At this point in the game, "rushing" is not a valid argument.

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Originally Posted by Dorfentyme

Can the white knights...

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Stopped reading here.

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Originally Posted by Nichigo

...so without doing the 100k FATE that pops every HOUR and fates that pop sporadically, you were able to make 6,000 XP per minute? (550000 ish xp to get from 49-50 divided by 90 minutes).

Tell me your secrets.


...otherwise, stop exaggerating just to make a point for your useless rant. I've been playing since Early Access and I got my FIRST CLASS to level 50 this past Saturday. I play every day for at least 3-4 hours. Getting to 50 CAN be fast, but you still have to be pretty vested/focused to get there in the amount of time you're claiming.

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I've never even done that FATE. I heard it's called Dark Devices, and that its in Northern Thanalan. Never once did a single FATE in Northern Thanalan. I hit 50 in Mor Dhona.

I already posted how I hit 49-50 in less than 2 hours. You should try it on your main when you can. It won't work on alts, but it works for your main job. Have fun. You'll see how easy 49-50 was.

So, no exaggerating was done. In fact, I was on vent while doing it, and my friends thought it was pretty funny how fast the level went. They were waiting on me to do WP.

Deciding to play a main job and follow your main/side quests, and do an occassional dungeon can EASILY get someone to 50 in 3-4 hours a day in a couple weeks. In the math I posted with my playtimes throughout the week, that's how I did it. Stop pretending that people are rushing just because they chose to focus on a single job(and want to level their other jobs later when they are tired of their current one)

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Originally Posted by Dorfentyme

I really don't know how you're taking that long to level in the 40s. 12 leves (at about 3 minutes a piece) gave me half a level at 46. If there was a FATE in the vicinity, I would stop and do it. But I mean ONLY if it was REALLY close to where my leves were.

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Lvl 40 leves in Dragonhead give around 7K exp each. Going from 42 to 43 is 350,000.

I don't know what game you're playing, but it sure isn't the same I'm playing.

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Originally Posted by SirSchmoopyofAwesometon

I didn't know FFXIV was a woman.

If she is a she, that's cool.

Because the term "White Knight" is used for when a guy will defend a woman no matter what.

Sooo.

How big are FFXiV's boobs?

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Quite BIG, thats why everyone and their mommans are playing this game even with ALL the complains.

But to stick with the topic... Welcome to the modern MMOs Dorfentyme. Most MMOs these days are like that.... people get to max level in a few weeks, and ALL of them have grinding fest for items at End Game.

I mostly agree with OP other than the "casual questing" comment. I would consider myself "casual" at this point in my life (have time to play maybe 10-15 hours a week) and I just dinged 50 a couple days ago (on 1 job)...and I was open beta/early access.

You cannot tell me that any single definition of the word casual represents anyone who can get from 0-50 in 1 week of playing, period. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by Dorfentyme

If you do leves, gathering is fast. If you don't, its slow. Same with just grinding mobs to level. If you grind mobs, its slow. If you do quests, its extremely fast.


Goodness the fanboys. Don't you understand that its okay to love something/someone and still see the flaws? That's relationship 101 right there.

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Nope..my leves are for DoH. DoL I do to get ingreds for DoH. Plus making many money on excess. Spend alot of time playing the auction too to prepare for my large house. Not a fanboy whatever that is? First FF game I've played. Came from a long line of MMOs....starting with Ultima Online. Just like sandbox and enjoying myself. Yep enjoy real life too...but play the game to escape the stress of real life.

I used to give a shiat about whiners but then i went back to having fun.

even playing 2-4 hours a day at best, my friend is at the end of coil now.

He must have rushed endgame!

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even playing 2-4 hours a day at best, my friend is at the end of coil now.

He must have rushed endgame!

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Sadly, people can say "anything" to make it seem like it's the truth :P.

"I got 50 in 1 week!" When I play 4-6 hours a day and I only have 37 ACN (before I stopped to do other classes), and that took me 2 weeks.

Not sure how some of these people do it, when I'm doing the exact same things they are doing. I must be doing something wrong >.<.

Casual questing will not hit 50 in a week. I don't think you know what casual means.

I don't understand why all this QQing.

If you're unhappy with endgame content/speed atm then stop playing.
I myself don't stop at lvl50, I've farmed my Darlight set and am now doing my Relic weapon quest, while also farming my af2 and after that I'll do a second job to lvl50 farm af2 on it too.

While I'm doing that I'm also lving my craft and gathering.

I'm far from done, so yeah there is allot to do.
Those who ding lvl50 and cry because it was too fast can go play slower leveling games imo.

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Originally Posted by Dorfentyme

CASUAL questing you can be max level in a week .

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People who lack any sense of time when they talk about levels make me rage

It makes me really annoyed because I level slow and I play casually and people are talking like they're just "derpderping" through levels but if you do some simple calculations you realize it's wrong.

I took time, I skipped all quest text and rushed directly towards each location. At level 38 it took me 12 minutes to take 1/4 of my level. So rushing as fast as I can with quests, that would be 48 minutes for 1 level. So I were to play casually for 3 hours a day for one week there is no way I'd end up level 1-50. And still, this is rushed. Not taking into account chatting, looking up the map, the 5 hours you'd have at least have to spend in story dungeons, reading quests/story.

Claim that you can "casually" achieve your first job to 50 in a week and you manage to upset me unlike anything else on a mmorpg forum.

I admit that I rushed my first class to 50. I played nonstop for several days sleeping till very late and getting early in the morning to play before work. Yet I watched all the cutscenes, read all the text from every quest. Did some fates but not to many, I mostly did dungeons because I wanted to get all the gear from each dungeon. two weeks in the game I was lvl 50 (even counting days I couldn't play).

Would I do it again? totally. Am I bored? hell no! I still need to get garuda/titan hms and need 3 more pieces of darklight.

I have been slacking though, I haven't ran a CM or amdapor in about a week. I have to keep on gearing up

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Originally Posted by Dorfentyme

-Gathering and crafting can be leveled very fast too. Just do leves and HQ turn-ins.

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Wrong, Gathering does not have a HQ leve return in. Also Gathering is the slowest class to level in the game atm

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Originally Posted by LoLo

Wrong, Gathering does not have a HQ leve return in. Also Gathering is the slowest class to level in the game atm

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Not if he is referring to fishing as the gathering class.

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Originally Posted by Amberion

Not if he is referring to fishing as the gathering class.

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Never tried that class thanks for informing.

OP has one level 50 class. and a few classes under 30 which blacksmith at level 28 as the highest after Gladiator. So I think the OP hasn't experienced enough of the game to even argue this topic.

Well here's something for you.

The first version of this game failed hard. This is basically a reboot. Would you seriously include a 500 hours worth of content into a game reboot knowing how bad the first version did?

This was the trial basically. Square was unsure if the game would prosper or fail, so they were cautious. No big deal honestly. 2.1 hits next month, 2.2 not to long after that, and then 2.3. The fact that the game hasn't gone down the crapper is a good sign, so expect stuff in each update. Who knows, the first real expansion may hit sooner then we think.

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Originally Posted by LoLo

Wrong, Gathering does not have a HQ leve return in. Also Gathering is the slowest class to level in the game atm

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I never said that gathering had HQ turn-ins...did I?

But then again, doesn't fishing?

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Originally Posted by LoLo

Never tried that class thanks for informing.

OP has one level 50 class. and a few classes under 30 which blacksmith at level 28 as the highest after Gladiator. So I think the OP hasn't experienced enough of the game to even argue this topic.

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Wait, I can't argue a topic that people have posted dozens of guides on how to hit 1-50 in a matter of a day or 2 for tradecraft leves? Just google it. It's there. Doesn't mean the point isn't valid.

Let's not forget that I do have every right to discuss the content that I have done. Such as...1-50? It was quick. Too quick. There was no rushing involved. I even took my time. I'm a very casual player.

Some people play faster, do things faster, etc. Some people can navigate menus, read maps, multi-task and it makes others look slow at what they are doing. This doesn't make them rushers.

I guess it's fine to rush if you want to, but if you want to start raiding you will have to wait for people to become capped and gear up.
Also, WoW takes about 4-5 days to go from level 1 to 90(cap). I am glad that this game is a slower pace (but not terribly slow) and more of a challenge.

The story quests have a pathetic amount of fetch quests, sometimes like 10 in a row, thats just running and teleporting. A gold dump.

Braindead, and quests have no variety. The leveling content is just bad.

I may have 3 lvl 50 classes now but I'm still working on leveling the others.

The game is not all about having that 1 lvl 50 class and you're set for the entire game.

There are crafting, gathering, and getting cross-skills.

Also I'm leveling the other classes to lvl 30 for the cross-skills

currently level my Gladiator to lvl 50 since I'm interested in seeing what Job they will give Gladiator as its 2nd job.

Paladin is nice but Tanking has never been my thing.

leveling the other DoW and DoM is a good way to prepare for the future 2nd Jobs Gladiator, Marauder, Conjurer, Lancer, Archer, Pugilist and Thaumaturge will be getting later.

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Wait, I can't argue a topic that people have posted dozens of guides on how to hit 1-50 in a matter of a day or 2 for tradecraft leves? Just google it. It's there. Doesn't mean the point isn't valid.

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When people get on someone for "Rushing to end game." They're talking about the people who hit 50 and have full set of DL gear, relic + 1, and are already doing coils claiming "There's nothing left to do." None of it is about the leveling process. The leveling process is 100% irrelevant. It's about how much content there is in the game and someone who only plays 2-3 hours a day or 15 hours a week.. they are not in tier 5 with a +1 relic weapon.

casuals are varying, there are people who can only play 1 hour a day
i consider myself a casual, even though i can play 4 hours daily and 10+ hours on the weekend
the first point of OP is very describing me, i hit 50 within 2 weeks by doing quests and some fates along the way

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Originally Posted by texhnolyze

casuals are varying, there are people who can only play 1 hour a day
i consider myself a casual, even though i can play 4 hours daily and 10+ hours on the weekend
the first point of OP is very describing me, i hit 50 within 2 weeks by doing quests and some fates along the way

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You are not casual.

Edit: There is actually a massive grey area between hardcore and casual. I believe you are there somewhere in the middle.

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Originally Posted by HurtigeKarl

You are not casual.

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okay, that explains it then lol
perhaps semi casual?
because i believe the hardcores capped their first class within 2-3 days

hq crafting does make is easier, but not everyone can just hq craft to level up, unless you are gathering only hq mats and htat takes a while or you are dropping a lot of money on the wards...

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You are not casual.

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Casual is being used as a VERY broad term.

Casual, today, means any of these things:
- You play 2-24 hours a week
- You LITERALLY stop to smell the roses or watch the sunsets ingame(someone in this very thread said that, too)
- You are terrible at the game
- You have no desire to better yourself
- You hate PvP
- You want everything handed to you easily
- You don't like to do dungeons or end game content
- You don't devote your life to the game

A casual is any of the above. This isn't about who is casual and who is not. All those people can be considered casuals, and they ARE considered casuals. Texhnolyze IS a casual. That's certainly not hardcore.

Note: I do not believe a casual is someone who is bad at the game. This post is merely to point out that casual is thrown out with ANY of the definitions listed above.

um I been playing since Phase 4 on this char. I'm still not even maxed level. So it is possible to not rush. I spend a lot of time RPing, and even leveling a few alts. I'm not interested in end game, so I'm in no hurry to get there. So it's most definitely possible to not rush.

OP totally not understanding the game. This is The Sim, final fantasy version. If you treat it like WOW or any combat oriented game, you are dead wrong.
Look at the patch 2.1...Housing is the next big thing.

I bet the patch 2.2 will introduce Ikea furniture, Shopping mall and virtual chocobo farming.

What is End game? It just beginning of virtual life here.

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um I been playing since Phase 4 on this char. I'm still not even maxed level. So it is possible to not rush. I spend a lot of time RPing, and even leveling a few alts. I'm not interested in end game, so I'm in no hurry to get there. So it's most definitely possible to not rush.

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I've got three alts now each with three classes at or above level 15. I've worked on most DoH classes on this character, carpentry and DoL stuff on another. I've spent a lot of time running around screenshotting. A good chunk of my playtime has been spent roleplaying. I play ARR in the evenings, everywhere from 1 hour to 4 or 5 hours at a time, and sometimes not at all. Sometimes I decide to take my game time to Rift instead. And still I have a job at 50 with side classes leveled for cross-class abilities. I did not rush at all.

Dont consider myself a casual player. cause I play about 4hrs after work everyday when I can and all day Saturdays. Got cnj and brd level50 and a 41 blm. Wish i would have focused more on gear farming soon as my whm got 50 but I immediately switch to arc and started the grind. Saved many of the 48-50 quest for brd cause they give 13k or more exp, and would have been wasted on whm since you dont get exp on level 50 classes. Level 30 bnt 33 ltw 29 fisher level 15-20 on other DOM DOW classes. The leveling is super fast Took four months to get one class to 75 in FFXI. My only real regret about my leveling progress is that I didnt farm a full set of dark light and a relic soon as I hit 50. That end game content is enjoyable to me even after the 100th time doing it. Now the problem is that the so called casuals are showing up at end game gimp as shit and all the so called rushers are in full DL with relics. So now Im stuck dealing with the new 50s still wearing level 40 gear from dragon head trying to run 50 content. Im either over geared and suffering with weaker people or under geared and getting shunned by stronger people. Damn should have started brd relic 2 weeks ago. whm is fine with garuda weapon for now and I can almost get my first piece of af2. That damn DL bow i got in wonders palace is too weak and ifrit garuda hate my bard. Lucky me I have 5 linkshells and a good FC to hang with. So Ill get that stuff eventually but I want it now lol.

So after reading this thread...

The only people who aren't max level are actively trying to not hit max level, so that they can come post in these threads on the forums saying "I'm not max level! You should take your time and stare at the mountains/sunsets for HOURS!"
Or they just role play.

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Originally Posted by Jayded

One month for first toon to 50 is like 15 minutes of play per day.

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So...15*31/60=7.75 hours.

Wow. You could get from 1 to 50 in 7.75 hours?

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Originally Posted by Dorfentyme

Casual is being used as a VERY broad term.

Casual, today, means any of these things:
- You play 2-24 hours a week
- You LITERALLY stop to smell the roses or watch the sunsets ingame(someone in this very thread said that, too)
- You are terrible at the game
- You have no desire to better yourself
- You hate PvP
- You want everything handed to you easily
- You don't like to do dungeons or end game content
- You don't devote your life to the game

A casual is any of the above. This isn't about who is casual and who is not. All those people can be considered casuals, and they ARE considered casuals. Texhnolyze IS a casual. That's certainly not hardcore.

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Casual gets used far to often, but it also has to be taken in context. When talking about leveling, generally casual is amount of time spent playing, since being good or bad at the game doesn't really effect easy quests or fate grinding, nor does half the other stuff on your list. 40 hours a week is a job, 40 hours a week of playing a game is not casual, no matter what other ways you want to describe casual.

I consider myself casual even though the only things that apply to me is I don't devote my life to the game and I don't have as much play time as past MMOs where I have done hardcore raiding. I CAN play for 8-10 hours straight, I just don't usually get the time. Instead I usually have about 2-3 days a week of 2-3 hours and maybe 1 day a week of 4-5 hours.

That said, I have managed to get a 50, although that was just this weekend. I spent a lot of time cross leveling. My lowest class is 10, all my crafting classes are over 15, my gathering classes are all mid 20s. Even though I have a desire to improve my character and enjoy things like dungeons, I still have not felt the need to zerg endgame with one class and then whine about lack of content (though I have been tempted to whine about dungeon queues -_-). Now that I have a 50, I am having trouble deciding what to do, not because I'm out of content, but because I want to do so much. I want to level at least 3 other combat classes to 50, though probably more, and I'm trying to decide the order. I want to level most of the crafting classes to 50, probably all, and again, I have to figure out the order, and I want to cap my gathering classes. Other popular games like WoW didn't have 8 billion raids at launch. There was 1 real raid and 1 single boss raid and you had to run the same dungeons over and over for your set pieces or a good weapon that may not drop. Here there are a few dungeons to grind for tokens so you are guaranteed to get what you want (just no lucky first run drops) and you got HM primals (single boss raids) plus a real raid. First patch is adding another.

They made leveling fairly easy, because many people don't like it. You have the choice to rush one up and feel bored, but this is decent launch content with more on the way.

I got the game at launch, though was unable to log in until the 2nd. So i've been playing for over a month now and i'm sitting at 45 Scholar, 43 Alchemist, 20 Conjurer (which I am currently trying to get to 34 for Stoneskin).

I play for a few hours every day. Make pretty good progress in story, I play my class very well I believe(btw, complimenting your healer really does make us feel all warm and fuzzy.), but it'll probably be another several days before I hit cap. Unlike some people, I can't afford to play so much that I hit cap in a week, or if I did it would be at the expense of leveling other classes, crafting, and doing dungeons. The only way I could be 50 right now is if I grinded Fates, which is thus far my least favorite thing about this game.

Well even though I managed to hit LVL 50 and I am casual, I really don't throw a temper tantrum if someone else ISN'T 50.

What you don't think is rushing may very well be rushing for someone else.

I would also like to point out that while I see hundreds of posts about endgame raging, having nothing to do, having already leveled all jobs, not having the best gear making you mad, game sucking etc. ... there is one group of people who doesn't have this issue, feel happy, and have things to do every single day. Us casuals. :)

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Originally Posted by IMStarbuck

OP totally not understanding the game. This is The Sim, final fantasy version. If you treat it like WOW or any combat oriented game, you are dead wrong.
Look at the patch 2.1...Housing is the next big thing.

I bet the patch 2.2 will introduce Ikea furniture, Shopping mall and virtual chocobo farming.

What is End game? It just beginning of virtual life here.

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You must be new to MMOs. This isn't meant as an insult, but your view of the game isn't entirely...accurate. Having a housing feature doesn't mean the game isn't combat oriented. If you're new to the MMO genre, then SANDBOX is what you may want to look into. Sandbox games can be played like Sims, but not this game.

You know what, since you told me I'm "dead wrong" about my view of this game, I guess its okay to say that you're pretty wrong too. In fact, your description of the game couldn't be further from the truth. What FF game isn't about combat? Out of the entire MMO genre, how many MMOs are not based around their combat system?

You do realize a lot of MMOs have player housing right? Doesn't make it the Sims. That description couldn't be more wrong.

Did you play FFXI? It had housing. It has more fluff features than this game currently has(as it should, it's been out longer), but do you see people calling it Sims Final Fantasy Version? No, they don't. Because that'd be silly. I'd love to see or hear ANYWHERE a dev said this is supposed to be Sims Final Fantasy Version. They didn't. They would've been laughed off the stage at any of the conventions they were showcasing the game. The only person who isn't understanding the game, is you bud. Welcome to the MMO genre. I hope you enjoy your stay.

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Well even though I managed to hit LVL 50 and I am casual, I really don't throw a temper tantrum if someone else ISN'T 50.

What you don't think is rushing may very well be rushing for someone else.

I would also like to point out that while I see hundreds of posts about endgame raging, having nothing to do, having already leveled all jobs, not having the best gear making you mad, game sucking etc. ... there is one group of people who doesn't have this issue, feel happy, and have things to do every single day. Us casuals. :)

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You're implying only the hardcore have issues with endgame.

Here's the point:
Not everyone wants to level all the jobs to 50 from day 1. Guess what? I want to play my paladin for a few months, THEN move on to a new class. Maybe play that a couple months. To make the game last longer. Forcing myself to NOT play is the only way to make the game last longer, and that doesn't give Square any more money.

Again, it doesn't seem you're aware of what a casual is. Plenty of "casuals" are at endgame. Doesn't make the argument any less valid. Also, just because someone thinks a game sucks, doesn't mean they can't be a casual.

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Originally Posted by Daays

The only people who aren't max level are actively trying to not hit max level, so that they can come post in these threads on the forums saying "I'm not max level! You should take your time and stare at the mountains/sunsets for HOURS!"
Or they just role play.

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I am not actively trying to not reach level 50. However, I prefer to craft my own HQ equipment and also to gather and monster farm my own materials. For example, it took me ages to select a proper armour set to be able to farm HQ coral buterflies for HQ fish glue for my hammer. After all, I almost never could get HQ from NQ materials at the time.

Technically, unless you have all classes at level 50, then you're NOT max level in this game.

And if we want to involve semantics, no one is max level, as characters have no level, the classes do.

:P

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The only people who aren't max level are actively trying to not hit max level, so that they can come post in these threads on the forums saying "I'm not max level! You should take your time and stare at the mountains/sunsets for HOURS!"
Or they just role play.

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Or doing other activities.
My fisher is my only max level at the moment as I enjoy gathering, I don't RP, I don't sit still to the sun rise but neither am I in a hurry to get all gear and max out at everything fast.

First I want to orientate myself on which classes I enjoy playing before I pick one to focus on, but I also want to do that thoroughly.
Make sure which cross class skills I can use, and which are useful for that class, have a good starter kit ready gear wise at level 50, for which the easiest path without relying on third parties is gathering and crafting everything myself.

I don't want to end up like a lot of other people that have one class at 50 and maybe a subclass at 15 because they needed that to unlock a job only to plunge themsleves into endgame completely and end up bored because they reach their tokens cap for the week on tuesday and can't progress further because they can't produce enough DPS to beat the actual hard content no matter how well geared they are.
I'm not saying you are one of them, but look a few of the big mouthed characters up on the Loadstone and prepare to have a chuckle or a cringe, whichever catches your fancy.

I paid ahead for this game for 180 days, I don't need to have everything done last week, CM and AK will still be there in a few months and perhaps some alternative locations as well.