Feedback: Summoner 8.0 Job Direction & Addressing Caster Raise Tax

which is why i wanna propose redesign for both smn and rdm. the smn job fantasy i had was based on fft smn, with long cast, big summon, big dmg, big aoe. but guess what i got when i joined the game back in hw? a dot mage with chikin nugget. current smn fits better into the job fantasy but now i miss how we used to work to build up to bahamut, not just summon it every 60s.

so ya my proposal was make smn caster again, with every primal or demi summon cast as long as pct motif. make the job build up from small to big again, not bahamut then small primals. make every summons feel impactful cos u build it.

tldr; i want the job to be low skill floor so that casuals can just press glowy buttons and the job "just works", but also high skill ceiling for raiders to optimize by resource management and decision making

The flavor of the current raises , especially red mage's are a massive attraction for a lot of players. A lot of people appreciate red mage in prog and in this expansion we finally had a caster strong enough to bring instead of a second melee. This way red mage could be used without getting bullied out during prog. People were mad about how good picto is with downtime so we lost that.

I think for the role to be balanced melee needs to not outclass the selfish casters.

I honestly don’t care what final fantasy 12.56 the ultimate round the twist birth by sleep remake says SMN should be I care what 14’s lore says SMN should be

Old SMN summoned things and it justified in lore why it wasn’t a cheap knockoff rydia cosplay from spirit halloween, so therefore to me that’s instantly better than whatever modern SMN is

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Originally Posted by Reginald_Cain

The flavor of the current raises , especially red mage's are a massive attraction for a lot of players. A lot of people appreciate red mage in prog and in this expansion we finally had a caster strong enough to bring instead of a second melee. This way red mage could be used without getting bullied out during prog. People were mad about how good picto is with downtime so we lost that.

I think for the role to be balanced melee needs to not outclass the selfish casters.

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the easiest balance would be to remove raise tax and make all casters balanced again since raise tax wasnt issue pre ew. but since now the devs think raise tax is a thing then i would prefer the previously proposed changes. i prefer jobs to not get locked away cos caster dmg varies too much between pct blm and smn rdm.

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Originally Posted by Reginald_Cain

The flavor of the current raises , especially red mage's are a massive attraction for a lot of players. A lot of people appreciate red mage in prog and in this expansion we finally had a caster strong enough to bring instead of a second melee. This way red mage could be used without getting bullied out during prog. People were mad about how good picto is with downtime so we lost that.

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Plus in any even moderately well-designed RPG class system, at least 1 class per non-support role will be "support-ish". So having Rezz Mage be a spam-rezzer makes a lot of sense, it also has a (surprisingly strong!) heal, and two damage reductions.

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Originally Posted by Aoyanagi

the easiest balance would be to remove raise tax and make all casters balanced again since raise tax wasnt issue pre ew. but since now the devs think raise tax is a thing then i would prefer the previously proposed changes. i prefer jobs to not get locked away cos caster dmg varies too much between pct blm and smn rdm.

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So since it doesn't (vary too much) and they're not (getting locked away), then clearly nothing has to change, yes? As per your comment?

I don't think they're exactly locked away but in statics you'll often find people having to change for PCT BLM, as seen in FRU as the most obvious culprit. So we're obviously not to the point of FRU PCT, but it's lingering, never far.

There's already 4 SMN clears of M12 so it shouldnt be as bad, if 4 out of 100 000 can do it you can do too! Also 1 MCH clear but the game is of course perfectly balanced

We are getting Ruin V from Ruin IV and Lunar Phoenix and nothing else. And you will like it as THIS IS WHAT YALL WANTED IN EW!

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Originally Posted by Jirah

We are getting Ruin V from Ruin IV and Lunar Phoenix and nothing else. And you will like it as THIS IS WHAT YALL WANTED IN EW!

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No in a sudden twist, it'll be Lunar Ruin and Phoenix II!

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Originally Posted by Carighan

No in a sudden twist, it'll be Lunar Ruin and Phoenix II!

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Mecha-phoenix, for reasons.