Black Mage and Monk Should be reverted to Endwalker, for the most part

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Originally Posted by carkie

Sorry, I meant gaining mana on cast during Ice phase. Will edit OP to make that clear

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Aaaah, yeah that might make sense. It more closely emulates the old tick-gain, aye. I kinda wish they'd do more with ice phase in general (but that'd be a far bigger rework). But I agree, should return to an on-tick system or like you say, on-every-cast.

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Originally Posted by ThorinG

I think a "middle ground" can be achieved by looking into what does the timers affect and what can be refreshed, my suggestion is to bring back the Timer refresh mechanism (refreshed by all Fire/Ice spells except for Fire4/Ice4) but let it only affect the Enochian Gauge/Timer.

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Yeah, I am not against a middle ground.
I am also not against making jobs more approachable.

Things like that would be an idea instead of deleting every aspect of skill expression.

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Originally Posted by ThorinG

I think a "middle ground" can be achieved by looking into what does the timers affect and what can be refreshed, my suggestion is to bring back the Timer refresh mechanism (refreshed by all Fire/Ice spells except for Fire4/Ice4) but let it only affect the Enochian Gauge/Timer.

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I have been saying this for years now. Make Enochian the actual timer that you need to manage and always make your stance active. Tie polyglot generation and cast to your stance, and tie F4 Despair and Flare star to Enochian (like how it was pre-EW). So at least there is a fail state if you drop eno and has no way of getting it back aside from casting Fire 1. As much as I miss the timer, I do not want it back the way it was. Just losing your ability to generate polyglot if the boss decides to have a 20s cutscene mid-pull was not an enjoyable part of the job.