So i finished my PLD... After my WAR

Here is an analogy: PLD is driving an automatic. WAR is driving manual. Two different transmission styles, both get you where you want to go. PLD tanks make it easier for the skilled to push the content, heck even for the not so skilled, load up the minivan and drive the soccer kids to the game. A WAR requires the player to know when to shift, double-clutch, gear down, whatever... And that is a lot to ask from the gaming community in general.
Roll WAR, and expect to play the game on hard mode. If you are good at WAR, don't give up on it.
Really WAR and PLD are, and should be interchangeable, working together to achieve goals...

If the devs back WAR, that's good enough. 'cause face it, it's the devs...so they know.

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Envoyé par Wolfbite

Here is an analogy: PLD is driving an automatic. WAR is driving manual. Two different transmission styles, both get you where you want to go. PLD tanks make it easier for the skilled to push the content, heck even for the not so skilled, load up the minivan and drive the soccer kids to the game. A WAR requires the player to know when to shift, double-clutch, gear down, whatever... And that is a lot to ask from the gaming community in general.
Roll WAR, and expect to play the game on hard mode. If you are good at WAR, don't give up on it.
Really WAR and PLD are, and should be interchangeable, working together to achieve goals...

If the devs back WAR, that's good enough. 'cause face it, it's the devs...so they know.

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Its more like a single speed bike going up a steep hill vs a motorcycle.

Ive tanked just fine as a WAR up to Titan, PLD.. is just... yea.. Don't be in denial.. im a WAR fan.. but.. you know...

Here's what I can say from a healer standpoint.

WAR > Pala through the whole game up to primals.
At that point good War > good Pala or decent War = good/decent Pala.

Only place I haven't been in is Coil, so I couldn't comment about there.

But for me, when shit happens it's time to use Lustrate, Lustrate on a bigger hp pool = more healing = equal % healed either pala or war, but the war actually does a lot more dmg.
It's not that much harder to heal a War over a Paladin, not in Titan HM, not in AK, no where up to coil is a warrior inferior to paladin.

Your healers might be inferior, to a degree that they could only keep up with low hp paladin, because they try to use wrong spells at the wrong time, but it's certainly not the tank.

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Envoyé par Snowaeth

But for me, when shit happens it's time to use Lustrate, Lustrate on a bigger hp pool = more healing = equal % healed either pala or war, but the war actually does a lot more dmg.
It's not that much harder to heal a War over a Paladin, not in Titan HM, not in AK, no where up to coil is a warrior inferior to paladin.

Your healers might be inferior, to a degree that they could only keep up with low hp paladin, because they try to use wrong spells at the wrong time, but it's certainly not the tank.

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Lustrate is equally effective with either a WAR or a PLD. The only thing that is nice for a Scholar healing a WAR is they are less likely to over-heal and make an inner beast irrelevant, because their shield will be put to good use.

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Envoyé par Snowaeth

but the war actually does a bit more dmg.

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Fixed it for you. About 5% more dmg in tanking stance

This isn't a troll post so don't take it as that but i am just curious what people were expecting when rolling a warrior. I mean i love to have wars in group with me, make my and the rest of the groups life a lot easier. But really how can you roll a warrior and expect to be able to tank like a paladin or in the same breath want the warrior to be changed or "buffed" to be like a paladin. Kind of defeats the purpose of having 2 class's then. It just seems that people got an apple and were wanting it to taste like an orange and that is just not the case. My opinion is that they are good at what they do, they are able to agro multiple mobs and control them very well.

I have a buddy i run CM with as a warrior and we have swapped off tanking and he was shocked at how much dmg compared to paladin. Its just not in the books, you guys are good at adds and OTing and that's it, unless you have 3 healers to keep you up. I am not bashing anyone or the class its just how i see it, you were made for a certain slot in the game and that is where you excel you don't excel out of that. If i rolled a warrior wanting to be a MT i would be upset also but all this hate on these boards is not going to solve your issue. Do as others have and roll a paladin if you want to MT.

Really i don't think i have seen this much hate on a forums since back in swg when nge surprised everyone (well not as bad but its building up i feel). Like i said not being a troll its just my opinion.

I think problem is end game dungeons the role of warrior. Example for the titan fight Warrior unnecessary class and risky taken dmg much more healers busy with him or healing group ? or Coil people said 2 Pal much better then warrior.. Soo its ok i do not want to be MT i dont have problem with this but SE must add something for warrior to the dungeon role ! You call warrior offtank but ppl do not need offtank at to moment ...

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Envoyé par Kuvu

This isn't a troll post so don't take it as that but i am just curious what people were expecting when rolling a warrior. I mean i love to have wars in group with me, make my and the rest of the groups life a lot easier. But really how can you roll a warrior and expect to be able to tank like a paladin or in the same breath want the warrior to be changed or "buffed" to be like a paladin. Kind of defeats the purpose of having 2 class's then. It just seems that people got an apple and were wanting it to taste like an orange and that is just not the case. My opinion is that they are good at what they do, they are able to agro multiple mobs and control them very well.

I have a buddy i run CM with as a warrior and we have swapped off tanking and he was shocked at how much dmg compared to paladin. Its just not in the books, you guys are good at adds and OTing and that's it, unless you have 3 healers to keep you up. I am not bashing anyone or the class its just how i see it, you were made for a certain slot in the game and that is where you excel you don't excel out of that. If i rolled a warrior wanting to be a MT i would be upset also but all this hate on these boards is not going to solve your issue. Do as others have and roll a paladin if you want to MT.

Really i don't think i have seen this much hate on a forums since back in swg when nge surprised everyone (well not as bad but its building up i feel). Like i said not being a troll its just my opinion.

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The point of having two classes is for different playstyles and nothing more. They should do the same thing and same job and be just as effective. For DPS classes melee should be doing way more damage then ranged but currently that is not the case and ranged is doing way more then melee and that needs to be corrected. Why you ask is because melee is taking more damage and has a bigger risk and also they have to move from AoEs.

Currently leveling a pally myself. I dont want to be the weak link in my raid. Not the type to be the underperformer and dont plan on starting now. Not to mention I want to be able to swap out tank classes dependiing on the fight anyways down the road when we are closer balanced.

I think the problem is that Paladin is too simple of a class. Everyone wanting War to be like Pld just want to dumb down the game. I would much rather they bring Pld to War level. I initially rolled Pld because I like the holy knight archetype and not because it was the "superior" tank. I'm personally considering switching to War because Pld doesn't challenge me and on top of that it doesn't "feel" like a Paladin. Just my personal opinion of course. Some people aren't looking for challenge and just want the path of least resistance and I can understand that.