this game relies too much on instant death attacks to make endgame harder

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Originally Posted by Aedra

Had you tried Salvage or Einherjar back when cap75?

Not only there is no easy to spot warning, there's so little time frame with the worst user-friendly information given via combat text..

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This. I guess Alhanelem forgot that FFXI has ALWAYS been about avoiding damage due to being hit for ridiculous amounts. Hence the obsession with Utsusemi, invincibility temp items for Voidwatch, not to mention stupid OP (in an MMO that cares about balance) things like Perfect Defense...

Ehm, Titan doesn't really do that much unavoidable damage though, his two buster hits on the tank are about 70-80% of a respectably geared Plds health bar and stomp damage only really becomes a true issue if you allow phase 3 to drag on for too long. Everything else is avoidable regardless of how hard it hits. If you lowered plume/bomb damage he would be trivial to the point of being boring =(

There's really only so much you can do in a mmo.

Kill add
Kill color add
Hide behind X
Take debuff 1,2,3
Avoid aoe
Interact with object

So, guess they're just going with what they can use

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Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer

I really disagree on both accounts. Salvage had ways to avoid all instant-death attacks.

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It's just a different type of avoid instant dead. Tell me about it then if your WHM can't paralyna SAM/NIN tank after boss discharge within 1 second and sam tank got killed by boss since can't cast utsusemi.

Oh wait.. maybe you didn't use SAM/NIN tank for a full run and only go for last boss and use more than 6-7 ppl.

I get your point & Yes, its to over used.
A fight like Odin: Not enough DPS before time runs out = 1 hit death. would be good.
But
Demon wall Repel, i dont see any probliem with, fair warning, already in the right spot. Perfect balance!

Ifrit LAGG Hard Mode... The fetter part is so unbalanced its not funny so i hope they fix that.
(& if you need to ask what part. try it! The DPS Mage Limit break part, or need WAY BETTER than required gear if you Dont have a Mage)

Since the fights for Relic & primal weapons its safe to say it "SHOULD" be balanced for Minimum: AF+GC weapon ~ Same goes for Garuda & Titan "Should be balanced for" but we all know from experiance its not)

Garuda & Titan im sure they will monitor not who always wins but the actual different players Kill/loss ratio & adjust it according.. :rolleyes:
+ Extreme mode should be 1 hit k.o's but Elitists will spam hard mode & avoid what they asked for.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

FFXI didn't really overuse instant death attacks. even the most dangerous attacks could often be survived with enough HP / DR / etc.

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Why even bring it up? Aside from the now obligatory "this isn't FFXI" response, FFXI itself relied almost exclusively on vanilla tank and spank or kiting mechanics, and there were almost never instant death attacks because every single encounter was weighted heavily in the favor of the players as long as they could simply outlast the boss.

Without threat of instant or near-instant death, a good tank and healer set will entirely trivialize difficulty, allowing them to simply carry the entire rest of the team on their backs. Great example of this was Fafhogg back before the 60min enrage was added. All you needed was a solid tank, a bard and a white mage and you could hold him for hourrrrsssss to either push back his spawn time or simply delay until backup arrived. Could kite KB indefinitely without ever taking damage. Or how about Kirin? A decent tank could very easily kite Kirin indefinitely without ever taking damage, and a good tank could kite Kirin + 1-2 mini gods while your healer goes and raises the party. Then they all rest up and wait for weakness, then they're back in the fight. Laughably easy to recover. Where's the difficulty there?

Titan would be an absolute cakewalk if his moves were made less dangerous individually. You can already survive bombs as long as you only get hit by one, and you shouldn't ever ever ever evereverever be far enough into the outer red circle to get knocked out of the ring. Outside of Mountain Buster, the damage done to the tank is pitiful and when people are properly dodging abilities I literally spend most of my time at max MP because there's next to nothing to heal.

2 weeks into the game.

You need an imagination.

Have you ever played any Final Fantasy before?

One of the things that's always bugged me about instant kill moves is:

If you're a monster, and you value your own survival, and you have a special attack that will kill everyone, why wait til you're half dead or until some special moment to use it? Why not just kill everybody on the spot? :p

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2 weeks into the game.

You need an imagination.

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More accurately, THEY need an imagination.

You're missing the point. I'm not QQing that these exist, I"m just curious to see how others feel about it.

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Titan would be an absolute cakewalk if his moves were made less dangerous individually. You can already survive bombs as long as you only get hit by one

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Maybe the tank can survive one, but anyone else i've seen hit by them it's instant death.

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Originally Posted by Aedra

Had you tried Salvage or Einherjar back when cap75?

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Have you? Einherjar was about crowd control and Salvage was mechanic based and normal monsters were scaled to the fact you were naked for a chunk of the dungeon run. None of the bosses instant killed you unless you flat out sucked or were a taru with almost no HP lol. Now Charm...that's a different story.