I'm done with Titan.

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Originally Posted by makii

This is what you get with the FATE system. People are just zerging to lv 50 with no clue about how to play or how to gear.

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More to the point, this is what you get when it's easy to level and don't have iLvl requirements on dungeons.

Hopefully they get the server side lag sorted out. It can't help general latency when the servers are under stress. At least on my server, this is certainly the case during prime time.

Of course, lag aside, it's going to be hilarious hearing from the people who meet iLvl on dungeons and still fail due to lack of skill. :D

I hope they make this a mandatory i70 fight when they add that :/

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Originally Posted by Volcano

Because people always want a quick fix, alot of people refuse to do work and just want results. it's the reason why RMT will never go away because to many lazy, sad people buy gill that keeps them here. so leveling as fast as possible to 50 is something very common. it was the same way in FFXI and any MMO that gives the option, So with the FATE system it's an easy option to level without learning roles. as opposed to someone doing dungeons mainly because in the higher ones you HAVE to know your role to get through it.

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If only that were really the case :/

You really think those people that are in lv10+ gear know what they're doing to be helpful to a group in HM primal fights? I have no doubts that they know what they're doing to get people to carry them through it though, no matter the amount of tries it takes lol.

Seriously, they had to have progressed through all of the (mandatory) dungeons to get to where they are. So they had to have had some decent exposure to how to do things as a group, given the difficulty of the latter half of them. I'm pretty sure you (as well as the rest of us) wouldn't be very confident in how reliable they are for HM fights. This is why I mentioned that the FATE system is not to blame, it's the players themselves. There's no need to defend them.

All these Titan rage threads.. I guess I should count myself lucky. I am still gathering tombstones from AK and CM, and re training myself in DD and healing with DD. Tanking is next on the to do list.. and gathering.. and crafting... and stocking up on Lalafail souls, Cat pelts, Elezen organs...

Damnit need more time (>_<

I'm sure you already know this, but the plumes stack because people are stacking, that is the reason why. As you pointed out, one alone will not kill you; when people stack. The fight is (after the gear check) about positioning and a bit of coordination, as well as being on your game and understanding your class. You're right that FATE zerging does not teach you any of these things, but as mentioned, players should take it upon themselves to figure things out if they haven't already before even looking at doing Titan, much less the other primals.

I wish people would stop calling foul on the fight because they can't do it, or the group they're with can't do it. There are no promises that even a premade group will do Titan flawlessly, but it does give you a static group to work with IF everyone in the group doesn't give up after 3 attempts. The fight is fine; individuals may mess up (getting knocked off), but it is generally the larger portion of the group that does (stacking pools and trapping people), making it far harder.

I'm aware latency and the animation/casting bar bug/check-in system isn't great and makes Titan far worse, however in isolation the fight is fine, maybe a little hard and intense, but otherwise doable. The problem is either the infrastructure, which I think a lot of people agree on, or the player problem, where some people just aren't ready for the encounter (for whatever reason).

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Originally Posted by Austin

The question is... Why are you still using DF? By this point you're trying to get the best weapon in the game and don't have a group of people you group up with to do stuff on the same server? Tsk tsk

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I've never really been one to join clans or whatever, I've always been a solo player. I don't like to harass people by shouting..

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

You really think those people that are in lv10+ gear know what they're doing to be helpful to a group in HM primal fights? I have no doubts that they know what they're doing to get people to carry them through it though, no matter the amount of tries it takes lol.

Seriously, they had to have progressed through all of the (mandatory) dungeons to get to where they are. So they had to have had some decent exposure

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This may be the case if they took out the join a dungeon already in progress, but you are wrong. They don't have to know, they just have to get lucky. I joined one already in progress (story) where they were 1/2 through fighting the end boss. Got credit even though I didn't do anything since I was locked out of the fight

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Originally Posted by makii

This is what you get with the FATE system. People are just zerging to lv 50 with no clue about how to play or how to gear.

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The FATE system has nothing to do with how competent a player is at their individual class, people are simply scapegoating FATEs as the reason why there is so much incompetence among players, and you can't really knock people for doing FATEs to level when there is little to no incentive to do dungeons anyway.

I leveled my Bard to 50 doing FATEs, I've somehow managed to get a relic weapon and down Titan numerous times a day, but no I'm a terrible player because I leveled doing FATEs right?

titan himself isn't really the problem at all.
it's the induced 300ms server lag making it artificially more difficult than it really is

I can't count the number of people that have left groups thinking they are lagging out when that's just how it is

and really, asking people to learn to just deal with everything being 1/3 second out of sync with what your visually seeing is not something that most can cope with

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Originally Posted by Alish

The FATE system has nothing to do with how competent a player is at their individual class, people are simply scapegoating FATEs as the reason why there is so much incompetence among players

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I have to disagree on this. The FATE system does have something to do with it, it encourages player laziness which when they get to actual hard content, they can't deal with it. Every MMO has to be learned how to play properly and if you don't take the time to learn because of *easy* leveling, that is as much the players fault as it is the team that enabled everyone to do it IMO.