Cross Bar IS NOT good!!!!!!!!!!!!

crossbar it works but it not better then 1.0.

targeting modes dont stay on the settings you set the always revert back to ALL or OTHER.

SE screwed up removing <st> macro placeholders. <tt> place holder is fail it picks random people in a fight.

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Originally Posted by indira

crossbar it works but it not better then 1.0.

targeting modes dont stay on the settings you set the always revert back to ALL or OTHER.

SE screwed up removing <st> macro placeholders. <tt> place holder is fail it picks random people in a fight.

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lol...

I honestly feel like I'm damn near dead from alcohol poisoning when I'm in FATEs for example. FATEs and trying to go after quest mobs.. are my literal bane in this game due to the controller setup.

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Originally Posted by illriginalized

No? It's two horizontal "macro" bars.. As soon as I hit X once to put the cursor on the mob I'm facing, then X again to engage (weapon drawn out), I should have the ability to scroll left/right and up/down to choose my abilities..

In your claim, I need to use the keyboard.. so the PS3 controller is left with very limited options.

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I didn't say it would work with the controller, and also saw no indication that you wanted to use the controller, so yes, if you want to use a controller, you're currently stuck with the crossbars. As far as the original bar goes, I don't see why they would bring it back. It was very tedious to use to say the least. I will say, pertaining to your remark about having many more abilities equipped, a way to cycle back through the bars with the controller instead of just forward would make it better.

Well, once they add the ability to create user mods, I'm sure some masochist will probably make the 1.0 bar again.

Of course why anyone would want that one back is beyond me, but different strokes, I guess!

As a gamer who has played a few mmos on the console, I have to somewhat agree with the OP about the cross bar. Its kinda hard to get use to. Though I am slowly getting adapted to the functions, I'd have to say if SE gave us an option to even somehow some way use a function like FFXI ...I'd be okay with that :o

it takes some slight learning sure. but eventually muscle memory starts doing all the heavy thinking for you, and you'll be fine. Remember that holding R1/LB and then pressing any face button or dpad direction will swap to another set of skills. so you can set all of your abilities into different bar sets and hotswap between them with fantastic speed and efficiency once you're used to it.

Adding to the above, are you people even using the config options SE has given you? There are more than enough options for grouping, switching and filters in passive/active mode can be freely adjusted as well. You can even cycle through 4 filter presets (when enabled) via L1+OXロ△.

The rest is personal ability to remember which combination you mapped which skill and also coordination ability to know whether you are currently holding L2/R2 or not and keeping in mind what you are currently trying to do.

Personally, I got used to it pretty quickly and can now execute almost any skill without thinking/looking where it is on my crossbar. The system is working fine and is worlds ahead of having huge travelling distances between skills on the regular bars on 1.0

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Originally Posted by DezyRavioli

This thread is incomprehensibly stupid. There's already a setting to switch between the crossbar and your standard straight-line macro lines. This game and forums are getting plagued by idiocy more and more each day. Does no one even look at the system configurations? Just go straight to the forums and begin moaning. I mean, really.

I have no trouble at all cycling through my crossbar on a controller either. I CONFIGURED mine to work as a hybrid between holding L2/R2 or just tapping it to keep it held for me. When I want to change then I just simply let go, or tap the L2/R2 again to deactivate it, then hold R1 and press up/down/left/right, or triangle/circle/square/ex to switch to whatever bar I need. I don't mean to sound condescending, but all of it is there for you. You just need to look for it.

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Do you even remember what the 1.0 bar looked like and how it functioned?

I'm trying to strictly use a controller.. It would be ridiculous to say the least, that I use a controller to move my character around and move the camera around and then hop onto the keyboard to fight mobs.

And using a keyboard/mouse sucks when it comes to moving your char + the camera simultaneously, specifically compared to a PS3 controller or a controller with joy sticks for that matter.

Derp.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Adding to the above, are you people even using the config options SE has given you? There are more than enough options for grouping, switching and filters in passive/active mode can be freely adjusted as well. You can even cycle through 4 filter presets (when enabled) via L1+OXロ△.

The rest is personal ability to remember which combination you mapped which skill and also coordination ability to know whether you are currently holding L2/R2 or not and keeping in mind what you are currently trying to do.

Personally, I got used to it pretty quickly and can now execute almost any skill without thinking/looking where it is on my crossbar. The system is working fine and is worlds ahead of having huge travelling distances between skills on the regular bars on 1.0

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Because it's stupid to have abilities on your D-Pad when you have multiple targets? Or when you have other players to sustain?

It is silly to hold down R1 press up/down/left/right or O X Square Triangle and guess about 100 times until you are able to finally memorize one of eight sets of abilities.

as was proven in the beta feedback thread regarding gamepads there is a huge percentage of people that dislike the controller setup for arr. there was such massive feedback on the issue during beta that they commented on the issue multiple times.

the setup used in arr is a love/hate relationship. you either love it or hate it. my ls is close to 50/50 supporting and disliking them. i don't see where bringing back the option to use the 1.0 setup for those that enjoyed that system would be a bad thing for the ones that enjoy the current system.

I personally love the crossbar, but what it could use is a third set of 8 (L2+R2) as at 50 with some classes it would be great to not have to switch cross bars to access skills you use on a regular basis. If I recall correct they will be adding in the future, just was not ready for launch.

As I recently switched from PS3 to PC I tied to use the keyboard (what I have used for every other MMO) and it was just strange and hard to get used to. I have started to use my ps3 controller on PC and enjoy everything again.

Point is, if you learn a game on one setup and switch to another it will be much harder to use the new system, but in time you can adjust. the best thing to do would be to level a new class on the new system to get used to it and adjust slowly (as you get more skills as you level) and then adjust for your level 50's.