Coils were NEVER intended to be available without progressing through Crystal Tower, it just got pushed because of some persisting issues that needed to be fixed. But rather than having nothing other than primals and ak, they decided to put coils in and let players bash their heads against it in frustration while they got the rest ready. lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by antiviolence
So WAR being fully capable of main tanking the highest tier of end-game content wont be enough for you if PLD is still able to mitigate more dmg? I don't see the logic in that. I can understand being upset that PLD is able to do content that you can't but if we both can, then what's the problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rios-Drakoon
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09-22-2013, 11:56 AMSephirah
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09-22-2013, 12:06 PMRios-DrakoonYou dont get itQuote:
Originally Posted by Sephirah
Yes, Warrior will be able (i hope so) to be main tank in Bahamuts Coil with Crystal Tower Equip.
But, Paladin is able NOW to be MT in Bahamuts Coil.
And that means, with Crystal Tower Equip, Paladin will be even better as MT, and fact is, PLD is less difficult to heal, that means less MP cost for healer and that mean PLD>WAR. -
09-22-2013, 12:10 PMSephirahYes, PLD will always be better at straight up taking a hit. This was how they were designed, it's what makes them a PLD. That does not mean that they are the "best" tank for all situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rios-Drakoon
If you define being the "better" tank as being able to straight up mitigate the most damage, then you need to role a PLD, because WAR was not designed that way. -
09-22-2013, 12:15 PMRios-Drakoonyou are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephirah
Paladin is designed for reduce incoming dmg
Warrior is designed to conter incoming dmg with his selfheal.
The truth is, the Selfheal is way to low to conter.
Dont get me wrong, i dont want that SE will add dmg reduce abilities to WAR, but they Need to push his selfheals. -
09-22-2013, 12:16 PMTakamorisan
I have a bad feeling about this...Dunno I'm getting the interpretation that Warriors are fine...
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09-22-2013, 12:26 PMSephirahI'd be totally fine with that. I also think what remains to be seen is how they develop content for both these tanks working together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rios-Drakoon
At the moment, the content in coils just so happens to require being able to take a harder hit. Maybe crystal tower will require higher hp pools. -
09-22-2013, 12:32 PMRios-Drakoon
ok you still dont get it.
Aslong PLD are easier to heal, solong will it always be PLD>WAR. and thats the main Problem.
I dont care if i take always 1000dmg and you only 800/600/400dmg. but at least give me the Abilities to heal me self back up.
But Bloodbath heals me for 40-80 per hit. do you think my Bloodbath, and Storms Path 100HP and Inner Beast 800hp all 13,5sec are so good like all your Defens Abilities?
the Healer feel if the PLD activate a Defense CD, but when we use Bloodbath, or Stroms Path, they dont feel a shit.
The bigger HP pool ist just nice at the Start from a fight, after a few seconds it doesnt matter. -
09-22-2013, 12:35 PMSephirahI think you misunderstood me, I was saying I'd be fine with increased selfhealing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rios-Drakoon
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09-22-2013, 12:46 PMKiteless
If what he's saying isn't concerning an as of yet unseen developer build, or unless there's some super secret technique or rotation that the entire playerbase has yet to discover yet that suddenly makes WAR viable, then something like that is a pretty good excuse for WAR players to either just switch classes, because things simply won't ever get better, or just wash our hands of this game entirely.
I can only hope he's talking about a test build. -
09-22-2013, 12:56 PMRios-Drakoonah, ok, sorry, then i really misunderstood you. so, we are clear :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sephirah