Seeker of the Sun Nunh + Keeper of the moon

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Originally Posted by ShirKirakira

I've been thinking about this a bit, especially with the social structure of the tribes.

From a genetics standpoint, wouldn't these tribes begin to get really inbred after awhile?

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Try to think on them as a pride of Lions, usually the sons will go and join another Pride or start their own while the daughters are allowed to stay. This means there's not a lot if inbreeding and then the alpha sons can pass on their genetics far and wide; if the son is a strong alpha, it's good for the entire population as opposed to if he sat on the serengheti banging his sisters (yuck lol)

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Originally Posted by ShirKirakira

Big cities would be perfect places for these Miqo'tes to mix, and I doubt other of the races like Hyur, Lalafell, Roe, and Elezen would care if Moon and Sun cats were intermixing.

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I somehow always feel that the "general public" doesn't even care which tribe they're from and would just refer to both as Miqo'te or cat people, or even something more racist. Pretty much the same would apply to all other races, except maybe for Hyur since the difference in their physique is more notable than with other races who generally vary only in skin colour and less noticeable physical traits like ear shape, for example.

Have to admit, to this day I can't distinguish the Lalafell tribes .___. They're just. . . . Lalafell to me, and to be brutally honest, I don't think I wish to learn or pay attention to the differences >.>;;; *gets on a high stool where no angry Lalafell can reach him*

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Originally Posted by ShirKirakira

Females of both tribes would have a limited selection of males.

From a genetics standpoint, wouldn't these tribes begin to get really inbred after awhile? And can a Moon and Sun Miqo'te produce viable offspring? And how would such offspring be treated by the respective tribes? (And would be they physically healthier due to more diverse genetics?) It might not matter what we name our mixed breed Miqo'tes, if neither tribe will accept them.

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According to the lore, there is like 1 male for every 20(?) females. Which means that 19 of those females won't have a mate/children. It's natures way of controlling the population. This assumes that females only have 1 mate in life. No inbreeding should occur, most females don't have mates/children. Nature keeps enough Miqos around to mate, but not explode in population.

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Originally Posted by Lucke

According to the lore, there is like 1 male for every 20(?) females. Which means that 19 of those females won't have a mate/children. It's natures way of controlling the population. This assumes that females only have 1 mate in life. No inbreeding should occur, most females don't have mates/children. Nature keeps enough Miqos around to mate, but not explode in population.

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The way I read it was it was one male per many females, but they were more like his harem, so they would mate with all of them. A lot of the lesser males would be celibate until they could become Nunh, though some dev clarification on this would be awesome.

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Originally Posted by Nix

The way I read it was it was one male per many females, but they were more like his harem, so they would mate with all of them. A lot of the lesser males would be celibate until they could become Nunh, though some dev clarification on this would be awesome.

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(a ratio of one nunh per ten to fifty females is average)

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I think the fact that the word nunh is used in the above quote pretty much means that the male will breed with ten to fifty females, so a harem seems to be right.

One thing to note though. . . . if we take the lion tribes as an example again, not all females necessarily bear children. With lions, the females are the hunters, and to my understanding, even if more females have cubs with the alpha male, there's always a dominant female who may take it upon herself to kill the cubs of a "lesser" female in the tribe if she sees them a threat to her own offspring. The male, even though he's a killer/hunter himself usually takes the backseat to his female personal army and is mainly there to pass the strongest genes.

Now, when applied to SoS Miqo'te, it's been stated that the nunh isn't the actual alpha male, as in leader, though in a breeding sense, he is, as there may be a few tia in the same pack who are being sexually inactive (or not, depending on their sexuality I guess) who may follow the pack, hunt together and feed together forever, as they are, or until a tia in the pack takes action (either challenge the nunh, leave the pack to form his own harem or leaves the pack just cause he feels like it. . . .)

Some more dev clarification about how the Nunh and Tia thing work out would be nice.

I know in the naming conventions for Sun Miqo'tes it said there were originally 26 tribes, with a few branching off to found newer, smaller tribes. So do the current Tia males stay put with their own tribe, or do they wander constantly from tribe to tribe, hoping to oust a Nuhn males? Wandering males would spread out the gene pool. And how long does a Nunh stay in his position on average? A few years, a decade? Also, do the females stay put too, or do they wander as well?

Whatever we decide on how to name them, lets not give them a clan name of Beholders of the Twilight. Last thing we need are a bunch of kitties that run around in the day sparkling in the damn sun.

Let us think of this from a cultural perspective rather than a genetic inheritance perspective.

You've specified that the father is a nunh. This gives him a significant standing in his clan and he would lose the title if he left it. This means that the Moonkeeper mother has come to him, inside the Sunseeker societal structure.

If the child is born within that society, the society would demand the child take the father's name in accordance with their rules.

However, If the mother departed the clan before giving birth to the child, she would be able to give the child a name in accordance with her own Moonkeeper traditions.

Likewise, if the father was in fact a Tia (maybe even a former nunh) who had left Sunseeker culture when he mated with the Moonkeeper female, the mother's culture would likely again apply.

Things would get far more interesting if the father was a Moonkeeper and the mother was a Sunseeker, so neither parent would have a naming convention to pass on.

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Originally Posted by SpectreWolf

Whatever we decide on how to name them, lets not give them a clan name of Beholders of the Twilight. Last thing we need are a bunch of kitties that run around in the day sparkling in the damn sun.

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Those books took a beautiful word and made it retarded, so I think it's only fair that we try and win it back as a beautiful word. Kingdom Hearts is helping.

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Originally Posted by Catapult

Let us think of this from a cultural perspective rather than a genetic inheritance perspective.

You've specified that the father is a nunh. This gives him a significant standing in his clan and he would lose the title if he left it. This means that the Moonkeeper mother has come to him, inside the Sunseeker societal structure.

If the child is born within that society, the society would demand the child take the father's name in accordance with their rules.

However, If the mother departed the clan before giving birth to the child, she would be able to give the child a name in accordance with her own Moonkeeper traditions.

Likewise, if the father was in fact a Tia (maybe even a former nunh) who had left Sunseeker culture when he mated with the Moonkeeper female, the mother's culture would likely again apply.

Things would get far more interesting if the father was a Moonkeeper and the mother was a Sunseeker, so neither parent would have a naming convention to pass on.

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As it's been said before, the naming of such a child is on a case-by-case basis, and depends heavily on whether or not the parents want to adhere to traditions. They might opt to disregard traditions entirely, even if they're part of a major tribe.