Yoshida, and the translation on this, was a bit back and forth. I think he wasn't so much saying that there will be no button pressing, per se, but that "extra" (and impliedly unnecessary) button pressing he was not in favor of, and also requiring that those presses be timed. Track record for the rest of HELM is pretty good so far, so we will have to wait and see. He did, however, stress a few times that this was really about communing with nature and passing the time while waiting for others.
Yoshi-p says: "Button pressing is stressful." ....
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06-18-2013, 01:45 AMgahoo
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06-18-2013, 01:48 AMMjollnirSeriously, though, I'm wondering wth he's on about with this. Maybe it's tied into the long-awaited smartphone app, which uses GPS to determine my location, and if I actually go out to a river or coastline and chillax, it rewards me with in-game fish...Quote:
Originally Posted by gahoo
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06-18-2013, 01:50 AMHiirNoivl
As someone who saw her favorite class (BTN) dumbed down in the Alpha Videos, I understand your panic. But after I played it, I realized how much they had fixed what was wrong with the class. They lowered the button press amounts in BTN too. But it helped me realize that most of the button pressing in gathering was pointless anyway. There's no need to go through about 3 menus to gather one thing.
Fishing was great in FFXIV but it was not perfect. For example, your choice of bait had little effect on what you caught. Your stats didn't really matter either. If you had the most high in bait in the business, you would still catch things like crayfish. If you miss timed your "button press" by a split second, the fish got away and you lost your bait. And that stupid cap on how much you could catch was annoying, it wasted your bait and your time. Plus it was the slowest class to play, incredibly slow. Is it any wonder why botting was so rampant?
Based on my experience with BTN in the beta and based on the current information available here's my hope for fisher.
-Bait will go from no importance to vitally important
-Stats will be meaningful
-The amount of fish variety should bloom into the hundreds, creating a feel like Pokemon
-Sizes of fish will be recorded and rewarded.
-Weather conditions can make forecasting important to help people find the fish they need to add to their collections.
-Aquariums in housing or mounting fish Can I have it?
There are many positive routes to go with this. I know it's hard to accept now, but please be patient and have an open mind. -
06-18-2013, 01:51 AMKagatoThat's right. Let's just all stop talking about what-ifs for the fun of it because "it's pointless." You do realize that speculation is all part of the fun, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Solace
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06-18-2013, 01:56 AMColinoObviously not, but have you even read the interview? Yoshida is rather clearly stating that fishing is something you're meant to do when you've got nothing else to do and won't require any particular thought or actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obsy
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06-18-2013, 01:58 AMPreypacerI got a kick out of that statement, personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mjollnir
Trying to fool a fish into impaling itself on a sharp, metal hook is "conversation with nature"?
Sounds more like premeditated assault, or an ambush, to me lol.
However, I do like the sound of this bit...
That's very intriguing.Quote:
This is not to say we’re not thinking of other things. For example, maybe you fish up a treasure map, and that map leads to a new quest- we are planning things like that.
As though fishing may not pay off in terms of the fish themselves... but of what else you may catch along the way.
Also, it's good to see that Yoshi-P has his mind in reality regarding the RMT, how they'll find a way to get around mechanics regardless. Which tells me there's other means they'll be implementing to deal with them. -
06-18-2013, 02:18 AMPwnagraphic
I'm going to wait until phase 4 and see how it plays out before I start making judgements.
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06-18-2013, 02:35 AMObsyNot only did I read the interview, I watched it take place live! :O Please refrain from using condescension in place of an argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colino
"Clearly stating" that fishing will be less about button-mashing does not necessarily equate to lack of involvement, and because that's all that's really been revealed, it could just as easily work out that you've got a more intuitive, concise gathering mechanic than simply "press Enter five times to mine fish". We won't actually know until we get to see it/try it ourselves. Once that time comes, critiques for or against the new system would have a lot more ground to stand on than what everyone's basing assumptions right now.
Please look forward to it. :D -
06-18-2013, 02:39 AMRoaran
I imagine it will be something similar to Minecraft or the original FFXI fishing; you cast your line, wait for a hit, then grab your fish.
Fishing was heavily botted in FFXI because you could sell some fish for decent vendor gil, and then there was the moat carps.
As long as they keep vendor purchasing prices extremely low (near 0), people will only sell them on the market. So, even if RMT wanted to bot fish like crazy, they'd could only do good things for everyone by supplying cheap fish for everyone to freely purchase or not, as opposed to artificially inflating the currency and reducing the purchasing power of other players.
As to the specific topic at hand, I really just want FFXIV fishing to be like zelda fishing. I'd wait another year for that if it was necessary... but I can see why there's a place for casual fishing... and though I will always prefer more awesome fishing, Yoshi seems to think more people want it to be casual... and I can respect that. -
06-18-2013, 02:54 AMFatestormOP I agree with you on this. There are lots of threads on Fisher (which have been ignored by the dev team and the majority of the playerbase till now... if the general forum populace hadn't been ignoring us, we who have been complaining would have been trolled harder and the SE Defense Force Volunteer Brigade would have come over in greater numbers).Quote:
Originally Posted by Huh
Most fishers you find in these threads are good people, affable, patient; but now feel like we've been getting the runaround for far too long now. It's inconceivable that any battle class, for example, would not have been ready by Beta 3. The information about Fisher that Yoshida shared in this interview, is the same exact information that he shared in the English Live Letter, is the same exact information that he shared in a Letter From the Producer waaaaay back in the day.
There is no new info, and despite our hope that Yoshi and the dev team have it all well in hand, it all LOOKS very much like fishing is just the bottom of the barrel (no pun intended), and they really just can't be bothered to look at fisher until literally every other aspect of the game is finished.
Fisher isn't the favorite class of most people, and that's fine, but there are people that like it. And it's a little galling to see the game's executive producer tell gaming websites that your gathering class is going to lose an active play element, and is going to lose any money-making abilities (at least any money-making abilities "that RMT can exploit", whatever that means... RMT can exploit ANY money-making activity...). We find it a little galling that literally EVERY class from 1.0, AND every job, has gotten a COMPLETE redesign for ARR, *EXCEPT* Fisher. Fisher is the one that is going to have to wait. We wonder what the point of 'fishing for personal achievements' is, since EVERY class has their OWN class achievements. We wonder how 'a personal fishing log' is in any way special, since EVERY single class has their OWN battle/crafting/gathering log.
It's just a frustrating situation is all. No "omg this game gonna fail" or anything like that, it's just a bit frustrating and the people that did put the time (lots and lots of time) into leveling the job don't want to see it made useless.