Please remove FF14 from my frontline roulette

Frontline actually used to pop before the daily roulette. Mostly the 8v8v8 variant (more skill based), but at peek times you saw quite a few 24v24v24 like today. It rewarded xp, but it wasn't the daily xp amount.

It's only once they added the daily and noticed that it popped all the time that Yoshi showed up on a live letter and told us they were happy that there was enough people now so they could remove the 8v8v8... Like why

Guys, this isn't "remove frontline" thread. This is "remove ff14" thread. Please stay on topic.

After the removal of the rest of the game, I propose SE rename the game to Final Fantasy Rivals, or... Final Fantasy Battlefields...or Call of Frontline (or Call of Triumph as it's the only thing that's popping ffs)
I am open to suggestions.

p.s.
My latest addition to how to make pvp great again was the personal pvp achievements suggestion. Something out of kirby air riders cookbook. (it's peak)

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Originally Posted by aereniil

Then so be it. Be it Frontline or other PvP modes, if it must be a dead or removed content by lack of players, then so be it than being so boringly unbalanced 95% of the time.
The results in question don't matter to me. Only the unfairness of having Frontline treated as an holiday center by people "who are just here for EXP/bonuses", compared to PvE fun contents. Or at the very least, make so that each team consistently gets balanced proportions of these players.

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Nah, if you have such a problem with Frontlines or PVP in general you're free to stop queuing up for it instead of asking for it to become worse/unplayble for the rest of us.
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Originally Posted by Valence

Frontline actually used to pop before the daily roulette. Mostly the 8v8v8 variant (more skill based), but at peek times you saw quite a few 24v24v24 like today. It rewarded xp, but it wasn't the daily xp amount.

It's only once they added the daily and noticed that it popped all the time that Yoshi showed up on a live letter and told us they were happy that there was enough people now so they could remove the 8v8v8... Like why

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I think that's just further proof that the developers don't take the mode THAT seriously and don't really care if players themselves try to, lol.

I've had my own history of criticism with Frontlines, from leechers or premades and of course balance, but Borderland Ruins and especially Worqor Chirteh made me realize I've been playing the mode wrong this whole time and I've accepted that this is not the mode I should be taking seriously due to all the things completely outside of my control.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Nah, if you have such a problem with Frontlines or PVP in general you're free to stop queuing up for it instead of asking for it to become worse/unplayble for the rest of us.
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I think that's just further proof that the developers don't take the mode THAT seriously and don't really care if players themselves try to, lol.

I've had my own history of criticism with Frontlines, from leechers or premades and of course balance, but Borderland Ruins and especially Worqor Chirteh made me realize I've been playing the mode wrong this whole time and I've accepted that this is not the mode I should be taking seriously due to all the things completely outside of my control.

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Sigh... If that's what the developers aim for this mode, then so be it. I'll keep spamming and playing thousands of games, hundreds per month, to get the 2-5% of the most addictively fun games and content I got from FFXIV until now (not the games won, the fun ones). At the end, only I will be able to get my own fun from the best video game I've ever played, in the best (meaning most fun) PvP content I've ever tried. Even if those "leechers" or unmotivated players must spoil our efforts.

Moreover, I kinda like the idea of adapting the rewards to only winning teams, or scaled with rank and results.

Oh my god imagine how good 8v8v8 frontline will be. Q in the middle of the night when rouletters are sleeping to get regulars in. That would be so fun.
I don't even need rewards. In fact if it cost me EXP it would actually force me to play PVE content (ew).

If anyone has game suggestions that would scratch that itch for me - i would be grateful.

I personally really enjoy the pvp especially dueling at the Den, I like that it gives incentives to play the modes and wish Crystal Conflict was a Roulette. I find it nice that wait times for these modes aren't that bad

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

I've had my own history of criticism with Frontlines, from leechers or premades and of course balance, but Borderland Ruins and especially Worqor Chirteh made me realize I've been playing the mode wrong this whole time and I've accepted that this is not the mode I should be taking seriously due to all the things completely outside of my control.

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Finally, after one of those boring one-sided victories (not all victories are boring) and ~5 games with those "bots" of "leechers" (at least, some of these games ended quickly), I had one of those thrilling most fun games : dying, killing, assists, resistance between every teams, mass fights, moving around to surprise and make the enemy panic, saving mates and being saved by heroes, using jump points to bomb with some aoes in the rear guard, Auroras making LBs rain all over the battlefield, the climax of Frontline fun !!!

That's why I keep playing Frontline on this game. And you're right on 1 point : instead of reducing the chances of popping a boring game unbalanced by unmotivated players, I should instead accept the situation and just keep repetitively playing thousands of games until my soul and body can't keep up.

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Originally Posted by aereniil

Finally, after one of those boring one-sided victories (not all victories are boring) and ~5 games with those "bots" of "leechers" (at least, some of these games ended quickly), I had one of those thrilling most fun games : dying, killing, assists, resistance between every teams, mass fights, moving around to surprise and make the enemy panic, saving mates and being saved by heroes, using jump points to bomb with some aoes in the rear guard, Auroras making LBs rain all over the battlefield, the climax of Frontline fun !!!

That's why I keep playing Frontline on this game. And you're right on 1 point : instead of reducing the chances of popping a boring game unbalanced by unmotivated players, I should instead accept the situation and just keep repetitively playing thousands of games until my soul and body can't keep up.

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Compared to Crystalline Conflict (or hell even Rival Wings), Frontlines certainly feels like it's meant to be the more chaotic "party game" PVP mode because RNG rules everything. You never know which nodes are going to pop, what rank they'll be, what Role Actions somebody brought (of if they're even using them right), what jobs people will be (and can change at spawn at any time), you can't always predict which teams (if any) have premades or slackers, shots may or may not be called (and its 50/50 if they're good calls) and all the while 72 people are running around all willy-nilly while flashy attacks are firing off all over the place. (This is pretty much THE mode they made "limited animations" for.) And again, there's no job balance in the slightest where meta comps are allowed to trivialize the mode for literally years.

One is rolling multiple dice at once, sometimes repeatedly, to the point its almost comical that others try to force it into some kind of ordered rigidness. I honestly don't think the mode was designed to be some kind of "army simulator" and for the few times where people are working in true tandem, that's a freak accident, not the intended way because it requires alignment even more perfect and synchronized then the hardest PVE content.

I think they really need to look into Frontline from the ground up, because part of the reason nobody cares or bothers to try is because the overall balance of it just absolutely sucks.

I don't think they should remove it from the roulette, but they do need to add some proper incentive for actually trying to win, as many people will also engage with Frontline (outside of the roulette) for the series rewards alone

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

...but they do need to add some proper incentive for actually trying to win, as many people will also engage with Frontline (outside of the roulette) for the series rewards alone

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I think the rewards should be based on participation. The number of tomes, XP, and crystals are determined by the number of kills, assists and claims you have.

First place, triple reward bonus. Second place, double reward bonus. Third place, normal reward bonus.

The more participation, the more rewards. The less participation, the less rewards. No participation, no rewards.