Warrior / Marauder DPS definitely viable

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Originally Posted by Griffeth

Derza, having a second tank there ready to pick up the boss if the first one dies and able to pull out 170 DPS is rather amazing and very nice to have.

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You can't do 170 DPS in a setup that's also capable of serving as secondary tank. Notice in the video that the guy has like 4k HP. He'll also be unable to wear endgame tanking gear because it requires you to be WAR or PLD, and he won't be able to hold aggro at all due to being marauder instead of warrior. It's basically like a WoW fury warrior; you could taunt the mob and maybe last a few hits, but you opt out of being a tank when you build for real DPS. If you want to remain capable of tanking reasonably, you won't do more than maybe 100-120 DPS.

They really need to cut the foreplay and just make Warriors able to DPS all the way out...drop the tanking aspect, because it seems like too much of a hassle to rework the entire game to accommodate Warrior tanking.

warrior tanking is fine if they buff increased healing to 10-15% without stacks, and 25-30% with stacks or something like that

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Originally Posted by Gray_Spy

They really need to cut the foreplay and just make Warriors able to DPS all the way out...drop the tanking aspect, because it seems like too much of a hassle to rework the entire game to accommodate Warrior tanking.

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As I explained in another thread that interestingly enough was about how Warriors should be better at tanking, Warriors are a cross-over class. While it seems dumb now, they are meant to be decent at both tanking and dpsing but not great at either. one or two patches from now their role will be to fill raid spots where you need a secondary tank on boss 1, but more DPS on boss 2. Without a class like warrior you'd have to swap people out of the raid to complete it.

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Originally Posted by Anilogas

warrior tanking is fine if they buff increased healing to 10-15% without stacks, and 25-30% with stacks or something like that

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The main problem for this is let's say warrior and paladin have the same tanking effectiveness, but warrior's damage output is a lot higher than paladin's, then why would any group take a paladin in?

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Originally Posted by dragonblade369

The main problem for this is let's say warrior and paladin have the same tanking effectiveness, but warrior's damage output is a lot higher than paladin's, then why would any group take a paladin in?

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Maybe rebalance the damage aspect when Defiance is on?

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Originally Posted by Xariann

Maybe rebalance the damage aspect when Defiance is on?

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This I would not mind. If they really focused on reworking defiance, and made its real defensive skills shine through with wrath (replace steel cyclone with a good defensive skill, for example), it could end up working really well. Make Warrior a functional bulky DPS/offensive tank with Defiance off, but once it's on, Warrior can go full tank with the best of them. Perhaps throw a cooldown on the stance change. You get the ability to do both functions, but not at the same time.

It would require a fair bit of effort, essentially retooling the job's mechanics, but it would be worth it. I've only done one 8 man dungeon so far, but I felt kind of left out outside of the boss fights, when I was finally given the job of tanking adds when they popped up. It would give us something to do when we're not needed to tank the trash, or against bosses that don't have minions/minions that require tanking.

Perhaps make the skills while using defiance focus on damage mitigation through debuffing enemy attacks, to keep the focus on 'aggressive' oriented tanking (breaking bones and concussive blows to lower enemy effectiveness, etc.), while non-defiance warrior play would focus on the current standard of piss-poor damage mitigation in favour of hitting hard in order to recover hard, but with a stronger focus on offense than on tanking, with the only real tanking factors without defiance being the class's natural bulkiness and enmity generation. It would be sufficient for handling trash mobs, some adds, and DPS contribution, but wouldn't be effective for dedicated tanking.

There would still be the issue of balancing the disparity of the Warrior's versatility and utility with the Paladin, but by being forced to choose between damage and tanking, the job of balancing will at least be easier.

If you just want to DPS as a warrior, do you have to unequip the soul or is it sufficient to just cancel defiance? Also, your dps was 170-180, is that any good compared to pures? e.g. blms bards etc...

The problem with warriors is that our primary class (MAR) is also a tank...

DPS classes should be over 250 w/relic and easily over 200 with primal weapon.

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Originally Posted by Churchill

DPS classes should be over 250 w/relic and easily over 200 with primal weapon.

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Should be? Do you have any data backing this or are you just assuming based off the amount he was able to do as warrior/marauder?