOT archer from the very start trying to tell me "as I'm a tank, to plz be on shield oath (I replied -"don't be pushy") and the reply to that was (I have to be to get this & this) Whatever, I did just fine the way I was (without being carried!).

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Unless you highly overgear the content you're doing (and it doesn't look like you do), not using Shield Oath is sort of rude to the rest of your group. Shield Oath makes you take less damage and hold hate better, in exchange for less DPS, and DPS isn't your primary job in the first place.

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Originally Posted by SKOOBY

I had the same thing happen to me in Wanderers Palace! some IDIOT archer from the very start trying to tell me "as I'm a tank, to plz be on shield oath (I replied -"don't be pushy") and the reply to that was (I have to be to get this & this) Whatever, I did just fine the way I was (without being carried!).

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I'd call you an idiot as well. You are freaking tank, use your tanking skills.

What you did was extremely selfish, served no purpose, and forced your healer to carry you. Stay on Phoenix please, we don't need more of your kind in Midgard.

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Originally Posted by Horg

Yeah MMOs are terrible now, because the "Casual" player population has skyrocketed and they all expect the "Hardcore" population to carry them and give them free progression/gear.

"Hardcore" = Puts time and effort into learning a class and playing it well.
"Casual" = Puts minimum amount of time into the game and expects everyone else to work harder to make up for their bad play.

This game is easy, anyone who can't spend 15 minutes on a guide post or accept constructive criticism should really stick to single player games. I will admit that some people do deliver "advice" in a mean way, but most of us "Hardcore" meanies do give nice and constructive criticism, if people don't accept it then it's their own fault for being ridiculed/excluded.

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The only real difference between hardcore and casual is time spent. A casual player can understand the game as much any hardcore.

There are people who don't know how to play in both camps.

My plan was to goto "shield oath on the boss's and inbetween to have the "power", to take care of mobs quickly-Now-IS THAT A BAD IDEA!? BEING THE PART HAS GOT THAT BIG T-BERRY ON THEM?

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Originally Posted by SKOOBY

My plan was to goto "shield oath on the boss's and inbetween to have the "power", to take care of mobs quickly-Now-IS THAT A BAD IDEA!? BEING THE PART HAS GOT THAT BIG T-BERRY ON THEM?

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If you ever lost hate on something, then quite possibly yes. Hate control is actually more demanding on trash than on bosses, usually.

In a good group where everyone attacks the proper targets and you have a skilled tank, it doesn't matter and you can probably use Sword Oath, but in a Duty Finder group...I'd probably never risk it.

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Originally Posted by SKOOBY

My plan was to goto "shield oath on the boss's and inbetween to have the "power", to take care of mobs quickly-Now-IS THAT A BAD IDEA!? BEING THE PART HAS GOT THAT BIG T-BERRY ON THEM?

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Your a tank. A PALADIN tank no less. Your DPS is less handy than my DPS as a scholar. There is one boss in the game where it's reasonable to go into Sword Oath - Demon Wall....who has no aggro mechanic.

To answer your question, yeah it's a bad idea and you are a bad tank.

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Originally Posted by SKOOBY

My plan was to goto "shield oath on the boss's and inbetween to have the "power", to take care of mobs quickly-Now-IS THAT A BAD IDEA!? BEING THE PART HAS GOT THAT BIG T-BERRY ON THEM?

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Considering it barely gives you ANY power, yes. It only increases your Auto Attack damage, nothing more. Does nothing for the rest of your skills.

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Originally Posted by SKOOBY

IN REPLY TO FIKLE BAGEL-I'VE GOT PLATINUM IN DARK SOULS-(REMEMBER THE GAME YOU GAVE UP ON????)

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What does that have to do with FFXIV tanking? Also, why do I care about Dark Souls again?

Note: Your caps lock key seems to be stuck.

Reply to Ispano- Thats wrong- Isee the kill rate,speed ect-youre just throwing that bull out there

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Originally Posted by RyuujinZERO

Your maths is wrong, and he is right.

Ruin 1 has a 2.45 cast time, and no cooldown. Ruin 2 has no cast time, but a 2.45 cooldown. They both do the same DPS but their attacks are rear and front loaded respectively. To all intents and purposes they yield identical damage output, but ruin 2 also inflict blindness and costs slightly more MP. Due to aetherflow restrictions, both fester AND energy drain can be cast 3 times per minute, and fester does infinitely more damage than energy drain (Up to 400 potency - Bio + Bio II + Miasma + Miasma 2 - Vs 150 for energy drain)

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What? Miasma 2 isn't counted in the potency of Fester. Only Bio + Bio 2 + Miasma I which is 300 potency not 400.

REPLY TO FICKLE-HAAA, YOU DID GIVE UP ON IT I CAN TELL BY YOUR ONE TRACK PUSHY ATTITUDE(YUP-LETS JUST FORGET THAT ONE)

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Originally Posted by SKOOBY

Reply to Ispano- Thats wrong- Isee the kill rate,speed ect-youre just throwing that bull out there

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I knew it worked this way prior, it even SAYS it works that way. But you know, I tested it prior to posting my original reply. I doesn't affect your skills at all. All it does is give you two damage numbers with your auto attack. The second being weaker than the first. 20% Damage Reduction and 20% Enmity Gain is far superior to that unless you're solo.

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Originally Posted by SKOOBY

REPLY TO FICKLE-HAAA, YOU DID GIVE UP ON IT I CAN TELL BY YOUR ONE TRACK PUSHY ATTITUDE(YUP-LETS JUST FORGET THAT ONE)

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To be totally honest, I never played it. Again, how is that even close to relevant?

If I see a BLM casting Flare with full mp and under the effect of umbral ice, you're gonna hear about it. Sorry, dems the rules.

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Originally Posted by ispano

I knew it worked this way prior, it even SAYS it works that way. But you know, I tested it prior to posting my original reply. I doesn't affect your skills at all. All it does is give you two damage numbers with your auto attack. The second being weaker than the first. 20% Damage Reduction and 20% Enmity Gain is far superior to that unless you're solo.

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Actually the tooltip says "Increases the potency of auto-attacks by 50." That is all Sword Oath does.

REPLY TO F,B- I'VE CLEARED EVERY FF TITLE SINCE (1)ALSO EXCEPTING 11, SO I KNOW FF MECHANICS AND FIGURING OUT AN MMO DOESNT TAKE A GENIUS(LIKE YOU MUST THINK YOU ARE) AND YOU DONT USE YOUR CAPS ENOUGH-

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Originally Posted by SKOOBY

REPLY TO F,B- I'VE CLEARED EVERY FF TITLE SINCE (1)ALSO EXCEPTING 11, SO I KNOW FF MECHANICS AND FIGURING OUT AN MMO DOESNT TAKE A GENIUS(LIKE YOU MUST THINK YOU ARE) AND YOU DONT USE YOUR CAPS ENOUGH-

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Yet you clearly got Sword Oath wrong...

Come on dude, if you are trolling it isn't very good or amusing.

Also, you don't think FFXI is a bit more relevant to this game than every other FF console game?