Summoners useless in 24mans?

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Originally Posted by JayCommon

Ridiculous limitation?

Idk but 30 separate DoTs happening to a mob at the same does not sound like that ridiculous of a limitation to me.

To each his/her own, though.

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crystal tower.

24 people

as a paladin i can place 3 debuffs on bosses myself, as a monk another 3, as a dragoon 4, as a summoner there's 5-6, and bard and blm dps would suffer quite a bit without their dots applied

basically in crystal tower, summoner's just won't do damage to any boss where all 3 parties meet up

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Originally Posted by JayCommon

Ridiculous limitation?

Idk but 30 separate DoTs happening to a mob at the same does not sound like that ridiculous of a limitation to me.

To each his/her own, though.

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24 man means everyone can only have 1.25 debuffs on enemy. And debuffs are not only dots. Dragoons have 2-3 debuffs pending fracture use. They also have a slow that applies a debuff so maybe 4. Many jobs have more than one debuff so a boss will be capped too easily in a 24 man environment.

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Originally Posted by Ignnis

Gw2 has a retarded limitation, I main necro, I know the feels. On this though its much better. Ofc there needs to be a limitation because the servers can't handle it. Just as a heads up I main summoner in this and I have not run into this issue yet except in massive fates and if there's that many people at a fate I highly doubt my dots are a major concern for maximum dps.

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Because fates are the only content bigger than 8 people. wait until there is content designed to be difficulty for 24 people, and the smn's are unable to keep their dots up in a situation where it will matter.

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Originally Posted by Catapult

you may want to re-optimise your alliance with other jobs.

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You are aware most jobs inflict a multitude of status effects a well right?

They mentioned that the three parties will be separated for the most time in Crystal Tower, only meeting for bosses maybe and such? Might be their way around this, lol :p

Won't do damage... Sure, not like summoner has summons to deal damage with or anything...

Don't get me wrong I've nothing against the idea of removing the DoT cap but I think some people are overreacting.

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Originally Posted by JayCommon

Ridiculous limitation?

Idk but 30 separate DoTs happening to a mob at the same does not sound like that ridiculous of a limitation to me.

To each his/her own, though.

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It actually does when you are dealing with 24 people in a raid, unless SE have made content that splits the group up or has multiple mobs it is pretty limiting.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

Won't do damage... Sure, not like summoner has summons to deal damage with or anything...

Don't get me wrong I've nothing against the idea of removing the DoT cap but I think some people are overreacting.

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You are missing the point, have you played a SMN yet ?

70% of their damage comes from dots, you take that away and SMNs are no longer wanted for 24 man content.

As others have mentioned almost ever class has a debuff of some kind and it effects all of these from posion to blind, so slow, DoT, everything, and I'm not even sure if this is taking into effect monsters own buffs on top of that.

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Originally Posted by Ignnis

Gw2 has a retarded limitation, I main necro, I know the feels. On this though its much better. Ofc there needs to be a limitation because the servers can't handle it. Just as a heads up I main summoner in this and I have not run into this issue yet except in massive fates and if there's that many people at a fate I highly doubt my dots are a major concern for maximum dps.

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FATEs aren't balanced for 24 people and only 24 people though, unlike crystal tower, perhaps they have taken this into account though when making these boss fights, but all I see from this is we don't want SMN because their damage sucks and it will be through no fault of their own.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

Won't do damage... Sure, not like summoner has summons to deal damage with or anything...

Don't get me wrong I've nothing against the idea of removing the DoT cap but I think some people are overreacting.

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All of summoners main damage comes from DOT you kill that their damage goes down the drain. So they will not have a place in 24 mans if summmoner was actually a pet class and got most of the damage from their pets we would not be having this issue(yes I am upset at summoner being a dot class)

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

Won't do damage... Sure, not like summoner has summons to deal damage with or anything...

Don't get me wrong I've nothing against the idea of removing the DoT cap but I think some people are overreacting.

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sure they can DO damage, but you are losing a hefty percentage of your output. it would be like a pld tanking without a shield; sure he is still a tank, but he isnt doing his job as well as designed

Or a healer that cannot heal because there are already 24 other actions taking place in the raid.