Dragoons and the future of jump ability's.

Simply use it just after a special attack and you'll never get screwed when jumping :P
Jump, with Power Surge, has the same potency than Full Thrust. It's not the best skill we have, but can be handy (for instance, demon wall or when you know you won't be able to avoid an AOE : it temporarily moves your position, so if used correctly, you'll avoid it.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

@chaozk: if you land in a red zone is your fault.

the fact to jump, make you unable to control your character since you fly outside of area. then get invincible must be normal. you are outside the range of the attack after all, you litterally fly high in the sky before land. we still take risk at our landing, but while the jump we must be invincible.

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Hmm i am not sure if i agree with that. Most AOEs arent so fast that when you jump and there was no red, they pop up so quickly that they hit you in the airborne part of the animation - they are slower, so when you get hit by a surprise AOE, it will hit you 90% of the time in the landing part of the animation, unless you are really just derping and jumped after the red appeared.

Of course there are general workarounds like Alenore mentioned, only jumping directly after an AOE attack seems to be the only save way atm but on the other hand designing the core mechanic of a class to be a workaround is questionable in my eyes.

Jump can be a little difficult to use during boss fights due to returning you to original position (if you are using from max distance). You want to get back into the fight quickly as possible. So followed with spin shatter dive gets you right back in quickly.

Currently i just use jump inbetween combos only when it is safe to use like right after aoe's and such go off so i dont have to worry about being stuck in red. But invulnerability/position mid jump would be nice!

Different jumps should have different landing positions, perhaps one you remain next to the enemy and one far from him.

Well if you use Jump pwhen you're far from the target, you'll return far from the target.
Now, Spineshatter/Dragonfire Dive will make you land next to the target.

The thing I hate about jumps is that even initiating a jump before the aoe zone appears, i've been hit by the aoe because I don't get to my return position fast enough. Yes of course you should know when a boss is going to aoe, and sometimes you do - but other times they're unpredictable for the most part. Things like massive aoes that one shot you are almost always predictable, but fires on the ground tend to be less predictable but still damaging and gives the rest of the group the impression that you're a bad player because you took damage from a ground aoe when there was really nothing you could have done to avoid it since you were already in the air when the radius even appeared.

In all honesty this is a pretty big setback im glad to see im not the only one who thinks so, if dragoon is a class that was made for its jump ability why do all dragoons have to fear jumping?

in my opinion just like shield oath, this move is Broken.

It could have been worse; e.g - being a lancer in FFT where you jump and it takes 1 round which afterwards you find your target has moved to another square :3

I think the animation is fine, honestly. Even being returned to my original position is workable for me (demon wall, and I rarely use jump as max range unless I'm clumping targets together). However, Too many times have I jumped, and either the red lines or red circle of death of popped, and all I can think is "Crap. That's gonna hurt."

So, Invulnerability from the start of the animation to the end would be nice, and probably do more to allay the concerns of the Dragoons than most think.

Side Note: I don't think 'Jump' was ever intended to be a gap closer, but a filler. One of the reasons it's CD is only 40s.

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Originally Posted by Applekrumble

Definitely for this; or give invulnerabilities when in air.

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This right here. It's absolutely stupid I get rooted and still vulnerable to attacks.